NyMartin90
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Exactly everyone knew the rules going in.
Obama to hold press conference at White House on Friday
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Exactly everyone knew the rules going in.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's not about rectifying the vote, trump won legitimately, it's to ensure it never happens again.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Yeah, because the EC did a splendid job of preventing a dimwit celebrity from obtaining the highest office in the land. Let's pretend that reality isn't happening on Monday for the sake of defending a flawed system.
Clockwork5
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That what never happens again, the electoral college works as intended or the Democrats lose?
This is how I feel
Being the better person doesn't always win. And sometimes you need to win
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Frankly that someone like trump becomes president or bush gets a 2nd term.
More realistic that the EC so grossly misrepresents the popular vote.
People should just stop using Twitter, period. It's a terrible piece of shit media platform that offers almost nothing of value and actively discourages any nuance in discussion (if you can even call what goes on there discussion). Most people don't even use it, just journalists and an annoying as shit vocal minority/trolls. It's a cancer on our public discourse.
I said the same thing back during the primary when people were obsessing over Twitter and using random Twitter/social media posts to generalize entire voting blocs (e.g. the BernieBro meme). I think the obsession over what's happening on Twitter and other social media also played a big role in the shock of Trump's victory and the bubble effect people have been taking about.
Iorv3th
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Um what? Bush won the popular vote in 2004. He would have gotten the 2nd term..
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Didn't gore get 500k more votes?
Heh, Gore ran in 2000.
Phoenix RISING
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Maintaining your integrity *IS* winning.
That's not even what the EC is for. It's to keep the power distributed away from the most populated states.
CoffeeJanitor
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No it's not.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Oh nvm. Bush should never even got elected then.
DontBeThatGuy
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The people failed America.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Let's keep "winning" until the GOP makes this country an effective one party state!
Psychoward
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tell that to racial minorities, lgbt+ citizens, any poor person or the fucking climate
We need a charismatic asshole to run next time
Like Bill Maher said, we should put up Anthony Weiner
So It doesn't matter that people lose their rights, oligarchs rule in ther own benefit or the Earth keeps getting hotter as long as you keep the moral high ground, got it!
Psychoward
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The same dude who's been plagued by scandals for years? The same dude who tried to fuck a 16 year old when he was married? Yeah I'm sure that'll go over just great.
orthodoxy1095
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This has got to be a joke.
What would you do? Have a coup?
what would the republicans do if the roles were switched?
Well, considering we have a President that's accused of sexual assault, fraud, and colluding with a foreign entity...unfortunately the state of politics are I can't completely write it off, lol
Have a peaceful transition of government while bitching with impotent rage? Like they've always done when.
Edit: we don't know what the reps would exactly do in this situation. Since when do to wrongs make a right?
Thunder Monkey
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Reps have never been in this position.
It worked for the GOP.
Thunder Monkey
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We don't know what they'd do, because it's never affected that party.
Dems have won the popular vote in the last four of five elections, and won the presidency twice in the last five elections.
If a Rep gets the pop vote, they get the EC. Doesn't seem to work that way for Dems.
We can't know what they'd do under the same situation... but given what they've done when losing both? It'd be a crazy person clusterfuck.
It's kind of luck, really, that Dems are the ones to have gotten screwed both times. Much of why 538 had Obama as such a high chance to win in 538, despite a <1% poll in the lead, was the EC was heavily in his favor. Even if the poll error was substantially against him, he would likely win on electoral math.
It's too subtle to be systematically for or against one party.
I think Democratic voters are better than that. I don't want to be proven wrong.
Bill Clinton, if he were run today instead of 24 years ago, would have been completely tanked by the sexual allegations.
The standards aren't the same on both sides. For dems you need a hope and change type of charisma to stir up the base. Mind you, it doesn't matter what the policy positions of said hope and change type is, it just matters that they can give a good speech.
Pubs would vote for a literal monkey in a suit if it had an R next to its name.
I'd actually say dem voters are just as bad in a different way. And, nah, Bill would've been fine in this election simply because he's a good speaker.
benjipwns
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It's actually better than that. Every single time it's been against the Democrats. Every!
President Cleveland won the popular vote 48.6% to 47.8% but lost the EV 233-168 (20 states to 18) to Benjamin Harrison in 1888. (2.2% for Prohibition Party, 1.3% for Union Labor Party)
In 1876, Samuel J. Tilden won the popular vote 50.9% to 47.9% over Rutherford B. Hayes but lost the electoral vote when the Electoral Commission awarded all 20 disputed electoral votes to Hayes in exchange for the GOP meeting certain Democratic demands.
it's a joke, but the sad part is that if the last election is anything to go by, no one would really care about the sex stuff. no one cares.
but we need an ahole who will speak plainly and say fuck you to anyone who deserves it
Did I miss something or was this just a load of BS
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Crayon
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Look at the hazing hillary just got for bill getting his dick sucked 20 years ago. It matters deeply if it's a democrat. The republican base is the one that wields the lions share of outrage over sex, so they are free to forgive it when it suits them. Plus, right wing media noise machine one-sided affect on discourse.
Super Moop
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As a resident of NC worried about what the GOP is doing to our election system on their way out, I have to say I admire Obama even more for trying to make it a smooth transition. I don't want it to be smooth. I want Obama to make it impossible for Trump to do anything. I want him to go so far as to loosen the chair legs in the oval office so Trump literally falls on his ass on his first day.
But we can't let ourselves sink so low. We can't be the monsters the NC GOP aspires to, no matter how tempting.
But we can't let ourselves sink so low. We can't be the monsters the NC GOP aspires to, no matter how tempting.
Of course we can sink that low. Morals mean jack shit when people are having their rights taken away.
Theonik
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Obama should put a thumbpin in Trump's shoe.
Psychoward
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The GOP voters always vote R no matter what. The Democratic base is incredibly wishy-washy.
see: Bernie or Busters and any other liberal who didn't vote for Clinton because of emails or corruption or whatever
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