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Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
Nah, still not feeling it at all.
NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]
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Nah, still not feeling it at all.
GoombaStack
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I'm starting to get excited about this. It's big enough that the display size of a back catalogue 4:3 game would be the same or almost the same as on the Wii U pad. They can do some fun things with the haptic screen if it gets third-party support. Imagine playing an adventure game like Shenmue and having to feel in the dirt for an item that has been lost, pat cats, knock bottles over.
Wow so everyone that likes the leaked controller is some fanboy that would defend literal poop?
Good way to make yourself look stupid
Cygnus X-1
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Good point. There is no handle and this is a problem. Nintendo should consider to include it in the final version.
DrROBschiz
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Honestly Im over it with regards to this goofy controller
Im far more concerned with other aspects of the NX platform
As people have pointed out. This thing could end up in a shell with buttons, support Pro Controllers so on so forth
This is just the tip of the iceberg guys
I'm not sure which rumor you mean, but if you're saying there will be a portable device, i.e. a handheld system, I absolutely expect there to be. That doesn't mean it's a hybrid, though. You're absolutely right that Nintendo has previously debunked rumors that ended up being true. But the context of this was a little different. Nintendo wasn't debnukojg anything per se, in fact that was poor word choice in a sense on my part. What happened was that, I want to say this was a year or so ago, Iwata-san specifically made it a point at an investor meeting to describe how the new systems would not be a hybrid. I'll see if I can find a quote. But Nintendo debunking a rumor in the press vs. intentionally giving misinformation to shareholders are two entirely different things, you know? I'm not saying Nintendo couldn't have changed its mind, though. And I'd gladly buy what you're describing, though if the HH docked with the console it might be mess powerful than the minimum people expect for it, in which case.that's going to turn off some fans big time.
Graphics Horse
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lol ok
At least the general NX conversation has moved on from NX being doomed because there have been no leaks.
If we assume this is the controller and real, we're certainly looking at something way more expensive than the Wii U gamepad. And that is kinda scary...
The gamepad cost about $80 to manufacture IIRC. 24$ for the screen.
A Freeform screen must not be cheap at all, at least not currently, even if we're looking at a smaller total area. Not to mention it'll likely be a higher quality screen than the one used for the gamepad.
Then we have to add up all the chips and components.
It wouldn't surprise me if this controller itself cost $100+ in the current configuration.
a transformer pad?
Tricky I Shadow
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Relax, the poop comment was obviously a joke. And chances are that you probably are a Nintendo 'fanboy' if you like the controller. Sorry if that offends you.
Starchasing
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I think Nintendo wants to go after three markets with this device:
1) Clash of Clans type of games.
2) Traditional games that do not require many buttons or powerful hardware. Games like Final Fantasy Dragon Quest or indie games.
3) Their own games
Even if the leak pix are fake, we have a good idea of what is coming. There is still room for surprises though.
They also said the wii u controller drove up the cost of the system, and that it was unappealing to the market. So, official nintendo communication would also indicate making a more expensive and equally unappealing controller to the market wouldn't make a lot of sense. If this is real it basically means nintendo has learned nothing from the failure that was the wii u.
There are many other reasons to think it's fake, evidenced throughout the thread, and elsewhere on the Internet. So stop being so dismissive at the possibility of these "leaks" being fake. It's possible you'll be eating crow once the official reveal happens, just like the rest of us.
DrROBschiz
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Well the shape and patents that were shown all lead to the idea that this thing could be a pop in device for all sorts of things
Its the Wii Mote once again
Yep.
Even if these pictures were faked, multiple rumors have indicated that the NX will come packaged with something that has a screen on it. And Japan Times was reporting the "doughnut shaped" rumor last year.
Wall Street Journal rumor
Japan Times rumor
legacyzero
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Ughh I dunno. That just looks very frustrating. The aspect and view is so jarringFigured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
boiled goose
good with gravy
An expensive gimmick controller is a bad and very risky direction. We already had the wiiu.
It means less third party support.
It means underpowered.
It means expensive.
It means less focus on features like online services.
It means continuing an increasingly disjointed and fragmented development platform.
I'm very worried that this is real..
It means less third party support.
It means underpowered.
It means expensive.
It means less focus on features like online services.
It means continuing an increasingly disjointed and fragmented development platform.
I'm very worried that this is real..
Yep.
Herb Alpert
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Yep. Anyone expecting even XBONE level of power should keep these expectations in check.
again, if this is real.
just to add here i don't feel this is real for the simple reason that it looks too sleek.
Nintendo pro cuts have, from the NES onwards, always had a slightly toy-like look to them because they identify as a toy company. This is not an insult they say this themselves.
this product looks more like a high end phone. Of course, they could well have taken a new direction in their style but it would be odd after all these years.
Nintendo pro cuts have, from the NES onwards, always had a slightly toy-like look to them because they identify as a toy company. This is not an insult they say this themselves.
this product looks more like a high end phone. Of course, they could well have taken a new direction in their style but it would be odd after all these years.
Handle would be clash the overall design, I like it as it is.
DrROBschiz
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All legitimate concerns that I have.
Agent Unknown
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So a verified/reliable source said it's real? Who was it? About 50 pages behind on the thread.
Joelstinton14
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And people generally don't know what they want until they have it.
LordRaptor
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Not necessarily - the WiiU gamepad is straight up bespoke manufacturing in every respect.
If they have an NX gamepad that is identical to an Nx handheld in form factor, shell, screen, buttons etc, and the only thing different is the internals (because a handheld would need its own GPU / CPU / RAM / Storage) then they would benefit from manufacturing economies of scale, because an Nx gamepad would just be a handheld with different (cheaper) internals
Yes, I think this ties nicely into everything we have heard about the console officially and unofficially.
This could be more than just a controller. I look at this I see something that could easily be a stand alone device that is the controller for a home system box but also just the new handheld. Truly hitting the hybrid that lots of people were thinking.
For me this is like a phone with analogue sticks rather than a controller without face buttons.
I don't think the lack of face buttons means it is dead on arrival which is what you'd think by some reactions but I'd love it to have had 2 little buttons on the bottom right but this all depends on the back and shoulder buttons.The back could have buttons which would make this criticism much weaker and their new shoulder buttons could replicate other button presses? They had some sort of new design/patent for them didn't they?
If there is no proper click-able buttons it could be a problem though. Oddly I think FPS's would be fine, but sports games and action games would obviously suffer.
Well it was never going to be anything amazing on the 3rd party front anyhow. We know SE , Bamco, Sega, capcom, Activision and possibly Ubi are on board. And if rumors are to be believed, EA wants to be on board.
If we're going by patents as it seems they are coming to tuition you'll be able ot make your NX as powerful as you want it to be with SCDs.
Expensive no doubt.
They bought a huge share in a company which specializes in Online, so I think that can be mitigated.
And they are streamlining their development process already so that doesn't seem like a strong fear.
Thnks
Could say the same for any emulated game on a screen with different dimensions. Take DS games on the Wii U pad. Admittedly, it's more "grating" when you fit a rectangular image to an oval screen.
Joelstinton14
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Well one of the criticisms of the WII U gamepad was that it looked like a Fisher Price Toy. They also know people are willing to spend money on desirable products. Perhaps they are learning.
Starchasing
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I know that quote, but it could be understood as that they were not going to release 1 machine. In my scenario they would be releasing 2 machines that just happen to work together.
You would not have to dock the handheld to the console. It would just detect it, the handheld becomes just the controller, and the console does the heavy work.
To simplify, you could buy:
1) The home console, that comes with a controller like the Wiiu controller.
2) The handheld.
3) If you buy both you get lots of benefits.
For this to work Nintendo would have to release a very underpowered home console and ditch the dual screen concept.
yep, on the most, patents are only used to protect ideas instead to make it.
But then why include the controller with the console? It would still drive up the cost of the console, as something like a pro controller is still dirt cheap comparatively. Economies of scale don't make up for a screen and expensive streaming internals in the controller, especially a fucking bleeding edge free-form display that serves zero practical purpose.
First of all, personally, i'm leaning towards fake because it mimics the patent drawings exactly. This is the biggest red flag. As if the patent drawings were made based on this, and not the other way around.
That said, IF it turns out to be real, i think it's only normal that this should be given a fair shake. Sure it doesn't look to be ideal. Ergonomics, input (buttons), wasting processing power and cost on parts of a screen you will hardly notice... but let's see how it turns out. People burned the Wiimote before knowing what it did. Hell, i think the gamepad is one of the better controllers out there and people still act like it will give you the plague.
Bots are better than you
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Yeah, but you have to keep in mind that their own games are traditional games for the vast majority.
In regards of controls, i just don't see a big difference between a Zelda U (or TP HD, or WW HD) and ... let's say Tomb Raider as another Action-Adventure.
I certainly expected innovation in control (scroll wheels, haptic feedback, maybe some Kinect like features, touch control)..
....but I'd be pretty surprised if this is the actual console controller (unless it doubles as a full handheld), purely due to the fact it'll be another Wii U situation where the console price is bumped by $100 (or more) due to the controller cost.
I just find it hard to believe that Nintendo would double down on the dual screen set-up of the Wii U ...and go with an even more expensive, screen based streaming controller as standard.
DrROBschiz
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I mean
Nintendo builds their games around what the hardware offers and give options for more tradtional games (GC adapter for Smash)
SO yeah sure games will likely be fine i guess?
So chances are people can only like the leaked controller if they are fanboys without there being the chance that they actually like it?
Is this a "real gamers would never like it" argument?
Link_enfant
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Nintendo already confirmed the NX would be unveiled at E3 2016, so even if there's a Direct before it they wouldn't talk about it at all.
Bots are better than you
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ShockingAlberto said his source "confirmed" the pictures, the word confirmed in quotation marks. I'm not sure wether this means the pictures are real, or the source confirmed that they're fake.
You mean, the size of the 3DS XL top screen, right?
I dunno. As a handheld I miss the 3D and dual screen capabilities already. Having already spent two generations with the dual screen, I feel like I'll miss it.
Although my Vita begs to differ.
Hey, anyone scale this against a Vita? Yhat would be the real test whether I'd be okay with this footprint.
Wii U had alot of company logos in its presentation, even developers interview, that didn't translate into support in the long run.
Figured this would be a good exercise. Made a quick UI animation concept:
Hear it with sound for that extra OOMPH.
- Contextual actions/buttons
- Click down on left analog stick for weapon wheel
Still dont know if i would like it, but anyway its a great mock up
Simbabbad
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If true, that's suicide. Some people favour smartphone and tablet gaming because phones and tablets are mainly used for other things they care about, while games are just a little extra. A dedicated hardware that would aim to replicate that sort of experience is geared toward horrible failure: the people who don't care about gaming won't want it because they already have what they need, and the people who care about gaming won't want it because it lacks the experience/comfort they seek.
It even makes less sense if you consider this isn't even a handheld and you're supposed to look at the TV while you use this thing. And it even makes less sense after the failure of the Wii U: why base everything on a gimmick that was widely ignored or rejected and throw all the rest out of the window? It's so mind-bogglingly idiotic I believe 90% it's fake, even without considering the aberration of the weird cropped image on the first "leak".
It'd make a little more sense if there were attachments, but what would be the upside of putting all vital input on an attachment? At least the Wiimote made sense without the nunchuk since it allowed to play games NES style, and separating the two halves of a classic controller with the nunchuk was actually a neat idea. Here, there is no upside whatsoever to a hypothetical attachment, especially since you're supposed to watch the TV, here.
Even if you think it's true and Nintendo has thought this thing inside out and it turns out it actually works, on a marketing/media/image level, they'll get completely destroyed no matter what they say. The Wii and Wii U did work (and the Wii U actually mostly plays in a completely standard way), and yet Nintendo's image still degraded because of the sent message, and it'll be worse here in an exponential way. I loved the Wii and love the Wii U, the Wii U is my only current generation console, but if this thing is real (which I really doubt it is), I'm simply not interested and will just go on playing on Steam. It's an absurd design.
I think you're probably waaay under. Sharp's tech for free form isn't cheap by any means. I'd be genuinely surprised if it wasn't more than the Wii U pad, cost wise.
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