Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Hayden could play Dr. Doom.
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Toons
Member
New Canon covered this in comics. Not that different actually
Vader hired Boba yo find the guy. Boba blinds Luke temporarily then fights him but Luke is able to escape. During his search Boba comes across the name Skywalker and gives this information to Vader. Vader knew maybe a few months after esb.
Anyways, I'm late but I enjoyed the finale and I appreciate it more the more I think about it. I like Bobf but I felt it spent too much time on caps fanwank that had nothing to do with the mc. This show handled its fanservice much. Much better. It actually means something to see kenobi say that line or take that stance.
And the other stuff is pretty good too. The ending to revas story was a nice change of pace and her role has been fulfilled. Ingram did great acting in that moment and her visually resembling anakin in rots and walking in the same way was a nice touch.
The final fight is maybe my favorite duel since TLJ throne room. Very exciting and thrilling, intense, well choreographed, looked good. Some have said the shoe looks bad but honestly they used actual practical lightsabers thus time around so I appreciate it. They played with the lightning very well. Used wide shots that make the scenes feel epic.
Overall this series doesn't diminish canon at all for me. It actually made me appreciate it more which I wasn't expecting it to do
Leias bond with kenobi was touching. Qui gon gets to show up. Good stuff.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
The Critical Drinker's review is out. His reviews are some of the best, he's like a classic version of Angry Joe on steroids, except more cynical and mocking. I enjoyed it more than he did, but I found the review hilarious because of his wit, sarcasm, and he does point out the obvious glaring flaws.
Toons
Member
Absolutely hate his reviews and his annoying slurred voice gimmick. He's one of those guys that tries to shove his politics into evey review bit to an extent that he's insufferable. Also makes a ton of borderline sexist comments. I guess I can see why some like him but not for me, I fund him incredibly grating.
To each their own though.
Catphish
Member
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'd say he more calls out shows and movies that bring their personal politics into it, rather than bringing his own into it. His "the message" meme I find hilarious.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He did way more than I thought they would have for him.
But why didn’t they de-age him like they did Ewan in the flashbacks? It broke the third wall for me.
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Toons
Member
Its been a money printer for 40 years.
But.. Id prefer the spinoff be a prequel series and I have a feeling that's what they'll do. Id be ok if this is the end of the story for this villain. I cant say I founder predictable that she'd survive the show at all, but im glad they went that route and didn't just have her duel kenobi and die. I think what they went with was much more thematically sound bc it ultimately reflects on the lessons kenobi learned as well.
sol_bad
Member
The prequel movies were made to print money. Why do you think Lucas asked his artists to make hundreds of designs? And while I personally enjoy the prequels they aren't very good.
Kev Kev
Member
never heard of this guy so i clicked on video... didnt even make it 10 seconds lol.
sol_bad
Member
He comes across as very dishonest and is just chasing after the easy anti-woke money on YouTube. He basically had no presence on YouTube until he realised how easy it was to make money in his line of work.
He critiques things to high hell in "woke" shows/movies and forgives similar things in what he considers none woke shows/movies. An example being his complaint about Reva's plan relying on conveniences, which is the exact same thing that Palpatine's plan relies on, but you won't hear him complain about that.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The Critical Sphincter
I've not watched a lot of this guy but in the ones I've seen he does make legit points about the script. We should NOT be letting the showrunners and writers off the hook for these disasters. Obi-Wan fails at narrative storytelling for lots of reasons that any amateur, much less a seasoned and educated scriptwriter, should be able to articulate. How this script got greenlit, or the original film script was allowed to be bastardized into this meandering pointless atrocity, is a hallmark sign of corruption from within. Clearly there are elements at LucasArts firing on all cylinders, the SFX teams are working over time, as are the costumers and set folk when they are allowed to build stuff that won't just be made in CGI. But when the core elements are bad, the story has no point and doesn't know what it wants to say, then its just polishing a turd. Then the director and editors compound the issue with shoddy attempts to trump up failing narrative elements or set pieces never given the pre-production time to look good.
sol_bad
Member
I think Obi-Wan is a 6/10 series, the first 4 episodes pissed me off and disappointed me, Leia being captured and rescued twice was a waste of time. Ultimately it should have been a theatrical film with a big budget. Speaking of which, this show felt extremely low budget and amatuer on a technical level multiple times.
I just don't agree with how and why Critical Sphincter is criticising the show. My Reva example above and the usage of anti-woke buzzwords like "strong woman".
Mossybrew
Banned
I don't much care for this youtuber, but he does land a lot of solid blows against this garbage show, which is good to see.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Nothing more to say that hasn’t been said by someone else. Too much in this series barely makes sense, every main character does amazingly stupid things only to suddenly be awesome when the “plot” requires so. Obi- Wan going from barely managing to keep a little girl afloat to levitating more boulders that the Emperor himself ever could isn’t offensive only because Ewan is too good for this world, the guy’s charisma is ridiculous and he as Kenobi is one of the best casts of all time.
Episode 6 is quite good (with the painful exception of Reva’s final act), but having to suffer through the previous 5 episodes just for that is asking a lot.
And seriously, is it a requirement for cameramen today to have Parkinson’s? I hate shaky cam more than anything else in modern cinema, and there’s so much of that in this show.
Episode 6 is quite good (with the painful exception of Reva’s final act), but having to suffer through the previous 5 episodes just for that is asking a lot.
And seriously, is it a requirement for cameramen today to have Parkinson’s? I hate shaky cam more than anything else in modern cinema, and there’s so much of that in this show.
Romulus
Member
Yeah that's pretty much the consensus I've seen across the internet. Ep. 1-4 are pretty unnecessary or even silly with 5-6 being good to great.
For me ep. 1-5 was around the 2/10 range with ep 6 being a solid 7/10
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I'd argue that "strong woman" is more of a trope of lazy screenwriting and characterization than it is a "woke dogwhistle". A male character displaying the EXACT same qualities as Reva would be called out as an example of toxic masculinity, for example. So when I see a female character getting displayed in a certain way and I feel like they going with the "Strong woman" character type then I know how most, if not all, of her interactions are gonna go.
Granted, this is basically what I expect when I see an 80's schwarzeneggar film but he was 6'2" and 240 pounds of shredded muscle in his films, not 5'5" at best, in heels no less, and the muscle tone of a preschooler like most of the "action women" that get foisted upon us. Elsa Pataki in Interceptor was a pleasant addition to the action chick genre for while she stands to about my kneecaps she has some guns and can at least deliver a macho line with some swagger, even if her accent is so thick I need subtitles for half her dialogue. Hemsworth chose well
Ulysses 31
Member
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
This guy triggers you so much it's hilarious. He has plenty of content that talks about things he enjoys. You can critique his complaints all day but you really just come off as a bigger nerd.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Obi-Wan is a 2/10 series and I'm saying this as a huge fan of Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan
As for Reva, I Would be fine with her if she actually did some good acting in the show.
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Hezekiah
Banned
There's a reason why Critical Drinker's channel has blown up - he's able to clearly articulate the faults with a lot of the writing in shows like Kenobi. Not to mention logical fallacies that the writers want you to ignore.
Sure he bangs on about 'The Message' a lot, but that's simply a reflection of a lot of the content being produced nowadays, with Disney being at the forefront. Male characters being to made to look weak/broken/ineffective, bossed around by female characters, and a general push for them to be 'put in their place'.
He tells it as he sees it without pandering to any particular groups.
Sure he bangs on about 'The Message' a lot, but that's simply a reflection of a lot of the content being produced nowadays, with Disney being at the forefront. Male characters being to made to look weak/broken/ineffective, bossed around by female characters, and a general push for them to be 'put in their place'.
He tells it as he sees it without pandering to any particular groups.
sol_bad
Member
His group is the anti-woke, how can you not see that? His negativity only relates to media that contains minorities or women.
Aurelius
Member
He highly recommended Top Gun which has both.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I've been very tolerant with Star Wars. I've been more tolerant with Star Wars than most people have at least.
I think Andor actually looks decent here but Obi-Wan Kenobi was such a huge letdown for me that I really do feel like I want to give up on Star Wars at this point. I don't even want to resubscribe to see another Disney SW series anymore even if it's Andor.
I just think they're out and out ruining this fucking franchise. I can't understand why they took Obi-Wan Kenobi, which was originally supposed to be a movie, then decided to make it into a television show that doesn't even look as good as their other previous Star Wars television shows.
All this reeks of PR and bullshit. What I got was a show that was perhaps this s dull if not duller then Boba Fett. At least that had a cool final episode with the giant droids and those two episodes with Mandalorian. Obi-Wan Kenobi gave us nothing. Even the very end with seeing Quite Gone Gin's ghost was extremely underwhelming.
Really the only good show they had so far was the Mandalorian. That's all they've had is Man DeLorean.
I just don't think I can stick around for Star Wars anymore. Am I going to be stupid and subscribe again for Andor or Ahsoka? Maybe but I don't think I'm going to subscribe for the very first episode anymore and we'll wait two episodes in and see what the reaction is before I decide to resubscribe.
I am so disappointed right now.
I think Andor actually looks decent here but Obi-Wan Kenobi was such a huge letdown for me that I really do feel like I want to give up on Star Wars at this point. I don't even want to resubscribe to see another Disney SW series anymore even if it's Andor.
I just think they're out and out ruining this fucking franchise. I can't understand why they took Obi-Wan Kenobi, which was originally supposed to be a movie, then decided to make it into a television show that doesn't even look as good as their other previous Star Wars television shows.
All this reeks of PR and bullshit. What I got was a show that was perhaps this s dull if not duller then Boba Fett. At least that had a cool final episode with the giant droids and those two episodes with Mandalorian. Obi-Wan Kenobi gave us nothing. Even the very end with seeing Quite Gone Gin's ghost was extremely underwhelming.
Really the only good show they had so far was the Mandalorian. That's all they've had is Man DeLorean.
I just don't think I can stick around for Star Wars anymore. Am I going to be stupid and subscribe again for Andor or Ahsoka? Maybe but I don't think I'm going to subscribe for the very first episode anymore and we'll wait two episodes in and see what the reaction is before I decide to resubscribe.
I am so disappointed right now.
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sol_bad
Member
Maverick is one of my favorite films of the year (along with Everything Everywhere). But to say it contains both is a bit of a disservice, all the women and minority characters are minor or background characters with barely any screen time. And Jennifer Connelly is the typical love interest character, not a leading fighter pilot or anything.
What? Now love interests MUST be as combative and agrressive as the leads? WTF? So every real life fighter pilot married to a "normal non fighter pilot marine sniper MMA nuclear missile specialist woman" (aka virtually ALL of them) is somehow an alt-right conspiracy to trick Hollywood into not following reality?
The fameks and minorities on TGM got as much airtime, if not more, than any itlf the other pilots not named rooster and maverick. Tha k God thye didn't try to gender or race swap goises boy from the first film.
sol_bad
Member
My point is, Jennifer Connelly isn't helping drive the narrative in any way, shape or form, neither are any of the minorities. The 2 leads are white males and the female lead is just a secondary character that we have seen before in hundreds of films in the past. What I'm stating is fact, the female lead and minorities are not driving the narrative, hence it's not the best film to try and present as inclusive.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Well maybe that what makes it so great? It was refreshing to see and not everything need to have a minority or women in the lead role.
sol_bad
Member
The same script with minorities as the leads and a different movie title would still = amazing movie.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
It wouldn't have been as successful though
sol_bad
Member
That's true but it's an entirely different thing. No one was predicting Maverick to make a billion dollars though.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
You see that practically half of it comes from international markets and I wouldn't be surprised if alot of came from countries that are predominantly Asian, Indian, African, etc
killatopak
Member
Critical Drinker highly recommends Arcane. It’s full of minorities and women in the most prominent role.
Haven’t watched much of his videos but I did of Arcane since I enjoyed it as well. I’m a League player though so I may be biased on the show but last I heard the show was very popular.
Haven’t watched much of his videos but I did of Arcane since I enjoyed it as well. I’m a League player though so I may be biased on the show but last I heard the show was very popular.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I need to watch that
Hezekiah
Banned
And there's plenty of woke YouTubers you can watch too.
Also virtually all media contains women and minorities lol. He reviews mainstream TV shows and films so it's pretty hard to avoid.
Turnt
Member
It's a shame how so much of criticism, particularly on YouTube, has just become about "woke" critics and "unwoke" critics. The level of media criticism has fallen off of a cliff in recent years. The chase for views has meant the lowest common denominators are appealed to and so you end up with this shallow, simplistic stuff that doesn't provide any meaningful insight to its viewers, just tells them what they want to hear.
sol_bad
Member
I primarily watch Chris Stuckman and Dan Murrell on YouTube for reviews. They jut stick to the plot, characters and directing.
Turnt
Member
I haven't heard of them. I'll look them up later, thanks. I just find that so many critics these days don't have the knowledge of the medium to be able to talk about filmmaking elements beyond plot, so not touching on use of colour, editing, framing, sound etc. If I listen to/read a critic I want them to enrich my understanding by them drawing on a greater knowledge pool than I have to provide insight. Or if they can dig deeper into the themes to talk about what the film is actually saying rather than just detailing what happens.
Annnnnd there you have it. All people like you want is visual representation, the actual quality of the script and internal logic of the inclusion be damned.
So by your logic rooster must be of a specific minority and maverick must display a firm allegiance to a lgbt+ group in order for the film to count as inclusive?
Get the F outta here with that divisive bs! And you wonder why folks talk about a checklist for media and how it hampers creativity....
sol_bad
Member
Unfortunately they don't go in THAT deep. I don't know any Youtubers that do Unfortunately.
LOL
Did you miss the part where I said it's one of my favourite films of the year? I have no issue with the main cast being white, why would I? Just in my mind it's not an inclusive film and it doesn't have to be. Not every film needs to be.
mcjmetroid
Member
and highly recommended everything everywhere all at once.. a film WITH woman AND minorities.
I don't think he was hyped for his acting, he was hyped for nostalgia. It's JW
all over again.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Looking forward to this. Although they may like it too much.
There, FTFY. I'd say TGM tried really hard to be inclusive, having his black flight test program manager show up on an operational aircraft carrier flight deck with a green vest is a pretty clear attempt to include the character beyond his early role.
The flight team is a pretty good mix of black, Asian, Hispanic, and white, and has 2 women. How you could POSSIBLY say it isn't inclusive -enough- is beyond me. It certainly does not look like actual US Navy F/A-18 pilots. They went above and beyond to work within the established framework of what TG had set yet also give a lot of the audience some fresh and different faces to look at and perhaps be inspired to pursue a fighter pilot career.
Toons
Member
Top Gun is a film played pretty straight, but you'd have to stretch pretty far to claim it is actually inclusive or not inclusive. While the cast is 3 white guys and their amazing friends, you dont really get the sense only those characters could be the leads or that the movie is good because of that. It could've been any of them and the movie still operates.
In fact I feel the same way about kenobi. Its played pretty straight theres nothing "woke" about the show at all. Reva being a black woman is inconsequential in the plot; she could've been any race or even another species. Thats the best kind of representation to me, one that is simply a black CHARACTER not a BLACK character.
Its done much like Windu was in the prequels. Hes not there because he's black, hes there and happens to be.
In fact I feel the same way about kenobi. Its played pretty straight theres nothing "woke" about the show at all. Reva being a black woman is inconsequential in the plot; she could've been any race or even another species. Thats the best kind of representation to me, one that is simply a black CHARACTER not a BLACK character.
Its done much like Windu was in the prequels. Hes not there because he's black, hes there and happens to be.
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Hezekiah
Banned
If you look at what Critical Drinker says about Kenobi I think it's bang on the money:
- Telling a story that didn't need to be told
- Creating plotholes and inconsistencies with the original movies
- Sacrificing a good character in the process.
Instead of crafting a story consistent with his character, the writers altered his character to fit the story they wanted to tell.
People will zero in on the woke criticisms, and ignore the biggest issue with Kenobi - the writing is atrocious and there are scenes which are downright embarrassing and look like parody (hiding Leia under his coat ffs). And that's before we get to some of the acting and effects.