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[Rivdoric]

New driver based Nvidia Smooth motion (AMD Fluid Motion Frame equivalent) has been added to latest Nvidia Driver/App.
Unfortunately, they have decided to lock the new feature behind RTX 5000 barrier.
No explanation are given as this does not rely on AI Optical Flow.

Seems like Nvidia didn't expect that much backlash against the RTX 5000 poor value & non existent improvements and decided to artificially lock that feature.

I suppose this will make the "5070 = 4090 for $549 !"

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

This feature frankly shouldn't even exist, but it's good to see them being openly anti-consumer with it.

 

[UnrealEck]

Exactly what I thought as soon as I saw it in the driver notes.
Why is this 5000 series only?

Nvidia keep giving me reasons to dislike them.

 

[Rivdoric]

This feature frankly shouldn't even exist, but it's good to see them being openly anti-consumer with it.

It's an interesting feature if you have high FPS base to begin with. EG 60-80 fps.
1/3 frames would allow you to go from 80 fps to 120 fps at no cost.
Lossless Scaling 3.0 has a lot of good reviews.

Exactly what I thought as soon as I saw it in the driver notes.
Why is this 5000 series only?

Nvidia keep giving me reasons to dislike them.

The reasons are pretty obvious. My 2 cents is that the feature was supposed to be available for older RTX but was changed because of the poor reception of new products.

 

[Guardian Monkey]

The reasons are pretty obvious. My 2 cents is that the feature was supposed to be available for older RTX but was changed because of the poor reception of new products.

It seems likely that the decision was premeditated; companies don’t typically switch drivers at the last minute due to reviews. The reason for using the Transformer model across the entire RTX family is probably to avoid the complexity of supporting multiple DLSS paths. Additionally, making older cards entirely obsolete would likely raise questions about NVIDIA’s value proposition. Their upgrade strategy seems to closely mirror Apple's, which also maintains structured and incremental product updates.

 

[raul3d]

Why does everything these days have to be so dramatic? I think this is simply a case of allocating development resources, same as Bryan has argumented here:


This is how corporations operate. First focus on your new products and then see from there. You do not have unlimited development capabilities.

Also nothing was taken from you, your old GPU still has the exact same value as when you bought it. Would it be better for you if this feature was not added at all?

Nvidia keep giving me reasons to dislike them.

When Nvidia updated DLSS 4.0 also for older hardware, did they also give you a reason to like them or are you only looking for things to dislike them?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Why does everything these days have to be so dramatic? I think this is simply a case of allocating development resources, same as Bryan has argumented here:


This is how corporations operate. First focus on your new products and then see from there. You do not have unlimited development capabilities.

Also nothing was taken from you, your old GPU still has the exact same value as when you bought it. Would it be better for you if this feature was not added at all?

I don’t think 3000 series card owners give a flying fuck if a features exists that they can’t use.

 

[UnrealEck]

When Nvidia updated DLSS 4.0 also for older hardware, did they also give you a reason to like them or are you only looking for things to dislike them?

They update it all the time. As do their competitors. It's expected.
I also expected something that AMD have done to be open to GPU's outside of Blackwell and can't see a reason (even after looking at your post) why it's not the case.

 

[Oppoi]

I really hate that this "private members club" works so well for them.

 

[rm082e]

I really hate that this "private members club" works so well for them.

I don't think it does though. The only feature they've had recently that people have been broadly positive on that AMD and Intel don't is DLSS/DLAA. What sells 90% of Nvidia cards is their raw performance and reliability.

If AMD had cards that were as powerful at each price point, with an AI upscaler as good as DLSS, that don't sound like hairdryers, and didn't have a reputation for driver issues, they'd be selling nicely. The problem is they've almost never had a card that could check all those boxes. Either they're behind in performance, behind in features, behind in price/availability, or the cards are hot and noisy.

It's always something with AMD. It's like they're too short to reach the top shelf and they're always struggling and stretching to reach, while Nvidia is the tall person that can do it even thinking about it. We all keep hoping they'll pull it off and provide some competition, but they rarely do.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Fuck off Jensen.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Smooth Motion is NVIDIA's answer to AMD's Fluid Motion Frames

Smooth Motion appears to be a form of frame generation that PC gamers can enable in every game, similar to AMD's Fluid Motion Frames.

www.dsogaming.com

NVIDIA told DSOGaming that support for the RTX40 series GPUs will be coming in a future update.

“NVIDIA Smooth Motion is a brand-new driver technology and requires time for validation and QA across multiple products. Support for GeForce RTX 40 Series GPUs will be coming in a future update.”

 

[fersnake]

meanwhile nvidia fanboys...

 

[Rivdoric]

Smooth Motion is NVIDIA's answer to AMD's Fluid Motion Frames

Smooth Motion appears to be a form of frame generation that PC gamers can enable in every game, similar to AMD's Fluid Motion Frames.

www.dsogaming.com

NVIDIA told DSOGaming that support for the RTX40 series GPUs will be coming in a future update.

“NVIDIA Smooth Motion is a brand-new driver technology and requires time for validation and QA across multiple products. Support for GeForce RTX 40 Series GPUs will be coming in a future update.”

Yes i read that.

They probably received a lot of backlash, comments & more or less "polite" feedback on Nvidia App and decided to backpedal. People were quite angry, not even mentioning the classic Nvidia paper launch (tm).
Otherwise they would never have written the "RTX 5000 required" on this feature description.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Ah. yes. let's run DX9 games with frame gen on 5090.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Yes i read that.

They probably received a lot of backlash, comments & more or less "polite" feedback on Nvidia App and decided to backpedal. People were quite angry, not even mentioning the classic Nvidia paper launch (tm).
Otherwise they would never have written the "RTX 5000 required" on this feature description.

Or they’re simply busy implementing it in the new product and they are simple employees engineers wanting to push tech paper by paper when hardware allows, it takes a bit of time for previous hardware they have to test the implementations and maybe there was never ill intent?

None of the software suite so far is gated against older RTX cards, even the newer MFG without optical flow will eventually come.

If they wanted to gate a feature, you think angry peoples would budge the needle on anything? With the marketshare they have? Naw. Peoples screamed for old MFG and it didn’t change anything. Anyone screaming could always go and download the optical flow SDK available since Turing and see in benchmark that pre-Ada it was much less performant. Now they found a way without it. It evolves.

The software is coming in a bit hot on Blackwell. So as they make sure it’s ready for that architecture, they have to test older cards and that is not just a snap of the finger.

 

[rofif]

Why does everything these days have to be so dramatic? I think this is simply a case of allocating development resources, same as Bryan has argumented here:


This is how corporations operate. First focus on your new products and then see from there. You do not have unlimited development capabilities.

Also nothing was taken from you, your old GPU still has the exact same value as when you bought it. Would it be better for you if this feature was not added at all?


When Nvidia updated DLSS 4.0 also for older hardware, did they also give you a reason to like them or are you only looking for things to dislike them?

dramatic?
The only thing being dramatic here is how much power these monopoly corporations have.
They are the pc gaming. All of it under nvidia control.

 

[ReyBrujo]

You do not have unlimited development capabilities.

If there's a company that shouldn't worry about that is Nvidia.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Ah. yes. let's run DX9 games with frame gen on 5090.

yea for old games it make no sense

There’s still some rare use case I found personally which is also valid for AMD solution such as Star citizen which is CPU bottlenecked and will not scale whatever you throw at it. Haven’t played it for a while but I still think their multithreading is not in yet

If there's a company that shouldn't worry about that is Nvidia.

Even Blackwell software is coming in hot. We didn’t know about this feature until a few days ago.

If everything was easy then Nvidia wouldn’t be a monopoly. What’s competition doing? They’re still trying to catch up to DLSS upscaler from 5 years ago.

 

[bbeach123]

nvm