https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/
The article in the link goes much, much further in detail
The article in the link goes much, much further in detail
NSA Operation Masquerades as Facebook Server to Infect Users with Malware
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Frustrated_me
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I want access to some of this cool malware.
Sho_Nuff82
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Can any politician run on a "I want to restrict the activities of the NSA" platform?
Hari Seldon
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You cannot sue the Stasi. No one will go to jail, nothing will happen. The only time our shitface politicians get mad is if they are personally hacked.
Then watch someone run a contrary campaign with "A safer America for everyone, supporting X will lead to another 9/11!!11"
GRIZZMEISTER
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Looks like Senator Rand Paul is going to in his 2016 Presidential bid.
The fact is that it's not just the NSA that's out of control, now we know that the CIA is spying on the actions of the U.S. Senate which is simply outrageous. Basically we need something like the Church Committee hearings of the 1970's to rein the Intelligence Agencies back in.
NekoFever
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Also, "What does X have to hide?"
Hari Seldon
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Yeah and then the NSA will leak the shit out of all of his personal stuff to ensure that he loses.
They can try. I know there's some legal strife between the NSA and Sprint (I think?) because of the price they set for wiretapping. In the article the Facebook rep claims to have had no knowledge of the program, so unless he's lying they might be looking for some way to cover themselves.
They won't win though
wenis said:
Little did you know Neogaf was the first site they targeted
Maybe they could make some money argument (one of the few things every politician cares about) by saying that this has negative effects on their business and perhaps even economy. Zuckerberg already complained that foreigners might now start to avoid american companies. But yeah it would probably go nowhere and the only lesson learned would be that the NSA has to be more secretive in the future
Little did you know Neogaf was the first site they targeted
Well if they're listening/reading this.... Go eat a dick NSA.
Are they allowed to do that? I thought domestic activity was off the books for the CIA.
Oh my God, did he actually say that? What a lunatic.
Nah, Lenin. But you know, it fits.
helloresolven
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This doesn't seem that bad? It seems like one tactic for the NSA to grab intel and communications from an intelligence target/asset. Isn't that their job?
Now if you tell me this is being setup and used against everyone in the fucking country, sure, that's absurd overreach. The NSA should be banned from all intelligence gathering against Americans.
But the NSA hacks foreigners and that's their job... don't we still need spies?
Now if you tell me this is being setup and used against everyone in the fucking country, sure, that's absurd overreach. The NSA should be banned from all intelligence gathering against Americans.
But the NSA hacks foreigners and that's their job... don't we still need spies?
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I wonder if that ever became a talking point they'd throw GCHQ or one of the other cooperating agencies under the bus.
GRIZZMEISTER
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It's against the law for the CIA to spy within the U.S. but since that agency is as lawless as the NSA they do as they please.
People keep being outraged by the NSA's actions but nobody is demanding action to rein the agency in. Doesn't all this call for an emergency session of Congress?
That's why some of this outrage drives me nuts. The domestic stuff is bad. But gathering intelligence on foreigners is the agency's raison d'etre. It's what we pay them to do. It's what every intelligence agency on Earth is paid to do.
If you must have spies, then do it decently and don't let anyone to know. What you don't know doesn't piss you off.
America is spreading " democracy" trough the world but if those other countries want some privacy its irking you out. How so?
Well the question here is whether discretion is ever an issue when it comes to spying and privacy. When we're gathering intelligence on foreign targets, do we have credible leads on them that make them a high-profile target, or are we just casting as many nets as we can to catch whatever? Cause such a tactic would probably have significant diplomatic consequences, as well as being a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Several of our allies have had senior members that found out they were being targeted. I don't know if terrorism is a credible excuse at that point.
Also thinking globally now, do innocent individuals abroad not have the right to any sort of privacy? Sure, spying has been around forever and will be around for forevers more, but should we completely throw the book away and invade everyone's privacy? Sure, you say the domestic stuff is bad, but if an outside power were doing the same to us, would they be in the right? Or is it purely an every country for themselves sorta dealie?
iNvid02 said:
No joke, once I got this message from Avast when I turned my computer on
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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This is within the realm of possibility...
ok, I believe it.
ok, I believe it.
No joke, once I got this message from Avast when I turned my computer on
I bet NSA is behind that offer. What better way to sneak malware in?
GRIZZMEISTER
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I have a little bit of inside knowledge about the NSA and I can assure you all that their domestic spying is much more out of hand than has been reported so far. I'm hoping Glenn Greenwald has the courage to go all the way with his reporting.
Crazier than we've heard? Goddamnnn
I thought remote controlling our webcams and microphones from an island of futuristic machinery was the ceiling
NullPointer
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Exactly this. And it doesn't even have to be true.
Power corrupts. Period.
But I always figured the best place to put a backdoor would be in anti-virus software itself. When will that revelation come out?
I hate to be cynical, but yeah, it kinda is every country for themselves. I'm a hippie at heart that wants one global community, but the world isn't set up for that right now. Every country wants a leg up, and it's hard to blame them for wanting that.
timetokill
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Inside knowledge, huh? Proof?
Beyond that, anybody should intuit that the NSA is doing a lot of worse stuff.
That's why they're drip-feeding the info out. They have long said bigger stuff is yet to come. I wonder if they will release the stuff that the UK is doing, which Snowden said was beyond what even the US was doing
Hi i'm Caleb
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At this point i'm not even mad. I'm impressed.
Yep. When the brits do something like this than I wouldn't put it above the NSA
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/snowden-docs-british-spies-used-sex-dirty-tricks-n23091
Insider knowledge huh, prove it. With your post history you'd be the last person they'd let near their facilities.
GRIZZMEISTER
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Here's a picture of me with noted NSA whistleblower William Binney.
For those of you who may not know who William Binney is, he was warning people about the NSA long before Edward Snowden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE
No surprise.
The NSA is tasked with global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation, and analysis of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, including intelligence from sources within US territory. It is authorized to accomplish its mission through clandestine means, including through subversion, bugging, and sabotage.
It's a spy agency. One that specializes not in human information, but the tools human use and the very communication of information itself. And it's authorized to do everything within its technical capabilities in accomplishing its mission.
The NSA is tasked with global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation, and analysis of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes, including intelligence from sources within US territory. It is authorized to accomplish its mission through clandestine means, including through subversion, bugging, and sabotage.
It's a spy agency. One that specializes not in human information, but the tools human use and the very communication of information itself. And it's authorized to do everything within its technical capabilities in accomplishing its mission.
BlueTsunami
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Here's a picture of me with noted NSA whistleblower William Binney.
For those of you who may not know who William Binney is, he was warning people about the NSA long before Edward Snowden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9-3K3rkPRE
His final remark is a good one, even now, the American public doesn't have any say in this and they, generally, haven't said anything so far. Rings true then, and now.
Eh, I wouldn't have a huge problem with this if it's only being used on legit foreign targets, but with their track record I doubt that's the case, and it's almost certainly being overused.
Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul are both pretty anti-NSA. Paul is definitely running in the Republican primaries in 2016, and Bernie Sanders recently said he's considering a run (either as an independent or in the Dem primary). Brian Schweitzer, who will likely run in the Dem primary, has also been critical of the NSA, iirc.
Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul are both pretty anti-NSA. Paul is definitely running in the Republican primaries in 2016, and Bernie Sanders recently said he's considering a run (either as an independent or in the Dem primary). Brian Schweitzer, who will likely run in the Dem primary, has also been critical of the NSA, iirc.
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