Obamamania verges on obsession

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MrHicks said:
man obama is lucky im sure if he asked scarlett to have sex with him she would probably do it

as would many other of his women followers
lucky bastard
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Yeah, I think so. "Whatever you want Barack, take it."
 
grandjedi6 said:
He always votes liberal. How is he moderate?
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Is this a name calling contest? Pick an issue and show me how he is not moderate. Is it that hard? I'm not trying to be difficult but you guys are just giving me conclusory allegations.
 
That article is taking the "I'm going to take it down a notch" a bit out of context since that came in response to Clinton's attacks on Obama's rhetoric, not Obama himself trying to calm down his fans' fervor.
 
There aren't exactly a lot of opportunities to vote "liberal" in the U.S. Senate. Most bills that reach the floor are either supported by the Democrats or Republicans and range between libertarian to strongly conservative to slighlty left of center. It's not like he's been casting votes for single-payer universal health care or a LBJ era progressive tax code.
 
grandjedi6 said:
He always votes liberal. How is he moderate?
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What matters is what most people believe to be moderate.

Wikipedia said:
"Moderate" is by definition a relative term, since the position considered moderate depends on the nature of the two (or more) competing ideologies that the moderates are trying to conciliate. As such, the moderates in one country often do not share the views of moderates in other countries. Even within the same country or community, the position considered "moderate" changes over time.
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speculawyer said:
Is this a name calling contest? Pick an issue and show me how he is not moderate. Is it that hard? I'm not trying to be difficult but you guys are just giving me conclusory allegations.
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Well to steal a post from Mandark he was the 10th most liberal senator last session is in favor of Affirmative action, and doesn't oppose giving licenses to illegal aliens. Is this really that much in question?

The argument of whether he is the most liberal senator in the senate is an arguable debate. The argument of how we argue which issues are "liberal" issues and their relative important of what determines a liberal or the more fashionable term progressive is also debatable. But he is clearly a liberal when it comes to voting issues that generally define the term. I think the argument only comes in when people use the term as a pejorative.
 
:lol Oh God...

Sorry... I'm just... It's hilarious that supporting drivers licenses for illegal aliens is now considered a litmus test for far-left political thinking. :lol Bloody hell.
 
grandjedi6 said:
And he constantly votes with the Democratic party on issues. Which would mean he isn't moderate
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If you claim to know what most people's stance is in the U.S.. I don't know, but then again the term itself is completely meaningless isn't it?
 
Deus Ex Machina said:
Isn't it good people are getting excited about politics again?
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no!!! politics should be boring!

yeah. this is pretty retarded.

people are excited again. and its not the first time in history that something like this has happened.. but it sure is the first time ive seen it portrayed as a negative.
 
The Sphinx said:
:lol Oh God...

Sorry... I'm just... It's hilarious that supporting drivers licenses for illegal aliens is now considered a litmus test for far-left political thinking.
:lol Bloody hell.
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Believe it or not most people don't support drivers licenses for illegal aliens so those that do are on one extreme.
 
Cooter said:
Believe it or not most people don't support drivers licenses for illegal aliens so those that do are on one extreme.
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No... They may be in a minority, but not an extreme on the political spectrum. It's a pragmatic point of view, and supporters of that position are as likely to be right-leaning business leaders as left-leaning community activists.

Unless we consider all minority views both extreme and leftist now?
 
The Sphinx said:
No... They may be in a minority, but not an extreme on the political spectrum. It's a pragmatic point of view, and supporters of that position are as likely to be right-leaning business leaders as left-leaning community activists.

Unless we consider all minority views both extreme and leftist now?
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No...The vast amount of people supporting such a measure are on the far left. Who are you trying to kid?
 
The Sphinx said:
No... They may be in a minority, but not an extreme on the political spectrum. It's a pragmatic point of view, and supporters of that position are as likely to be right-leaning business leaders as left-leaning community activists.

Unless we consider all minority views both extreme and leftist now?
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When Obama originally supported drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, alot of people were saying that Obama was taking a big risk by siding with such a far left position. Sadly, the majority do not support licenses for illegal immigrants
 
Being a zealot in regards to any person place or thing is stupid. Obama is a politician and like all politicians he isn't what he seems. There has never been a candidate from either party that is perfect or without sin.
 
The Sphinx said:
No... They may be in a minority, but not an extreme on the political spectrum. It's a pragmatic point of view, and supporters of that position are as likely to be right-leaning business leaders as left-leaning community activists.

Unless we consider all minority views both extreme and leftist now?
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I'll agree that it is far more complex than simply being liberal or conservative on many issues and that can apply to many positions from drug legalization, to border security (Although in practice of how it actually operates sometimes these issues clump to one side or the other of the political spectrum when it comes to it influencing the mainstream of the party) . Not all liberals and not all conservatives are in lock-step. Although we can agree that most Americans are not for licenses for illegals. It does occur in some states of course where it wasn't enacted by liberal lawmakers.

Barrack Obama is arguably a liberal by most measurement scales if you believe such concepts can be measured by voting records or their stances on the issue of the day. It is not a bad thing although conservatives strategy is to twist it into such a thing.
 
Cooter said:
No...The vast amount of people supporting such a measure are on the far left. Who are you trying to kid?
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Really? Poll numbers? Because as far as I can tell opposition to it spans both parties.
 
wouldn't it be funny, if Obama wins, he turns out to be the worse president in US history.

Oh, oops, Bush already won that title. both father and son. Although the son is a lil worse
 
The Sphinx said:
Really? Poll numbers? Because as far as I can tell opposition to it spans both parties.
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Nope, not a single one. You keep believing that an equal number of far-right and far-left people want illegal aliens to have drivers licenses. I couldn't care less.
 
The Wall Street Journal editorial board and people who own construction companies and meat packing plants are with him on the drivers license thing. Also country clubs.
 
Cooter said:
Nope, not a single one. You keep believing that an equal number of far-right and far-left people want illegal aliens to have drivers licenses. I couldn't care less.
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You do care or you wouldn't have responded twice.

One of the hold-out states in issuing driving permits to illegals is Utah. Not exactly a hot-bed of liberal politics.
 
The Sphinx said:
You do care or you wouldn't have responded twice.

One of the hold-out states in issuing driving permits to illegals is Utah. Not exactly a hot-bed of liberal politics.
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I don't care enough to dig up polls. If you follow American politics the answer is pretty obvious.
 
Why are we arguing the ideological breakdown of proponents and opponents of Driver Identification for immigrants?

The fact of the matter is that his entire political career is based around liberal policy. Nobody is saying it's a bad thing. Would you rather we use the term "progressive?"
 
Eric WK said:
Why are we arguing the ideological breakdown of proponents and opponents of Driver Identification for immigrants?

The fact of the matter is that his entire political career is based around liberal policy. Nobody is saying it's a bad thing. Would you rather we use the term "progressive?"
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The argument if there is any, is the argument of how liberal is he. Which is a fair debate just as it would be to argue how conservative someone is although political history makes people approach those questions completely differently. In other words there is always going to be a debate on what is the liberal approach and what is the conservative approach which gets even more confusing as politicians don't solve problems strictly based on ideological approaches.
 
Francois the Great said:
it's not complicated, really. the country has been starving for an "honest" politician who they can trust and who has the ability to speak to them like JFK did many years before, and they found the right guy in obama. the fact that he would be the first african american president adds historical significance to this election and it helps to further inspire people.
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Except JFK turned out to be an awful president...Obama...We don't know yet
 
I think we are past obsession even the Germans are taking notice.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/even_blowing_his_nose_obama_ge.html
Even blowing his nose, Obama gets applause
by John McCormick

DALLAS – It's probably safe to say that you have arrived as a politician when your audience applauds when you blow your nose.

Yes, just a day before a debate in Texas, Sen. Barack Obama has a head cold.

And about a half-hour into a speech here, the Illinois Democrat announced that he had to take a quick break. "Gotta blow my nose here for a second," Obama said.

Out came a Kleenex (or perhaps it was a hankie), and he wiped his nose.

The near-capacity audience at the Reunion Arena, which his campaign said totaled 17,000, broke out in a slightly awkward applause.
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I usually keep the TV on as I'm going to sleep, and I locked it onto CNN just because I hadn't really checked the news all day due to work.

The audience at McCain's victory speech sounded like a polite, but excited hotel ballroom. Obama's sounded like he was leading a football stadium's worth of people on a march right down Pennsylvania Ave.

I honestly think there will be riots if this man doesn't get the DNC nomination, nevermind the White House.
 
grandjedi6 said:
Alot of Obama's appeal comes from the hatred of Bush too. Obama is seen as everything Bush is not, so people look to him as a solution. If television and the internet were present in 1932, I think we'd see the same level of obsession for FDR
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Oh dear. We still haven't recovered from the damage dealt to us by the New Deal.
 
Enron said:
I said this exact same thing last night, and was ripped to shreds for it
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This was ripped to shreads too. Just not as badly as you were since this article cited evidence instead of hyperbole

ComputerNerd said:
Oh dear. We still haven't recovered from the damage dealt to us by the New Deal.
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The comparision that can be made between Obama's change message and FDR's New Deal is quite striking
 
Odrion said:
I have no problems with a energized and optimistic society.
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I'm not either, in general.

But when society is energized for growing government, that's bad. Government organizations are never more efficient than private enterprise.
 
ComputerNerd said:
I'm not either, in general.

But when society is energized for growing government, that's bad. Government organizations are never more efficient than private enterprise.
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It seems they're energized for a candidate that hasn't had this much raw charisma in a generation. Growing government? Considering that Obama's the anti-Bush, he might actually be open to pairing some of it down.
 
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