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[BoboBrazil]

I think Sheamus constantly squashing a supposed United States champion pisses them now not simply because he's liked by those online, but how poor booking it is. But this isn't anything new to WWE, let's not let them change and continue getting 2.9 in ratings.

Yep, it is poor booking. Apparently alot of people are accepting of poor booking now around here. Just because he is a new guy doesn't mean it is acceptable. This is the reason they are starting to get horrible ppv buys and lower house show attendance. They are failing to make new stars, because of bullshit like this.

 

[Wrekt]

Plus, seeing the reactions of you guys, Sheamus completed his job as a heel in getting such a reaction from not only the audience attending that night, but to have bent many around here out of shape for atleast over a week after it happened.
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Nobody is holding against Sheamus though. It was a dumb booking decision but nobody expects Sheamus to refuse to squash someone. He is generally well liked within the IWC and I certainly don't have a lower opinion of him because of what he was told to do.

Marks may have a higher opinion of him because he squashed the US champion. Smarks just got a lower opinion of the booking team.

 

[Wrekt]

Yep, it is poor booking. Apparently alot of people are accepting of poor booking now around here. Just because he is a new guy doesn't mean it is acceptable. This is the reason they are starting to get horrible ppv buys and lower house show attendance. They are failing to make new stars, because of bullshit like this.

Well lets be honest, Sheamus isn't exactly the grizzled veteran around the WWE. Outside of a few dinosaurs on Smackdown, the roster is still very young compared to previous years.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Apparently alot of people are accepting of poor booking now around here. Just because he is a new guy doesn't mean it is acceptable.

How in the world are you getting to this result out of what people have been saying to you?

 

[BoboBrazil]

Well lets be honest, Sheamus isn't exactly the grizzled veteran around the WWE. Outside of a few dinosaurs on Smackdown, the roster is still very young compared to previous years.

Sheamus is the only new main eventer they've created, because Vince has a hard on for an Irish champion and he is huge. The guy got a monster push from the beginning. He wasn't getting a reaction from the crowd for months, but Vince stuck by him and kept pushing him. If he did this with more wrestlers he wouldn't be having the problem of having new stars today.

 

[Wrekt]

Sheamus is the only new main eventer they've created, because Vince has a hard on for an Irish champion and he is huge. The guy got a monster push from the beginning. He wasn't getting a reaction from the crowd for months, but Vince stuck by him and kept pushing him. If he did this with more wrestlers he wouldn't be having the problem of having new stars today.

Wade Barrett is headlining a ppv for the championship next week.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

All right, apart from the usual shitty booking, it's unfair to say they haven't been making new stars.

Orton is actually over for the first time in his long, boring career. Kane is finally on top again and has heat for once.

Then in the last year, the following are now legit main eventers, get consistent heat, or are ready to break through to the main event: CM Punk, the Miz, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, and possibly Christian (though we know that's never going to happen).

Even Alberto del Rio is already a legit top heel on Smackdown already.

 

[BoboBrazil]

All right, apart from the usual shitty booking, it's unfair to say they haven't been making new stars.

Orton is actually over for the first time in his long, boring career. Kane is finally on top again and has heat for once.

Then in the last year, the following are now legit main eventers, get consistent heat, or are ready to break through to the main event: CM Punk, the Miz, Wade Barrett, Sheamus, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, and possibly Christian (though we know that's never going to happen).

Even Alberto del Rio is already a legit top heel on Smackdown already.

Let's see where these guys are in another year. My guess is the same guys will be on top with the others "ready to break through". Eventually WWE will have to do something though if ratings get bad enough.

 

[DKehoe]

Wow at the poll on the wrestling observer site:
This coming weekend, when it comes to WWE vs. UFC on PPV in North America, what do you think will be

• WWE and UFC do about the same numbers (just teasing)
• UFC does more than five times as much
• UFC does more than eight times as much
• UFC does more than ten times as much
• UFC does more than 12 times as much
• UFC does more than 14 times as much
• UFC does more than 16 times as much
• UFC does more than 50% of WWE's PPV buys in North America for the year 2010

Shows just how bad WWE PPV buyrates have gotten.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Wow at the poll on the wrestling observer site:
This coming weekend, when it comes to WWE vs. UFC on PPV in North America, what do you think will be

• WWE and UFC do about the same numbers (just teasing)
• UFC does more than five times as much
• UFC does more than eight times as much
• UFC does more than ten times as much
• UFC does more than 12 times as much
• UFC does more than 14 times as much
• UFC does more than 16 times as much
• UFC does more than 50% of WWE's PPV buys in North America for the year 2010

Shows just how bad WWE PPV buyrates have gotten.

I think there was a stat that showed Brock's last UFC PPV had a higher buyrate than WWE's entire year combined.

So 14-16 times as much or 50% of their year is totally believable.

 

[DKehoe]

I think there was a stat that showed Brock's last UFC PPV had a higher buyrate than WWE's entire year combined.

So 14-16 times as much or 50% of their year is totally believable.

Yeh if Brock does about 800,000 buys I think it was (which he should do easily) he alone will have drawn more than all the WWE PPVs with only 2 events.

 

[Forkball]

What would you rather see:

The Manimal Brock Lesnar defend his championship title which he only does once every few months

or

Tyler Reks vs. Santino

 

[spindashing]

So supposedly CM Punk went back to the bleached blonde look.

 

[bjork]

HHH jobbed non-stop for the better part of a year after the Kliq broke kayfabe at MSG. Losing hog pen matches to Henry Godwinn and feuds to Savio Vega and the like. The 'Mania match he lost to Warrior was effectively a squash.

HHH won the hog pen match, that was like dec 1995. Warrior squash was the end of HHH's undefeated streak on 3/31/96, then the MSG thing was in May.

[edit - also, keep in mind that the way they present TV now, by the time this PPV cycle ends, they expect most fans to forget the lead-up. Besides, in a year when you've seen Sheamus/Danielson happen like 35 times, will one time really stand out more than the others?]

 

[Mr. Sam]

So supposedly CM Punk went back to the bleached blonde look.

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Guy can't stick with a singular look for more than a fortnight, I swear.

 

[bjork]

Guy can't stick with a singular look for more than a fortnight, I swear.

This is good, it keeps the toy makers on their toes.

 

[Linkified]

Wow at the poll on the wrestling observer site:
This coming weekend, when it comes to WWE vs. UFC on PPV in North America, what do you think will be

• WWE and UFC do about the same numbers (just teasing)
• UFC does more than five times as much
• UFC does more than eight times as much
• UFC does more than ten times as much
• UFC does more than 12 times as much
• UFC does more than 14 times as much
• UFC does more than 16 times as much
• UFC does more than 50% of WWE's PPV buys in North America for the year 2010

Shows just how bad WWE PPV buyrates have gotten.

Actually can someone explain why instead of comparing WWE vs TNA PPV buys they keep on pairing WWE a fake sport to UFC one being a legitimate sport? Its like comparing Apples to oranges it doesn't make sense

 

[bjork]

Actually can someone explain why instead of comparing WWE vs TNA PPV buys they keep on pairing WWE a fake sport to UFC one being a legitimate sport? Its like comparing Apples to oranges it doesn't make sense

Because comparing WWE to TNA is like comparing A-Rod to some little league kid?

 

[avatar299]

Actually can someone explain why instead of comparing WWE vs TNA PPV buys they keep on pairing WWE a fake sport to UFC one being a legitimate sport? Its like comparing Apples to oranges it doesn't make sense

Becuase a lot of "wrestling journalists" have this hard on for the UFC, and would rather cover that than wrestling. LAW is a prime example

 

[El Pescado]

So supposedly CM Punk went back to the bleached blonde look.

Great. Now Smackdown vs Raw 2011 is even more outdated before it's even out.

I bet the CM Punk DLC outfit won't even be his current look by the time it comes out.

 

[DKehoe]

Actually can someone explain why instead of comparing WWE vs TNA PPV buys they keep on pairing WWE a fake sport to UFC one being a legitimate sport? Its like comparing Apples to oranges it doesn't make sense

Because UFC took a big part of WWEs audience away from them. TNA hasn't.

 

[Linkified]

Because UFC took a big part of WWEs audience away from them. TNA hasn't.

Oh so the kids who watched the WWE during the attitude era found out WWE was fake so moved onto UFC, why doesn't LAW, Wrestling Observer, etc. just get over it and just cover wrestling then.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Oh so the kids who watched the WWE during the attitude era found out WWE was fake so moved onto UFC, why doesn't LAW, Wrestling Observer, etc. just get over it and just cover wrestling then.

A lot of these websites cover both wrestling and MMA.

 

[DKehoe]

Oh so the kids who watched the WWE during the attitude era found out WWE was fake so moved onto UFC, why doesn't LAW, Wrestling Observer, etc. just get over it and just cover wrestling then.

I would imagine its because there is a pretty decent amount of people who are fans of both. And I don't think its that people found out WWE was fake that made them move over to UFC. In a lot of ways UFC does pro wrestling a lot better than WWE does. Build up two guys and make you want to see them fight.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Because UFC took a big part of WWEs audience away from them. TNA hasn't.

Bingo.

UFC and WWE appeal to the same audience pool, whether people want to acknowledge it or not.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

I would imagine its because there is a pretty decent amount of people who are fans of both. And I don't think its that people found out WWE was fake that made them move over to UFC. In a lot of ways UFC does pro wrestling a lot better than WWE does. Build up two guys and make you want to see them fight.

And, there is no scripted ending/swerve/work.

The excitement of not knowing how a fight will play out going in is HUGE.

And people can bet UFC.

 

[Linkified]

And, there is no scripted ending/swerve/work.

The excitement of not knowing how a fight will play out going in is HUGE.

And people can bet UFC.

So a real sport in other words.

Compare StrikeForce and UFC
Compare TNA and WWE.

Compare Apples with Apples and not Apples with Oranges.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

So a real sport in other words.

Compare StrikeForce and UFC
Compare TNA and WWE.

Compare Apples with Apples and not Apples with Oranges.

They're in the same business of promoting PPV events, though. It's just like how wrestling was always compared to boxing buyrates. UFC clearly stole WWE's audience. The demographic is the same.

 

[BoboBrazil]

They're in the same business of promoting PPV events, though. It's just like how wrestling was always compared to boxing buyrates. UFC clearly stole WWE's audience. The demographic is the same.

Alot of WWE fans left also when they started doing the kiddy shit. WWE should be doing promos like Jason Hervey is in TNA. Get real candid opinions backstage in a film like quality. Let them say how they feel on tv to get the emotion across.

 

[DKehoe]

Compare TNA and WWE.
Compare Apples with Apples and not Apples with Oranges.

WWE is doing around 100,000 buys per PPV. TNA is doing around 10,000. If we compare them then it looks like WWE is doing great because they are doing TEN TIMES that of their "competition" But are WWE doing great? No, they could and should be doing much better. They have lost a significant part of their PPV audience. So where did those people go? UFC. Thats why you can compare them.

 

[Linkified]

They're in the same business of promoting PPV events, though. It's just like how wrestling was always compared to boxing buyrates. UFC clearly stole WWE's audience. The demographic is the same.

Ok never knew wrestling was always compared to boxing in terms of buyrates.

Alot of WWE fans left also when they started doing the kiddy shit. WWE should be doing promos like Jason Hervey is in TNA. Get real candid opinions backstage in a film like quality. Let them say how they feel on tv to get the emotion across

What?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Alot of WWE fans left also when they started doing the kiddy shit. WWE should be doing promos like Jason Hervey is in TNA. Get real candid opinions backstage in a film like quality. Let them say how they feel on tv to get the emotion across.

If PG ever mattered, TNA would be blowing up right now.

 

[BoboBrazil]

If PG ever mattered, TNA would be blowing up right now.

TNA has horrible booking. If they had a decent booker they would be doing atleast ratings in the 2.0s right now. Everytime they get a chance to add audience they fuck it up though. Their storylines on a whole I still enjoy alot more than what WWE offers and they usually offer better wrestling on their ppvs. WWE is surviving off of brand name right now.

 

[DKehoe]

Ok never knew wrestling was always compared to boxing in terms of buyrates.

There is a lot more crossover between UFC fans and wrestling than boxing fans and wrestling. UFC became a success through the Ultimate Fighter which was a sucess (at least partly) because it followed Raw on Spike. The WWE audience was exposed to UFC and a lot of the older fans became more interested in UFC and less interest in WWE. In an interview recently Heyman was talking about how he warned Vince not to let them show The Ultimate Fighter after Raw (in the contract he was required to approve what Spike showed after Raw) because they would steal their audience and PPV money away.
The most succesful PPV TNA has ever done was when they promoted Joe/Angle like it was an MMA fight.

 

[spindashing]

PG does not matter. Was the Attitude that is held in such a high regard by longtime fans always golden? Were the more risque angles done on TV after that period before PG WWE came about always great? I'm sorry, I don't want to see Heidenreich raping Michael Cole on TV.

 

[DKehoe]

People were complaining about bad how WWE was before it turned PG. PG does not instantly mean bad wrestling and I've never seen a single good argument to say otherwise.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

People were complaining about bad how WWE was before it turned PG. PG does not instantly mean bad wrestling and I've never seen a single good argument to say otherwise.

Yep, it's the most tiresome argument in wrestling. It makes no sense.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

It also doesn't help that the UFC's biggest draw (Brock) used to wrestle in the WWE.

I have no doubt he was instrumental in legitimizing UFC to WWE cross-over viewers.

Wrestling as a whole has failed to evolve for today's market and their ratings are showing as much.

Evolve or get left behind.

 

[Keyser Soze]

oops

 

[Mr. Enigma]

I quit watching religiously when they blew the WWF vs. WCW angle. Had nothing to do with PG.

 

[Keyser Soze]

People were complaining about bad how WWE was before it turned PG. PG does not instantly mean bad wrestling and I've never seen a single good argument to say otherwise.

The only really, truly bad thing about PG is when it affects matches when someone accidentally gets busted open, and the match, regardless of pacing, or any sort of common sense draws to a halt for someone to rush in "help" them. It has happened in about 5 matches since PG came in, and it just flat-out kills the match. Even worse, it kills any hype the the wrestlers built up with the live crowd, which ruins their fun for the rest of the match

The worse case of it, was when Punk got his head shaved by Rey, and the big point of the end of the match was to see Punk get his head shaved, but because Punk was bleeding, they had to use far away shots, behind the head shots, and any shot that did not show his face. It was stupid, silly, and pointless.

I agree that storylines can work as PG, and arguably always have. There was very little The Rock or Stone Cold did during that Attitude Era that was TV-14, and most of the memorable stuff was pretty much PG. The only real TV-14 stuff from Austin was giving the finger to someone, but he could have still stunnered Tyson, came in on a Beer Truck, and filled The Rock's car with cement with a PG tag.

All The Rocks promo's were very PG too, he basically self-censored a lot of his promo's with funny wording, and "roody-poo candy ass" would be the only thing that had to go nowadays. Also, any real dirty talk was just inundoo, which was borderline PG - and is still used today.

The only really big star PG would have affected is probably Foley. A huge number of his big moments involved hardcore stuff, putting his body on the line, and bleeding - and he arguably would not be remember as fondly nowaday if the product was always PG.

Oh, and there is the Diva stuff too, yeah, they are less skimpy now, but even back in the Attitude Era we still complained they took up PPV time, and still took a piss breaks when they were on TV. We still do that today, nothing has changed.

In truth, there is very little memorable about a Diva in skimpy clothes. Sable and Sunny was nice when we were 16, but a few months later Mae Young got her tits out during a Royal Rumble. I thank PG for not having to witness that again!!!

 

[spindashing]

Another reason why I know a lot of people stopped watching wrestling was the brand split. At the time all the boys I knew in class used to watch wrestling and stopped a few weeks after the brand split.

 

[JdFoX187]

I used to be a staunch opponent of the brand split, but it doesn't bother me much now. What else could WWE do? They already have more people on their roster than they can fit on two shows. They barely had enough room for everyone when they had three shows plus Superstars. Unless you want to trim the fat a bit, there's going to be guys left sitting on the sidelines during television time. It'd be even worse if there was a unified brand. We'd see Cena and Barrett taking up an hour each on two shows rather than just one. I guarantee if we didn't have the brand split, we wouldn't have top guys like Alberto Del Rio, CM Punk or even Cody Rhodes.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I used to be a staunch opponent of the brand split, but it doesn't bother me much now. What else could WWE do? They already have more people on their roster than they can fit on two shows. They barely had enough room for everyone when they had three shows plus Superstars. Unless you want to trim the fat a bit, there's going to be guys left sitting on the sidelines during television time. It'd be even worse if there was a unified brand. We'd see Cena and Barrett taking up an hour each on two shows rather than just one. I guarantee if we didn't have the brand split, we wouldn't have top guys like Alberto Del Rio, CM Punk or even Cody Rhodes.

Oh, fuck. Could you imagine - Cena and Nexus for 4 hours a week.

Zzzzzz

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

Oh, fuck. Could you imagine - Cena and Nexus for 4 hours a week.

Zzzzzz

We already saw a taste of it when Smackdown was live.

 

[SoulPlaya]

I thank God for PG, to be honest. Now, the WWE can't embarrass itself with cringe-worthy "edgy" nonsense like a live sex celebration, Katie Vick, or having a hand being born.

 

[JdFoX187]

Oh, fuck. Could you imagine - Cena and Nexus for 4 hours a week.

Zzzzzz

It'd be like watching Smackdown's live episode, or last week's episode of TNA.

 

[Kusagari]

I thank God for PG, to be honest. Now, the WWE can't embarrass itself with cringe-worthy "edgy" nonsense like a live sex celebration, Katie Vick, or having a hand being born.

Yeah, now it just embarrasses itself by having a midget pull Looney Tunes antics on professional wrestlers.

 

[Forkball]

I thank God for PG, to be honest. Now, the WWE can't embarrass itself with cringe-worthy "edgy" nonsense like a live sex celebration, Katie Vick, or having a hand being born.

Raw, Edge held up to that promise by engaging in foreplay with Lita until they were interrupted by Flair, who called Edge a disgrace and "that he was horrible in the sack."[81] Flair, however, ended up on the receiving end of a con-chair-to on the announcers' table until Cena came out to Flair's aid and performed an FU on Lita.[81] The "Live Sex Celebration" segment earned Raw a 5.2 rating,[82] the highest Raw rating in over a year,[83] leading Edge to call himself the "most watched champion ever".[84]

Sex with Lita = ratings. WWE knows what it must do now.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Yeah, now it just embarrasses itself by having a midget pull Looney Tunes antics on professional wrestlers.

That's stupid too, but I mean, now Michael Cole's butthole is safe, and Vince McMahon isn't talking about how dreams of the Undertaker make him soil himself.

At least Hornswoggle appeals to children, who the hell gets appealed by the other stuff?