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I've always disliked the Matt Hardy character as he came off as a dork, but I did appreciate his in ring ability. With him getting back in shape and eventually ending up in TNA, hopefully he can be involved in an interesting storyline and resurrect his career.
It's unfortunate that he had that injury and shouldn't have delayed the surgery (apparently he did and it got worse). You can see the scar left behind on his lower abdomen on the recent pics he posted of himself up on twitter.
It's unfortunate that he had that injury and shouldn't have delayed the surgery (apparently he did and it got worse). You can see the scar left behind on his lower abdomen on the recent pics he posted of himself up on twitter.
WWE wasn't using him even when he was in shape. His whole brotherly feud with Jeff was nothing more than a way to propel Jeff into the main event scene. Since then, he just tread water until he was let go, like so many other WWE wrestlers do these days. Evan Bourne, Mark Henry, MVP, Jack Swagger, Christian, Goldust, etc. all just seem to show up for a paycheck and leave. With so little emphasis put on the IC and U.S. Titles, why not actually start some interesting midcard feuds? The feud Matt and MVP had going over the US Title was one of the best things on Smackdown for that stretch of time.
People always have an excuse for WWE ratings. They're garbage. Raw is a garbage product right now. You have a better product, you get better ratings. Simple as that. Blaming MNF and MLB Playoffs doesn't change the fact it still gets garbage ratings even during the offseasons of both sports.Guzim said:
brain_stew
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JdFoX187 said:
Last week's RAW was fantastic though.
brain_stew
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JdFoX187 said:
Plenty of great matches (Randy's botch notwithstanding) showcasing a good range of styles, some great promos, storylines progressed, no guest host BS, barely any wasteful unfunny comedy sections, and Wade closed the show immaculately. What else is it that you want out of RAW?
worldrunover
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Just finished watching Smackdown. Wow, the WWE really hates Kaval. Why though? Dude can wrestle, and he's not bad on the mic. And seriously though, who the hell is Tyler Rex?
I don't get it
People complain all the time that Rey shouldn't be beating people larger than him, they book Kaval exactly like that and people have a problem with that as well.
Even though he was a whipping boy, he did survive 5 minutes with the Big Show who is like 4x his size, and then after the grueling battle got attacked. I'm assuming they will build up on him and can see him potentially getting back on the team.
People complain all the time that Rey shouldn't be beating people larger than him, they book Kaval exactly like that and people have a problem with that as well.
Even though he was a whipping boy, he did survive 5 minutes with the Big Show who is like 4x his size, and then after the grueling battle got attacked. I'm assuming they will build up on him and can see him potentially getting back on the team.
worldrunover
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Lunchbox said:
You just described Rey Mysterio... why does he get to be a star?
worldrunover
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Penguin said:
Come on. The man lost to Chavo. CHAVO.
He brings in a Latino demographic that WWE is hooked on, and he sells masks as Lunchbox already said.worldrunover said:
It's more along the lines of Kaval doesn't get the same opportunity Rey does. No one has a problem with someone as small as Rey beating a big guy. It's when he does it constantly and makes the big guy look weak -- as Rey does. Kaval just gets destroyed each week. It's obvious creative doesn't want the indie guys getting over in WWE until they've "paid their dues." Just look at Daniel Bryan...he's getting the same damn treatment on Raw.Penguin said:
ryutaro's mama
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Lunchbox said:
OMG.
You had to remind me of that shit, didn't you?
JdFoX187 said:
And that just proves that it doesn't matter what happens during your reign. Chris Benoit had an awesome title reign... to a degree, but after he lost it was never really a threat to the title again.
Edge was made to look like a joke in his first title reign and only held it up 3 weeks, but is now a 9 times World Champion.
Let's be real here, Benoit's title reign was merely a way to say thank you for everything he did with the company. Edge's first run was merely a way to see if ratings would jump start because people were tired of Cena. And he still hasn't had what one would call a real solid run. He's a 9-time champion with how many one or two month reigns?Penguin said:
My point was the titles are losing their legitimacy when other storylines, i.e. Cena and Nexus, take precedence and the title holders get squashed on a weekly basis. I can't remember the last time Daniel Bryan was made to look strong against an opponent.
Honestly, the WWE titles haven't meant jack since they split the brand. Having two world titles/top titles is just terrible booking.
And it doesn't help they continue to book title changes almost on a cycle where it has to change hands like every 3 months.
Anyhow, ign will be streaming SvR 11 in about 40 minutes for charity.
And it doesn't help they continue to book title changes almost on a cycle where it has to change hands like every 3 months.
Anyhow, ign will be streaming SvR 11 in about 40 minutes for charity.
Keyser Soze
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Reading the last few posts, it seems we have hit the mid-month crisis part of Wrassle-Gaf again. Soon we will break out from it, although likely devolve into complete sadness until a new month begins which will bring us HOPE!
CrunchinJelly
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Let's all talk about Goldust marrying Aksana.
Dork Knight
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JdFoX187 said:
Last week? Haha! Seriously -- he looked really strong against Sheamus. Did he win? Of course not. But at least they did their best attempt to make up for the slaughtering he got the week before.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'm fascinated by the distorted reality of a fake fighter "looking strong" against someone else. Like you know it's fake and doesn't matter, but you still really care that he looks competitive against someone else. And looking strong has never been what has made the audience care about a person. It's often their gimmick or angle that gets them over.
I take guys seriously that I like anyway, whether they're losing a lot or not. I don't care if Bryan ever looks strong or not, I just care that I know he can cut a nice angry promo and wrestle well when he gets a chance to.
I take guys seriously that I like anyway, whether they're losing a lot or not. I don't care if Bryan ever looks strong or not, I just care that I know he can cut a nice angry promo and wrestle well when he gets a chance to.
spindashing
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EVERYTHING IS SHIT. SHIT. SHIT. PUSH DANIEL BRYAN AND KAVAL. PUSH SWAGGER'S EAGLE. GET REYREY OFF TV. JOHN CENA IS BANNED TOO. ALBERTO ON ALL SHOWS. DASHING! ATTITUDE ERA FTW. HHH THRUSTING INTO DEAD KATIE VICK. HEIDENREICH HAVING HIS WAY WITH MICHAEL COLE. FUCK YEAH.
Sign me up for the Aksana x Goldust club.
Sign me up for the Aksana x Goldust club.
BoboBrazil
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
If someone loses alot it kills the heat for the match. All the best matches have a hot crowd.
British Monsoon
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New NOAH! This one's a co-produced show between NOAH & Geinin (a Japanese comedian, hence some of the wacky stipulations).
NOAH & GEININ NEWS NETWORK PRO-WRESTLING EXPO
Oct., 6, 2010
Tokyo Differ Ariake
800 Fans
1. Shiozaki & Sasaki vs Sugiura & Inoue - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHVCv9mr7AY - 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1JT2Mjztek - 2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvAqZSUyyN4 - 3/3
Go Shiozaki & Kensuke Sasaki take on Takashi Sugiura & Masao Inoue in this tag match with the stipulation that 'If Takashi Sugiura Loses, Secret Mail That Was Sent To Cabaret Girl Will Be Opened To Public' - from NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
2. Sano & Suzuki vs Taniguchi & Marvin - (NOAH - 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1eV2Cm-Js8 - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QmAp56Qy-o - 2/2
Takuma Sano & Kotaro Suzuki take on Shuhei Taniguchi & Ricky Marvin in a 'Finish Hold Restriction Match' from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
3. KENTA vs Taiji Ishimori - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eZtYTn30Gk - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqN5upojfwg - 2/2
KENTA vs Taiji Ishimori, from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
4. Yoshihiro Takayama vs Genba Hirayanagi - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5YNjTlQIw - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMyanQtAs4A - 2/2
Genba Hirayanagi faces Yoshihiro Takayama in a match with the stipulation that 'If Genba Hirayanagi Loses, A Secret Video Will Be Played' - from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
5. NOAH Battle Royale - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnSFwQCQ3UM - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B71F7WMVTZg - 2/2
Participants; Go Shiozaki, Akira Taue, Yoshinari Ogawa, Yoshinobu Kanemaru, Takashi Sugiura, Kentaro Shiga, Atsushi Aoki, Mohammed Yone, Genba Hirayanagi.
A Battle Royale match from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
What's worth watching; The opening tag bout is great, as is the Finish Hold Restriction tag, and Ishimori vs KENTA is awesome, obviously.
NOAH & GEININ NEWS NETWORK PRO-WRESTLING EXPO
Oct., 6, 2010
Tokyo Differ Ariake
800 Fans
1. Shiozaki & Sasaki vs Sugiura & Inoue - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHVCv9mr7AY - 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1JT2Mjztek - 2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvAqZSUyyN4 - 3/3
Go Shiozaki & Kensuke Sasaki take on Takashi Sugiura & Masao Inoue in this tag match with the stipulation that 'If Takashi Sugiura Loses, Secret Mail That Was Sent To Cabaret Girl Will Be Opened To Public' - from NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
2. Sano & Suzuki vs Taniguchi & Marvin - (NOAH - 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1eV2Cm-Js8 - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QmAp56Qy-o - 2/2
Takuma Sano & Kotaro Suzuki take on Shuhei Taniguchi & Ricky Marvin in a 'Finish Hold Restriction Match' from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
3. KENTA vs Taiji Ishimori - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eZtYTn30Gk - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqN5upojfwg - 2/2
KENTA vs Taiji Ishimori, from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
4. Yoshihiro Takayama vs Genba Hirayanagi - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn5YNjTlQIw - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMyanQtAs4A - 2/2
Genba Hirayanagi faces Yoshihiro Takayama in a match with the stipulation that 'If Genba Hirayanagi Loses, A Secret Video Will Be Played' - from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
5. NOAH Battle Royale - (NOAH 10/06/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnSFwQCQ3UM - 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B71F7WMVTZg - 2/2
Participants; Go Shiozaki, Akira Taue, Yoshinari Ogawa, Yoshinobu Kanemaru, Takashi Sugiura, Kentaro Shiga, Atsushi Aoki, Mohammed Yone, Genba Hirayanagi.
A Battle Royale match from the NOAH & GNN Pro Wrestling Expo.
What's worth watching; The opening tag bout is great, as is the Finish Hold Restriction tag, and Ishimori vs KENTA is awesome, obviously.
spindashing
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
We are mostly watching fake fighters ... fighting in general and here we are butting heads about it all somehow. There's a joke in there somewhere, I just can't pull it out at the moment.
You do have a point. Though, I could also argue that sometimes "looking strong" does get the attention of the audience in the case of John Cena and Hulk Hogan, but I guess that can also be attributed to their respective gimmicks as the strongmen/supermen of the show.
Most of the Daniel Bryan rage stems from the fact that he is a capable wrestler/grappler/whatever you want to call it and has demonstrated such but WWE refuses to let him shine, which is what his fanbase/the internet fan-base would like for him. The burial he endured at the hands of Sheamus was the explosion point for these people, seeing someone that is recognized as being great at this craft being beat senseless for no reason at all. But, it happens. Backstage they do know that Bryan is capable of doing things, so I suppose we'll see where he stands as time goes on/if he remains with the company. As I stated before, I wonder if the reaction would have been different if it was Bryan who buried Sheamus in such a way.
Plywood said:
You have my sword.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Bryan's last two PPV matches were the highlights of the shows, and he won the US title, and his first match ever was against Jericho in a pretty epic main event for NXT. He was the last 2 along with Cena in that match where he came back against the Nexus. The guy is given plenty of chances to shine. They're putting the LeBell Lock over huge.
http://www.wwe.com/shows/nightofchampions/exclusives/lebelllockphotos/
The booking team makes dumb mistakes that kill momentum sometimes, but that's because the company sucks and we all know it and complain about it all the time. But Bryan is actually an example of being generally well-treated, pushed hard, and usually shown being a badass despite being a rookie.
http://www.wwe.com/shows/nightofchampions/exclusives/lebelllockphotos/
The booking team makes dumb mistakes that kill momentum sometimes, but that's because the company sucks and we all know it and complain about it all the time. But Bryan is actually an example of being generally well-treated, pushed hard, and usually shown being a badass despite being a rookie.
BoboBrazil
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
So explain why they have Cole go out there every week and repeatedly berate the guy throughout his matches and not put over anything he does when he hasn't shown any heel like tendencies before this?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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LOL because the angle that got Bryan over with the crowd to begin with was Bryan beating the shit out of Cole. Remember when that was the hottest angle in the WWE before the Nexus was formed?BoboBrazil said:
Cole's a heel now, bro, and it's telling that Bryan is his most-hated target. They're putting him over.
The way you guys read into shit sometimes is hilarious.
BoboBrazil
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
He can hate everything he does, but he doesn't have to go out there and call the guy a dweeb and nerd non stop every time he comes out. The angle you are talking about took place over 4 months ago and he is still doing it every time. When a guy comes out there and you are trying to make the crowd believe in him, especially when the guy is the size of Bryan, you don't need stuff constantly reminding people about his size. Does he talk about Rey Mysterio like that? Does he talk about Evan Bourne like that? No...
spindashing
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I don't know why, but I can see Daniel Bryan in a rabid wolverine-esque role. The LeBell Lock is lethal, and from what I've seen of his heel antics I think it could go great. Not saying he's a bad face, I enjoy his goofy face status. 
Wrestling fans will watch the same programs, manage to complain about the content and still watch. It's like someone drinking dirty water, complains that it tastes like shit and continue to drink the water nevertheless. I think I'm still watching just for the enjoyment and the spectacle of it all. Sure we'll get some A+ matches sometimes and I sure as hell will enjoy them, but I guess it's foolish of me to expect it 100% on WWE or TNA. If I needed that all the time, I'll just watch youtube videos of indy matches 24/7 -- or I'll get to watching the 10 episodes of ROH that I never ... get to due to it looking overwhelming. I've watched since I was in grade school and I think I'll keep doing so for awhile.
I can't even hate John Cena all that much 100%. Sure he destroys talent, etc, but a friend told me something after seeing John live. I just now discovered that my friend was a closeted wrestling fan, and I asked him who his favorite at the moment was and he told me John Cena. Typically, I told him that Cena sucked, but what he said next really made me think.
"He's one of those guys that you see really enjoys what he does out there for the people that are watching, even if they're booing him. He does a lot for his fans."
And it's true. Get on Cena all you want, but the guy is great. Of course maybe his moveset is a little too routine, but he does his job not just to do his job.
Edit: Bobo. :lol Cole's just being a heel. You do have a point, he isn't a consistent one, but he's a heel nevertheless. He does not troll just Daniel Bryan, though. I'd wish he'd be more consistent with his heel tactics, but Cole's the best announcer at the moment. King was great years ago doing the same thing, though he isn't doing much now. I'm not saying King sucks, but I do miss the JR and King dynamics that we used to get. So much chemistry they had...
Wrestling fans will watch the same programs, manage to complain about the content and still watch. It's like someone drinking dirty water, complains that it tastes like shit and continue to drink the water nevertheless. I think I'm still watching just for the enjoyment and the spectacle of it all. Sure we'll get some A+ matches sometimes and I sure as hell will enjoy them, but I guess it's foolish of me to expect it 100% on WWE or TNA. If I needed that all the time, I'll just watch youtube videos of indy matches 24/7 -- or I'll get to watching the 10 episodes of ROH that I never ... get to due to it looking overwhelming. I've watched since I was in grade school and I think I'll keep doing so for awhile.
I can't even hate John Cena all that much 100%. Sure he destroys talent, etc, but a friend told me something after seeing John live. I just now discovered that my friend was a closeted wrestling fan, and I asked him who his favorite at the moment was and he told me John Cena. Typically, I told him that Cena sucked, but what he said next really made me think.
"He's one of those guys that you see really enjoys what he does out there for the people that are watching, even if they're booing him. He does a lot for his fans."
And it's true. Get on Cena all you want, but the guy is great. Of course maybe his moveset is a little too routine, but he does his job not just to do his job.
Edit: Bobo. :lol Cole's just being a heel. You do have a point, he isn't a consistent one, but he's a heel nevertheless. He does not troll just Daniel Bryan, though. I'd wish he'd be more consistent with his heel tactics, but Cole's the best announcer at the moment. King was great years ago doing the same thing, though he isn't doing much now. I'm not saying King sucks, but I do miss the JR and King dynamics that we used to get. So much chemistry they had...
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You don't get the irony of Cole calling a guy a nerd? Even to the dumbass redneck WWE Universe mark, that storyline isn't subtle.BoboBrazil said:
And his gimmick is being a nerd. Remember when he got upset at Edge for interrupting him while he was reading? Notice the theme song he comes out to?
There's natural chemistry to Bryan and Cole's feud, that's why Cole's into ragging on the guy so much. If WWE was really burying him, they wouldn't have put the US title on him, wouldn't have brought him back so fast, wouldn't have had him have competitive matches against Jericho and Edge and Sheamus, wouldn't have had him go over Miz twice in really convincing finishes, wouldn't have had him be #1 in the Pro Poll on NXT every week, wouldn't have had him be the final 2 with Cena during that Nexus match, etc. I think Bryan has actually beaten the Miz in all 3 or 4 matches they've had together, and the Miz is the damn Money in the Bank guy that's likely to be the World Champ in the next year.
BoboBrazil said:
He does because at the moment Bryan is still not 100% over with every audience (plus hes got no real character on the main show), in WWE own sweet way they are helping it plus at Hell in the cell Cole admitted Bryan is the 'real deal', giving a nod to the guy.
BoboBrazil
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Linkified said:
Why do you think he isn't over? Cole admitted he was the real deal at the end of one match begrudgingly, then the night after he was destroyed by Sheamus and Cole was making fun of him again.
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