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[HaloSon]

Yeah, people shouldn't be using Antifa symbols unless they are literally prepared to fight Nazis. This isn't a game or a fashion statement. Being part of Antifa has always carried risk of physical harm, even during more relaxed times when people just derided them as being extreme teens.

The Antifa in my area is super serious I speak with them online. If I decide to join I wont be wearing any pins or anything that will blow my cover though.

They are 100% serious about it and are armed. They stood up to the white lives matter protesters back in December.

The movement is underground but bigger than people think and is gaining members all the time.

 

[MUnited83]

The victims in no way deserve being attacked, and this is not a stealth "they asked for it" post, but I don't understand why one would have such branding unless one is willing and prepared to fight for the ideals it represents. I guess they assumed they were in safe territory, but then what's the point of the sticker?

Anyway, eff nazis.

2 against 7 isn't exactly a fair fight you can be prepared for.

 

[aeolist]

and then sometimes the internet just makes me want to end it all

 

[Count Dookkake]

2 against 7 isn't exactly a fair fight you can be prepared for.

Then stay in church if you want to preach to the choir.

 

[BlueTsunami]

The movement is underground but bigger than people think and is gaining members all the time.

With nowhere else to turn to, Democrats being mousey, the ANTIFA movement is definitely going to grow.

and then sometimes the internet just makes me want to end it all

Nazi sympathiser

 

[Kill Your Masters]

and then sometimes the internet just makes me want to end it all

Lol fucking nazi sympathisers. Would he do the same for terrorists? Any group and all.

 

[Haly]

Let's meet them in the middle. They can assault one brother scot-free and then let the other one go.

That's how we build bridges.

 

[HaloSon]

With nowhere else to turn to, Democrats being mousey, the ANTIFA movement is definitely going to grow.



Nazi sympathiser

People can dance around the movement if they want to, but IF the time comes you don't wanna be left ass out with no group to resist with. This is very real and I am exploring all my options.

 

[Nepenthe]

What is Johnathan Praeger's opinion on police brutality?

 

[Demy]

The victims in no way deserve being attacked, and this is not a stealth "they asked for it" post, but I don't understand why one would have such branding unless one is willing and prepared to fight for the ideals it represents. I guess they assumed they were in safe territory, but then what's the point of the sticker?

Anyway, eff nazis.

Ideas can be lived by and broadcasted without the preparation for violent defense. Saying this as a Buddhist, if someone likes or believes in something it doesn't require a person to be ready to fight for it. They can simply represent it and live by it if they choose.

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

and it is only working because the democrats have utterly failed to address the real problems these people face over the last 40 years.

the actual number of for-real nazis may be growing but it's still very small relatively speaking. it's a concern but i'm much more worried about various police agencies as the arm of fascist enforcement.

I'm not sure they have utterly failed. They spent two years with both houses and the presidency and they passed Obama care. That helps prevent people from going into bankruptcy because of healthcare expenses. And half the country lost their shit about jobs and still believe Obama care is bad for business.

I'm tired of low information voters getting cover because they 'believe' every scare tactic by the right. It's true that Obama and other mainstream Democrats are sympathetic to business but it's a massive stretch that Democrats have failed completely. Democrats have failed at messaging. But we can't completely blame Democrats when all of their efforts are labeled socialist.

The people need to take responsibility to know what and who they are voting for. They need to vote in every election. And they need to pay attention to simple facts. Obama care was available during all these times of economic growth.

 

[Zaru]

GAF: It's okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso
Also GAF: It's not okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso

Well what is it?

"GAF is one person" jokes aside, I didn't know the Antifa even had any presence in the USA. I guess they'll increase their efforts with Trump in power?

 

[Bold One]

and then sometimes the internet just makes me want to end it all

 

[Dopus]

GAF: It's okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso
Also GAF: It's not okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso

Well what is it?

"GAF is one person" jokes aside, I didn't know the Antifa even had any presence in the USA. I guess they'll increase their efforts with Trump in power?

One group are fascists. That's the difference.

 

[aeolist]

GAF: It's okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso
Also GAF: It's not okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso

Well what is it?

"GAF is one person" jokes aside, I didn't know the Antifa even had any presence in the USA. I guess they'll increase their efforts with Trump in power?

whether you think punching fascists is ethical or not there's a pretty obvious difference between "i'm going to hit this black guy because i don't like black guys" and "i'm going to hit this nazi because he's advocating for ethnic cleansing right in front of me"

 

[dickroach]

Yeah, people shouldn't be using Antifa symbols unless they are literally prepared to fight Nazis. This isn't a game or a fashion statement. Being part of Antifa has always carried risk of physical harm, even during more relaxed times when people just derided them as being extreme teens.

it's as much of a fashion statement as wearing a peace sign. no one should have to be "literally prepared to fight Nazis" in the US in the 21st century.

 

[BriGuy]

I loathe guns, but I feel sometime within the next four years I'll have a concealed carry permit. Either because of safety concerns or a Trump executive order mandating everyone pack heat, it's probably just a matter of time.

 

[myco666]

Yeah, people shouldn't be using Antifa symbols unless they are literally prepared to fight Nazis. This isn't a game or a fashion statement. Being part of Antifa has always carried risk of physical harm, even during more relaxed times when people just derided them as being extreme teens.

It is still just a sticker. That doesn't make you part of any group.

 

[HaloSon]

it's as much of a fashion statement as wearing a peace sign. no one should have to be "literally prepared to fight Nazis" in the US in the 21st century.

But here we are...

Some wont take it serous. That is on them. If we don't fight and resist now we never will. I'm going to do my part.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

GAF: It's okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso
Also GAF: It's not okay to be pre-emptively violent against people who are part of a group that defines itself as a threat of violence against you if they're soandso

Well what is it?

Where is that "Hitler didn't attack us, why attack Hitler?" image when I need it?

 

[radios shipping overview]

it's as much of a fashion statement as wearing a peace sign. no one should have to be "literally prepared to fight Nazis" in the US in the 21st century.

Antifa is a group that's inherently associated with violence everywhere it exists. If you adopt its name or symbols, you are associating yourself with that, and you should be committed to it. It's not a peaceful movement, nor is it one associated with standard civil disobedience like BLM.

If you want to fight Nazis non-violently, then find a different way to do it.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

Antifa is a group that's inherently associated with violence everywhere it exists. If you adopt its name or symbols, you are associating yourself with that, and you should be committed to it.

If you want to fight Nazis non-violently, then find a different way to do it.

Being part of Antifa doesn't mean you literally have to be prepared to fight a group of Nazis all the time. Especially if it's 2 vs 7.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Being part of Antifa doesn't mean you literally have to be prepared to fight a group of Nazis all the time. Especially if it's 2 vs 7.

If you're flashing gang colors or signs when there are members of an opposing gang nearby, you can expect trouble.

 

[HaloSon]

Being part of Antifa doesn't mean you literally have to be prepared to fight a group of Nazis all the time. Especially if it's 2 vs 7.

You should be prepared 24/7 to fight.

My Antifa is out LOOKING for Neo Nazis. They coming for them. Its not a game.

 

[pigeon interrupted]

The victims in no way deserve being attacked, and this is not a stealth "they asked for it" post, but I don't understand why one would have such branding unless one is willing and prepared to fight for the ideals it represents. I guess they assumed they were in safe territory, but then what's the point of the sticker?

Anyway, eff nazis.

I have a cnd/ban the bomb peace sign badge but I am in no way equipped to decommission nuclear warheads. Not even if I bumped into some outside a bar.

Spoiler

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

i'm so sick of garbage posts like this. nobody i've come across since the election has ever seriously said that neo-nazis are just worried about the economy and deserve empathy. obviously there are trump voters who are irredeemable garbage, but generalizing his entire voting bloc that way accomplishes nothing good.

there are in fact low-income white people who feel like they haven't been served by republican or democrat presidencies and guess what? they're absolutely fucking right about that. by the numbers there's not a lot of them in the trump camp, in fact it's probably a pretty small minority, but it's a group of people who CAN be reached and who live in electorally important areas.

If low-income white people side with Neo-Nazis and alt-rights more than minorities than they are one of them.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

So is Antifa a for real political movement in the modern day, or an actual gang?

 

[radios shipping overview]

So is Antifa a for real political movement in the modern day, or an actual gang?

It's kind of both, as I understand it. Sort of like anarchists that use black bloc tactics. Antifa are closely aligned.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

If you're flashing gang colors or signs when there are members of an opposing gang nearby, you can expect trouble.

I guess some people take Antifa more serious than others. I know a couple of people who are in it but I doubt they would drop anything and fight a group of Nazis all alone.

My Antifa is out LOOKING for Neo Nazis. They coming for them. Its not a game.

That is not that same thing.

 

[HaloSon]

So is Antifa a for real political movement in the modern day, or an actual gang?

Issa little bit of both if you ask me. They will do whatever is necessary and are arrested often as far I as can tell. BUT they are a group of armed resistance and that is not to be taken lightly.

 

[Peltz]

Trying to figure out where exactly this could have taken place.... I can't see anyone trying this uptown.

It's hard to see anyone trying this anywhere in town. It's pretty nuts.

Am I just completely ignorant for never hearing of Antifa prior to this thread?

 

[The Albatross]

As these scumbags continue to assert themselves, normal folks have a decision to make: ignore them in hopes they go away, or fight them like previous generations have. This is the binary decision we will all have to make, sooner or later.

I don't really think this is the binary decision we have to make. The American KKK, Skinhead, and NeoNazi movements in the past weren't put down by anarcists in rock clubs, they were put down by the FBI and the Federal Government. While there might be some romantic ideal of an 80s punk slamming a guitar into a skinhead, the truth is that "the man" put down the KKK.

 

[Haly]

The Man is filled with KKK/Neo-nazi sympathizers now I don't think we can really expect anything out of them within the next 2-4 years.

 

[LegendofJoe]

You should be prepared 24/7 to fight.

My Antifa is out LOOKING for Neo Nazis. They coming for them. Its not a game.

Instead of looking to start fights Antifa should be training to respond to threats on minorities in order to protect them. Picking random fights with pathetic white nationalist goons won't help many people. Providing terrified people a sense of protection is a better use of their time.

 

[HaloSon]

Instead of looking to start fights Antifa should be training to respond to threats on minorities in order to protect them. Picking random fights with pathetic white nationalist goons won't help many people. Providing terrified people a sense of protection is a better use of their time.

I agree with this somewhat, they are very committed to the cause so I can't knock that too much. They are trying to be proactive about it.

 

[sphagnum]

I don't really think this is the binary decision we have to make. The American KKK, Skinhead, and NeoNazi movements in the past weren't put down by anarcists in rock clubs, they were put down by the FBI and the Federal Government. While there might be some romantic ideal of an 80s punk slamming a guitar into a skinhead, the truth is that "the man" put down the KKK.

The problem is that The Man is no longer investigating white supremacists. Previous governments were racist, but they were racist within the context of a liberal-democratic framework. They didn't like the overtly white supremacist groups. Now it's different.

 

[xsarien]

Apparently this happened on the Lower East Side. I'm not calling these Nazis cowards - OK, I am - but I'd like to see them try and pull this shit up in the Bronx.

 

[Joezie]

Where is that "Hitler didn't attack us, why attack Hitler?" image when I need it?

Shitty quality like from YT but is this the one you mentioned?

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Shitty quality like from YT but is this the one you mentioned?

I actually want to know more about these women.

 

[OniBarubary]

Instead of looking to start fights Antifa should be training to respond to threats on minorities in order to protect them. Picking random fights with pathetic white nationalist goons won't help many people. Providing terrified people a sense of protection is a better use of their time.

You're basically telling them to fight cops. Or fuck up govt officials.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Shitty quality like from YT but is this the one you mentioned?

"Why not peace with Hitler" in the back. Building bridges.

 

[NHarmonic.]

i'm so sick of garbage posts like this. nobody i've come across since the election has ever seriously said that neo-nazis are just worried about the economy and deserve empathy. obviously there are trump voters who are irredeemable garbage, but generalizing his entire voting bloc that way accomplishes nothing good.

there are in fact low-income white people who feel like they haven't been served by republican or democrat presidencies and guess what? they're absolutely fucking right about that. by the numbers there's not a lot of them in the trump camp, in fact it's probably a pretty small minority, but it's a group of people who CAN be reached and who live in electorally important areas.

Lol, and they decide to vote for trump, a millionaire,liar, fascist, misogynist piece of shit hoping HE, HE OF ALL PEOPLE would solve their problems...

Fucking stupid reasoning.

 

[Forearm Star]

We must respect the fact that they think differently tho.

I really hate when people chime in with that bullshit. Seriously, why must we sit and convince people that everyone should be treated fairly and as equals!?

 

[Carpe Carnim]

I don't really think this is the binary decision we have to make. The American KKK, Skinhead, and NeoNazi movements in the past weren't put down by anarcists in rock clubs, they were put down by the FBI and the Federal Government. While there might be some romantic ideal of an 80s punk slamming a guitar into a skinhead, the truth is that "the man" put down the KKK.

The Klan of the 19th and early 20th centuries were rooted out by political will because they were an alternative power center. The Klan of the later half of the 20th century were mainly done in through Civil suits, like this one: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/20/us/black-is-handed-deed-to-offices-of-klan-group.html

With a Klan sympathizer now running DOJ it's even more vital that normal folks show up to provide pushback, and hopefully make these fascists fear for their safety.

 

[sphagnum]

I actually want to know more about these women.

You have to remember that America used to be super isolationist until after WWII, when it assumed the mantle of being the Capitalist World Police. Even after WWI the legislative branch sabotaged Wilson's attempt to get into the League of National because it was too much of a foreign entanglement that was perceived as a threat to American sovereignty. People were terrified of getting into a war in Europe, especially after WWI, the most destructive war in human history to that point. A lot of people just didn't want to send their children off to die against someone who hadn't attacked us.

Alternately, they could be fascist sympathizers since there were a ton of those as well (like the German American Bund). The failure of capitalism that caused the Great Depression led to extremist groups on both sides gaining ground.

 

[Dopus]

I actually want to know more about these women.

July 1941, New York. It was both men and women. After the Nuremberg race laws and concentration camps had been established. After the ghettos had been established. After Germany invaded Poland, Denmark, Norway, Yugoslavia and Greece. After the Battle of Britain and the invasion of the Soviet Union and during the attack on France.

This particular protest wasn't just about US involvement. It was about not providing arms to allies and just staying as far away as possible from the conflict. The United States hadn't even entered into the theatre of war until around 5 months later in December of 1941 due to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

In essence, these were Americans who believed in isolationism.

 

[LegendofJoe]

You're basically telling them to fight cops. Or fuck up govt officials.

If they want to die they could do that. Just by existing and letting people know they're out there with a mission to protect the defenseless would do a lot of good I think. I guess a historical parallel would be the Black Panthers.

And I freaking hate that stuff like this is happening. But with who Trump is, who is in power with him, and his stated goals a group like that may be necessary. God help us...

 

[HaloSon]

The problem is that The Man is no longer investigating white supremacists. Previous governments were racist, but they were racist within the context of a liberal-democratic framework. They didn't like the overtly white supremacist groups. Now it's different.

That is why people need to join resistance groups basically. The govt is not looking out for me so I will do what is necessary to survive. I know many people who are joining up refusing to become victims.

 

[victreeb3l]

and then sometimes the internet just makes me want to end it all

What a clown

The Man is filled with KKK/Neo-nazi sympathizers now I don't think we can really expect anything out of them within the next 2-4 years.

Yup.

 

[Veritigo_X]

I've got to agree with this. It seems like Antifa didn't have much presence in the US, except on the west coast, until a year or two ago, so maybe folks didn't understand the implications. And now there are well-to-do NYU and Columbia students playing at it.

They're passing out stickers at anti-Trump marches and protests going on everywhere. I was really shocked to go home and see my mom with an Antifa sticker on her phone.