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[IbizaPocholo]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-says-dlss-4-5-dynamic-multi-frame-generation-arrives-march-31

NVIDIA has now narrowed DLSS 4.5 Dynamic Multi Frame Generation to March 31, which would put the rollout just ahead of April. That fits NVIDIA's earlier "spring" guidance, and it would move the feature forward from the April 2026 timing previously reported.

 

[MetalRain]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

I strongly disagree with this take. Strongly.

 

[mèx]

Excited to try this one out, if it works well it's going to be game changing, I hope I can stop having to deal with VRR and its quirks one day.

Still don't see value having frame gen

Motion clarity.

 

[winjer]

Excited to try this one out, if it works well it's going to be game changing, I hope I can stop having to deal with VRR and its quirks one day.


Motion clarity.

But Frame Generation ads more motion artifacts.

 

[analog_future]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

I mean you can bring 50-60fps up to 100-120fps with about the same input latency. Huge difference in motion clarity.

 

[JimmyRustler]

But Frame Generation ads more motion artifacts.

True but you can mitigate this if you enable Quality settings or almost make it a non-issue with DLAA (though latter is quite demanding on the GPU again). Overall I think it's a price worth paying.

 

[mèx]

But Frame Generation ads more motion artifacts.

Yes, but they are local and they tend to become hardly noticeable at the proper framerate you should be actually using frame gen (80 to 100 base FPS).

 

[The Cockatrice]

motion artifacts.

I played CP2077 with 3x and I noticed those artifacts even in high adrenaline gaming, but it hardly impacted the overall visuals when playing, but on the other hand the clarity was good. The positive outweighed the negative, at least for me.

 

[winjer]

True but you can mitigate this if you enable Quality settings or almost make it a non-issue with DLAA (though latter is quite demanding on the GPU again). Overall I think it's a price worth paying.

But that doesn't address the artifacts from generating new frames. It only addresses the issue of temporal upscaling artifacts.

 

[ancelotti]

For me, one of the main benefits is UE5 games. I can average around 120+ fps in Borderlands 4, but those little shader microstutters still feel awful.

Especially in single-player or gamepad games, I really don't notice a couple extra ms of latency, which is probably masked by a dozen other things in the render and input pipelines anyway.

 

[Luipadre]

Fuck yes im really excited for this one, mainly for 2x and 3x improvements

 

[Holammer]

I hope they add Multi-FG to Smooth Motion too. It doesn't have fancy motion vectors like DLSS-FG, but 480-500hz displays are becoming increasingly common and there are plenty of games [& emulators] without DLSS.

 

[Imtjnotu]

I can't do frame gen like this. The input lag alone is bad. Even using lossless scaling it's a struggle.

 

[Cumulus]

If only framegen didn`t have such a latency toll...unusable for me in most games.

 

[Kataploom]

I can't do frame gen like this. The input lag alone is bad. Even using lossless scaling it's a struggle.

Lossless scaling is horrible in terms of latency added for me, basically any other FG is leagues above it. FSR FG has been good to me in occasions like when I'm CPU limited and don't want to play around 60 when the rest of the game goes around 70 or 80, then it's good, or to make sure that the games keep the fluidity even which is better than actual frame rate and with zero perceivable input lag.

But there has been moments where it just looked bad and "fluid" isn't how I'd describe it at all, like it's a per game thing.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I've been using frame gen + PT in RE9 and it's mostly fine. The added input lag is imperceptible with reflex+. Here and there I have seen some artifacts moving the camera but nothing that would make me turn it off.

 

[Xaeroxcore666]

I have a RTX 4060 TI 16 GB, and i´ve used FG for playing 1440p max settings/DLSS Balanced or Quality on Doom The Dark Ages, Half Life RTX and Cyberpunk (in this one using PT), and i´m pretty much happy with the results. Nvidia should also bring multi FG at least 3X for 4000 series. Taking into account all the shit show they have caused with AI in industry, is the least they can do.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I can't do frame gen like this. The input lag alone is bad. Even using lossless scaling it's a struggle.

Lossless scaling is not in the same realm as Nvidia's FG. It's a post process one to begin.

FG + Reflex on Nvidia side means less latency than AMD side & by and large all consoles' equivalent input latency. Of course if your base FPS is good to begin with. It's not made to turn 15 fps into 60 fps with 4x enabled

 

[Imtjnotu]

Lossless scaling is not in the same realm as Nvidia's FG. It's a post process one to begin.

FG + Reflex on Nvidia side means less latency than AMD side & by and large all consoles' equivalent input latency. Of course if your base FPS is good to begin with. It's not made to turn 15 fps into 60 fps with 4x enabled

Wether it's FG through nvidia or lossless the input lag is still noticeable as hell. On both my 5070ti and 4080s

 

[Buggy Loop]

Wether it's FG through nvidia or lossless the input lag is still noticeable as hell. On both my 5070ti and 4080s

Do you keep Vsync on by chance? It adds massive 200-300 ms latency

 

[calistan]

I like frame generation in Flight Simulator 2024, although it seems to cause random periods of very bad screen tearing before it settles down again. People on the FS forums report the same thing, with none of the fixes working for everyone (force various kinds of vsync, set max framerate, etc).

 

[GymWolf]

Fuck yes im really excited for this one, mainly for 2x and 3x improvements

Wait a moment, series 4000 plebs like me also get improvements on their hobo 2x framegen?

 

[Luipadre]

Wait a moment, series 4000 plebs like me also get improvements on their hobo 2x framegen?

Yes. You'll get much better image quality and almost zero ingame and ui artifacts according the older previews

 

[GymWolf]

Yes. You'll get much better image quality and almost zero ingame and ui artifacts according the older previews

Fuuuck this update should have been ready 10 days before for crimson...

 

[Bojji]

Most games have decent FG implementations. But when this shit started many had absolutely broken UI and stuff.

 

[nkarafo]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

If you have a high refresh rate monitor, frame generation is a godsend. More frames = less motion blur.

But Frame Generation ads more motion artifacts.

And they are minor.

Minor artifacts > motion blur.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

I mean you can bring 50-60fps up to 100-120fps with about the same input latency. Huge difference in motion clarity.

Yeah it's a huge game changer on my 5070ti with Pathtracing DLAA on Requiem in 1440p.

Without framegen the game is choppy and a bit rough but with framegen x2 on it's super smooth not just a little but a lot more.

True but you can mitigate this if you enable Quality settings or almost make it a non-issue with DLAA (though latter is quite demanding on the GPU again). Overall I think it's a price worth paying.

Yeah have it on DLAA Pathtracing frame gen x 2 and don't notice any difference with the real deal in visual besides having a lot more fps and being way smoother. Game looks exactly the same photo realistic with or without framegen in Pathtracing DLAA in RE Requiem.

 

[seb85]

Is this only for the 50 series ?

 

[Bojji]

Is this only for the 50 series ?

Yes.

 

[daninthemix]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

Because I play at 240 FPS instead of 60 now, even on path traced games.

 

[Luipadre]

Nothing new about this from todays keynote?

 

[M.W.]

Still don't see value having frame gen, if you have enough frames you don't need more, if you don't, generating them doesn't help. But at least it's more flexible with this.

"if you don't, generating them doesn't help"

 

[IbizaPocholo]

• This video uses updated games to take advantage of PSSR 2.0 and various DLSS 4.5 settings.
• Generally speaking, DLSS 4.5 with its L mode (and even M mode) outperforms PSSR 2.0, but Sony's upscaling has closed the gap compared to its first version.
• There are exceptions, such as Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, where PSSR 2.0 performs better than DLSS.
• Some games, like Silent Hill 2, still exhibit artifacts in puddles or areas of ambient occlusion when upscaled from Performance Mode on the PS5 Pro, so it appears disabled.
• We are undoubtedly looking at the two best upscalers currently on the market, although Sony still has a ways to go to match DLSS in this and other features such as Frame Generation or Ray Reconstruction.

 

[DenchDeckard]

My only MAIN issue with framegen, and I am saying going from a base of like 50fps, Maybe 40 to 45 at a push, is that how it fucks up static 2d prompts. Like if a button prompt is on the screen and it's hovering over an NPC, it kinda stutters and looks shite.

I've not seen if 4.5 improves that?

Outside of that I can deffo spot some odd artifacts now and again but I can live with them as I find them minimal tbh. For me, the feeling of fluidity does improve the experience overall and it allows me to play Crimson Desert with ray reconstruction, which looks like the craziest shit I've seen in my life.

Worth it.

 

[Luipadre]

My only MAIN issue with framegen, and I am saying going from a base of like 50fps, Maybe 40 to 45 at a push, is that how it fucks up static 2d prompts. Like if a button prompt is on the screen and it's hovering over an NPC, it kinda stutters and looks shite.

I've not seen if 4.5 improves that?

Outside of that I can deffo spot some odd artifacts now and again but I can live with them as I find them minimal tbh. For me, the feeling of fluidity does improve the experience overall and it allows me to play Crimson Desert with ray reconstruction, which looks like the craziest shit I've seen in my life.

Worth it.

New dynamic multiframegen will improve that a lot thats coming next week.. We will get better image quality, much less artifacts, better framepacing etc. Really looking forward to it

 

[Bojji]

My only MAIN issue with framegen, and I am saying going from a base of like 50fps, Maybe 40 to 45 at a push, is that how it fucks up static 2d prompts. Like if a button prompt is on the screen and it's hovering over an NPC, it kinda stutters and looks shite.

I've not seen if 4.5 improves that?

Outside of that I can deffo spot some odd artifacts now and again but I can live with them as I find them minimal tbh. For me, the feeling of fluidity does improve the experience overall and it allows me to play Crimson Desert with ray reconstruction, which looks like the craziest shit I've seen in my life.

Worth it.

How UI behaves depends on how well FG is implemented by devs. One of the first games with FG: Immortals of Aveum was HORRIBLE with UI ghosting all the time.

 

[TrebleShot]

Frame Gen is actually magic when it works. Assasins Creed Shadows is undetectable.

if it's getting better than I'm very excited to use it. the ultimate goal is to max out my monitor and this will.definitely do it.

On AMD no , not so much.

 

[Luipadre]

Frame Gen is actually magic when it works. Assasins Creed Shadows is undetectable.

if it's getting better than I'm very excited to use it. the ultimate goal is to max out my monitor and this will.definitely do it.

On AMD no , not so much.

I have been using it in RE9, arc raiders, pragmata demo, cronos etc. Lots of titles from this and last year. 2x framagen was basically flawless in every title i played. I always turn it on now. Hopefully the new framegen will let me turn on 3x or even 4x and will get the same quality as 2x right now or even better

 

[Puscifer]

I have been using it in RE9, arc raiders, pragmata demo, cronos etc. Lots of titles from this and last year. 2x framagen was basically flawless in every title i played. I always turn it on now. Hopefully the new framegen will let me turn on 3x or even 4x and will get the same quality as 2x right now or even better

I finally made the plunge with an Oled 4K 32" monitor since the increased resolution eliminated the text fringing. And I'm all in for PT @ 240

 

[DenchDeckard]

New dynamic multiframegen will improve that a lot thats coming next week.. We will get better image quality, much less artifacts, better framepacing etc. Really looking forward to it

I hope this all ends up to be true. That would be amazing news.

 

[Lucie Goosey]

This is an awesome feature for those trying to get to 240 hz. Thank you.