Official Formula 1: Australian GP thread (starting grid,race)...

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Here's the starting grid.


Final grid order for Australian GP

1. FISICHELLA Renault 3m01.460s
2. TRULLI Toyota 3m04.429s
3. WEBBER Williams 3m04.996s
4. VILLENEUVE Sauber 3m06.846s
5. COULTHARD Red Bull 3m07.212s
6. KLIEN Red Bull 3m07.477s
7. HEIDFELD Williams 3m09.130s
8. BUTTON BAR 3m12.128s
9. MONTOYA McLaren 3m14.645s
10. RAIKKONEN McLaren 3m15.558s
11. BARRICHELLO Ferrari 3m16.822s
12. KARTHIKEYAN Jordan 3m17.092s
13. ALONSO Renault 3m17.466s
14. MONTEIRO Jordan 3m20.329s
15. R.SCHUMACHER Toyota 3m22.717s
16. FRIESACHER Minardi 3m28.363s
17. ALBERS Minardi 1m49.230s*
18. M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari 1m57.931s*
19. SATO BAR no time
20. MASSA Sauber no time

* Failed to complete a flying lap in final qualifying


Should be a fascinating race.
 
:lol It's less to do with him and more to do with almost everyone else getting fucked over by rain on Saturday. Looks like JV's lost a bunch of positions in the early going...think he's in 11th spot at present.

Meanwhile Michael and Kimi are fucked...15th and 16th (Kimi had to start in pit lane), with Sato right in front of them.
 
Okay, I'll try my best.

Fischella was leading, Coulthard was second, Weber I think was third. First spat of pit stops have just started, so the order's gonna shuffle a bit.
 
Man, I haven't seen an F1 race in so long. It's so damn fast... almost makes me dizzy, coming from playing GT4. :lol I can't believe these guys can drive like that with accuracy and confidence.
 
Michael Schumacher got spun out by Heidfeld... looked like a DNF, but the track marshals pushed him back onto the track and he's going.

Edit: He drove it into the pits. DNF.
 
Fisichella 1st, Barrichello 2nd, Alonso 3rd. Interesting to hear the Italian anthem, then the French one for Renault leading the Constructors' Championship. :lol
 
Well it was an interesting race.
People who you would expect to do better (McLaren, Schumacher, BAR) didn't do well at all, and people who you would expect to do crap (Red Bull Racing etc) did rather well.

So far the most impressive driver for me is easily Alonso, stuck behind JV for 17 laps back in 13th place but went on an absolutle flyer once he had finally got past.

Not quite willing to bet on Alonso/Renault to win the championship just yet, could be like last year where Renault are only good at half of the races, will have to wait and see.
 
This could be a nice season. The differences weren't huge and Ferrari didn't dominate. McLaren was a wee bit disappointing, especially Montoya, but the car seemed to be quick enough at times.

Fisichella did great. Alonso might have a hard time with him. :)
 
It was a fairly interesting race and my ears are still ringing!!

A bit dissapointing that Webber got 5th but still a pretty good result. I thought Red Bull did well and DC drove well to stay ahead of webber all race. It was good to see trulli doing good until he cooked his tyres.
Fisi leading from start to finish was kinda boring, but i wanted him to win so i enjoyed watching it.
I got a few pics from today, some turned out pretty good consisdering there's a fence there. Although every pic i try and take of kimi ends up with a pole in the middle.

Now the 1 year and abit wait for the next Aust GP in 2006. I think we'll be the third or second race in the season next year because of the commonwealth games, but it'll be first race again in 2007.
 
Schumacher diving into the pits was as much a tatical move as anything else...apparantely he's now legally able to change the engine for the next race. If a car DNF's for any reason, they're able to change the engine. Which I guess means every car after the 8th spot should just dive into the pits. :lol

This race was just wierd. Schumacher and Raikkonen would've obviously done a lot better if they weren't stuck behind Sato for like half the race. Gotta wonder if tatical errors weren't made there...perhaps they should've both pitted earlier so they could've had some clear track to get some fast times. Reanult was great all week, and Fischella drove a hell of a race. Alonso might've had the fastest car of the lot, but his inability to get by Villeneuve (disappointing result for him BTW) earlier didn't help his cause. Still, he can't be disappointed with third place. Story of the race is defintely Red Bull...Coulthard did extremely well to keep ahead of a pumped up Weber and finish 4th, and Klein finishing 7th was an even bigger surprise. I'm a huge DC fan, and I'd like to think his experience and wisdom has helped give that team an advantage they haven't had in previous years. Montoya looked okay, nothing spectacular...heh, Ron Dennis was on him already for throwing away a podium spot after he drove off the track to avoid a lapped car. BAR couldn't get anything done...but I guess they're just happy that their transmission didn't blow up as it apparantely did all winter. And Toyota continues to be Toyota.

Interesting race overall, though I think it highlights again that overtaking in F1 is simply a rarity now. Villeneuve said before the race that he figured the new regulations would make overtaking even harder...well, they sure haven't made it any easier.
 
Yep there was hardly any overtaking I think i only saw one or two moves that i can remember.
So the reason schumi retired was so he could change his engine for the next race? Did BAR do this as well? Someone mentioned that both BARs retired 1 or 2 laps from the end, but i didn't notice they were gone from the track at all.
Oh yeah what happened to Kimi at the original start? the commentor was saying something about it but i coudln't hear what he was saying, come to think of it, i didnt really hear any commentary.

Oh and some pics that i'm too lazy to resize...

Minardi suspending in the air
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4865.JPG

BMW 1 series vs V8 supercar vs Pizzonia in a Williams F1
It was a staggered start race, the 1 series won (just) because it started like 1min and abit eariler than the f1 car.
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4893.JPG

Schumi during the warmup lap + pole :(
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4907.JPG

Kimi and Heidfeld + Pole
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4910.JPG

Trulli and no pole!!!
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4911.JPG

Fisi wins!
http://www.deakin.edu.au/~liongue/PICT4932.JPG
 
Heh, the Schumacher and Trulli shots look phenominal. Nice seeing the V8 Supercar shot as well...gonna do a season of that in TOCA Race Driver 2 soon. Hope you had a great time...I'm assuming you were sitting at the last turn on the track where the pit entry is.
 
Interesting race. Both Kimi and Michael did wonders to get back into the points. But they were totally out of the running by like lap 12. :? Michael's collision with Heidfeld looked to be his fault. Didn't leave room on the inside. I wish they'd shown a better angle to see how far alongside Nick was. Never saw him get a wheel in there from the onboard. Retiring early is pretty lame, but it's the rules I guess. :(

Fisi drove a good race, but he had no challenges the whole time. The only reason Trulli and DC could keep touch with him was when he was conserving tires. Jarno did well until that first pit stop. Then he just faded. DC/Klein and Red Bull had a great debut. Showing how much Jaguar underperformed the last few years. Hopefully they're a regular near the front.

Kimi and Juan had their races ruined in Q1. Both did well, Kimi better than Juan. Kimi just had really bad luck on the grid, but still managed to pull up into the points. Coulda done better without Schuey and Sato in the way, but Michael could have benefited from Sato's absence too.

The two Saubers were mobile chicanes. Massa less so than JV, but still. It's something that really annoys me with the new regs. You jumble the grid only to have JV towing a long line of ars behind him between pitstops. When's the last time JV's been moving forward? He sure knows how to block cars much faster than him. It was fun watching he and Alonso trade blows for a bit, but JV ruined the race of everyone behind him. I don't find that entertaining really. Overtaking is still ruining the show. :( But this is not a JV bash, he was fighting for position fair and square, and it's a testament to his ability to hold back a car with a second per lap advantage.

Contrary to what Ralf thinks, Michael had a much better chance of winning than he did. Matter of fact, I think Rubens, Alonso, Kimi and Michael had a legit shot at a win. I'd say Juan, but outside of Sector 2, he wasn't that impressive yesterday. Credit goes to Rubens for salvaging a podium finish and putting pressure on Fisi until the end. Rubens drove a very good race, although I don't think he challenged a single car on the road all day. But it's not like Rubens can't overtake, so he just ran his strategy well.

Overall, it was a mixed result, but not what I'd call a good race. For all the potential, it was a procession most of the way. Car running nose to tail, but with no chance of getting by. At one point, there were like 8 cars within 4 seconds of each other behind JV. If we're gonna have a procession, I'd rather it be the fastest cars in a line.

The 2005 season's off to a wierd start. The Renaults will be strong this year, so you gotta expect Fisi and Alonso to be at the sharp end often. But I still view Kimi as the primary WDC challenger this year, so IMO, Michael hasn't lost much ground after this first round. So he's only down 1pt so far IMO, as opposed to 10pts. There'll be no penalty in Sepang, so I hope we can maybe get clear qualies, and maybe Michael can challenge for pole and a win there to get his season started proper. Ferrari will probably be ramping up testing of the F2005. While the F2004M isn't that much worse than the Renaults and Macs, it's still significant. They won't want to lose too much ground to Renault and McLaren before Imola. I'd like to see the F2005 by Bahrain. And with Rubens leading the WDC effort for the team, he should be the one to get the chassis first. :) Anyway, roll on Malaysia in two weeks. F1 has brought meaning back to my Sundays again. PEACE.
 
I forgot to answer Lusdekkar's question about Kimi...his car stalled at the start of the race, so they pushed it into the pits. Not sure if he got extra fuel on board or not (or if that's even allowed).

And I don't think anyone at Ferrari went on record in saying that they retired so they could use a new engine next race. Schumacher said he retired because of car damage. But let's face it, his goose was cooked anyway...if the rules allow you to retire and use a new engine next race, that's the way to go. You just have to make something up to cover it. :lol Schumacher doesn't need finishes, all that matters to him are wins and podiums. Unlike some other drivers where getting through a race without getting lapped is good enough for some teams.
 
Shinobi said:
Schumacher said he retired because of car damage. But let's face it, his goose was cooked anyway...if the rules allow you to retire and use a new engine next race, that's the way to go.
And at least they put some effort into covering that up. Unlike BAR who come out and flat out said they retired to change the engines.
Kinda reminds me of qualy1 silverstone last year, everyone was throwing away their quick lap bceause it was going to rain late in qualy 2. The Ferraris were the only ones to goto the trouble of making not so obvious.

I was at the last corner for the weekend. The seats near corners 1 and 2 are too expensive, and you don't see much of the cars if you sit on pit straight because they go by too fast.
 
LusDekkar said:
And at least they put some effort into covering that up. Unlike BAR who come out and flat out said they retired to change the engines.

:lol :lol :lol Almost throwing it into the face of Max Mosley there. I remember the Silverstone chirade as well...stuff like that just makes F1 look so bush.

My "seat" at the Toronto Indy was also on the last turn. It's an S turn with two general seating/standing areas on either side, so I went back and fourth during the weekend. Anywhere else was a bit too pricey for me.
 
Shinobi said:
:lol :lol :lol Almost throwing it into the face of Max Mosley there. I remember the Silverstone chirade as well...stuff like that just makes F1 look so bush.

My "seat" at the Toronto Indy was also on the last turn. It's an S turn with two general seating/standing areas on either side, so I went back and fourth during the weekend. Anywhere else was a bit too pricey for me.
The new rules are pretty shortsighted. I don't know if anyone works out the different scenarios first, but we shoulda seen this coming. It's gonna be worse than last year. Last year teams only opted out of qualies to change an engine. Now drivers are gonna regularly opt out of races near the end to allow for an engine change. I forsee some revisions to the rules in the coming weeks.

BTW, I haven't ripped JV enough this weekend. He trundled around all weekend. Massa showed him the pace the whole way. Massa's race was only ruined by a poor starting position...then him throwing it off the track a couple of times. But he's definitely blossoming into the talent he was once touted to be. But considering he started from the back and still avoided getting lapped, that makes JV's performance that much worse. The Jacques Villeneuve Farewell Tour...coming to a town near you. Catch it while you can, I don't forsee him making a return trip next year unless it's with Minardi. ;) :P Ah JV, the tifosi punshing bag. :lol PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
The Jacques Villeneuve Farewell Tour...coming to a town near you. Catch it while you can, I don't forsee him making a return trip next year unless it's with Minardi. ;) :P Ah JV, the tifosi punshing bag. :lol PEACE.
Yey i saw it!!!
 
I just got back to Sydney after seeing the race in Melbourne the other day, it was a pretty good race, very aussie atmosphere, when Michael and Heidfeld had been taken out the screen showed Webbers name for a few seconds and everyone thought Webber was out, then Heidfelds name replaced it and everyone around me cheered :lol

The Grand Stand is overrated, even though I was front row, pretty much the whole race I spent looking up at the screen through that damn fence. Though there were still some good moments, I was right opposite the Renault pit (and could see into Webbers pit), and when Fisichella was on his final lap I saw them all climb on to the fence and cheer. There are some nice perks, like actually getting to sit down, and seeing all the cars on the starting grid, but I think i'll just get a general admission ticket next year, unless I get rich somehow. I was also pissed off that it was pouring down rain when I got to do the pit walk, and didn't get to go.

That first qualifying was very exciting, thanks to good old unpredictable Melbourne weather. I like the new qualifying rule how they get two turns etc, but i'm not too fond of the other rules, the engine and tyre rules only make it more boring.

A surprising victory from Fisichella, good job Renault, and a good solid finish by Mark Webber (though I think he could have done better if Coulthard wasn't holding him up :P) made it a great race for me.
 
Grubdog said:
I just got back to Sydney after seeing the race in Melbourne the other day, it was a pretty good race, very aussie atmosphere, when Michael and Heidfeld had been taken out the screen showed Webbers name for a few seconds and everyone thought Webber was out, then Heidfelds name replaced it and everyone around me cheered :lol
Yeah that was great. I was at the last corner on the senna stand. When i first saw the crash and webber's name popped up, everyone was like "bloody schumi", but then heifeld's name popped up and everyone cheered, it was great.

This year was the first time that i have gone to the grand stand (senna is $400). Previously I've only been going general admission, trust me the seats are good. If you go general admission be prepared to be by the entrance gate at 6am race day, and that's so you can run from the gate to the place where you want to watch the race from. It's good to haev your own seat so you can come and leave and you want.
 
Yeah, good points, I guess my complaints aren't really about the seating but the general "hands off" approach the GP is heading in.

Back when it was held in Adelaide my dad went there then and it was much more open, he actually got to go into the pits and take photos of all the drivers sitting inside their cars (this was during the pit walk), then got the photos developed that night, and the next day he got each one signed by each driver. There's no chance at all anything like that could happen again, recently pit walks are just a walk through, and teams just put out a few car parts on display and say "look at this". There's much more security now and while i'm all for the drivers having a "safe" race, the races are getting more boring. I still love it though, i'm looking forward to how this season turns out as it builds up, hopefully the drivers go all out despite having to conserve their tyres and engines.

One thing I noticed in that last race though was that almost every driver had a chance of a podium finish in that race, I had no idea who was going to come out on top at the beginning of the race, solid performances by almost every driver, I think the points are going to be more spread out this year, which is a good thing.
 
Grubdog said:
I just got back to Sydney after seeing the race in Melbourne the other day, it was a pretty good race, very aussie atmosphere, when Michael and Heidfeld had been taken out the screen showed Webbers name for a few seconds and everyone thought Webber was out, then Heidfelds name replaced it and everyone around me cheered :lol

:lol That happened at the Toronto Indy. There was a crash in the first five laps, and at first local boy Paul Tracy's name was mentioned to the sound of a collective groan. Then some other guy gets mentioned as the second car involved, and everybody cheered. :lol It cracked me up.
 
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