Defense of Ukraine official count of enemy losses reaches 1 million

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yes, the number is prolly inaccurate, yes that counts wounded that might have been able to continue fighting so there's probably some double counts, yes and yes

just here to point out the somber realisation of the human toll Putin's war of conquest has costed its own people. That's all.

also, please don't turn this into a general discussion of the war - that is not allowed here since it inevitably leads to politics
 
diffusionx said:
That number is totally fake and makes no sense.
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Considering the length of the war, the size of the Russian army, and the mobilisations they have been forced to do it's probably not far off. 1 million casualties doesn't mean 1 million dead, it includes injured as well. Most estimates put Russia at 900k-1000k with Ukraine at 500k-600k.
 
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Zathalus said:
Considering the length of the war, the size of the Russian army, and the mobilisations they have been forced to do it's probably not far off. 1 million casualties doesn't mean 1 million dead, it includes injured as well. Most estimates put Russia at 900k-1000k with Ukraine at ~600k.
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Yea, that's bullshit. This isn't Verdun, and Russia is continuing to win territory and battles. Every dead body exchange is also like 50:1.


Nobody has an incentive to tell the truth and Ukraine puts out these numbers for western propaganda purposes. They're hugely overstated, and it doesn't matter, war isn't an arcade game, US killed tons of Vietnamese and still lost the war.
 
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diffusionx said:
Yea, that's bullshit. This isn't Verdun, and Russia is continuing to win territory and battles. Every dead body exchange is also like 50:1.


Nobody has an incentive to tell the truth and Ukraine puts out these numbers for western propaganda purposes. They're hugely overstated.
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Believe what you will, the Ukraine number is hardly the only estimate at or close to that number. Independent observation puts the material loss at over 20k tanks, trucks, ifvs, planes, artillery, etc as well. It's been almost 4 years of brutal fighting between two nations that have army sizes in the millions. Russia hasn't done multiple mobilisation and conscription efforts for shits and giggles.
 
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Based on numbers confirmed by Russia, they have alot of dead so far (they have confirmed a certain number for alot of months), the names of 106,745 Russian soldiers killed during the full-scale invasion of Ukraine have been identified. The true number is clearly much higher. Military experts estimate the number may cover between 45% and 65% of deaths, which would mean 164,223 to 237,211 people, casualties making the number up to 1 million losses also includes everyone injured and not capable any longer to be a soldier, that number is with historical averages around 3:1 and recent ratios potentially reaching 10:1 to 17:1 due to improved medical care.

1 million probarly isn't that far off, and Oryx only reports losses of equipment with photographic evidence, those numbers also aren't that far off from what is reported either.
 
the casualty rate for russian is unsustainable in the long run because of how putin kinda painted himself into the corner. He can't used another mobilization because he's not selling it to his country as an war/invasion. The way he has been recruiting is with very high wages and most sign up because they live in rural areas where there's no opportunities. And in general soldiers that fight for money are less effective combatants due to lower sense of duty or motivation, leading to more losses. And you need to keep recruiting more soldiers with more money and it ends up being a vicious cycle.
 
Genuine question, why is Russia considered any sort of credible threat to Europe if they can only control 20% of Ukraine after 3 years of war?
 
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I've never cared about Axis losses. Nazi Germans, Imperial Japanese, Zwastika Russians, they're all the same sort of inhumane warmongering imperialists.

Every second wasted on them is time better spent remembering their victims.

Liza the little girl with Down syndrome or Yuriy and his family Valeria and Kira, both killed by Russian strikes, or this man's mother:



Countless innocent people who would otherwise be alive were it not for a tinpot dictator and his mindless slaves.
 
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Russia massively fucked up the other week when they had their airbases hit by drone swarms that had been parked outside them. head would have rolled for letting that happen.
 
Such an incredible waste. It's hard to believe this war's been going on for 4 years. And for something as stupid as imperialism for the invasion and pride for not withdrawing after Ukraine didn't just fall over.

I haven't been following the particulars, but in my mind I see no end to the conflict unless Russia wins, Putin dies, or - hopefully but not likely - Ukraine is able to land decisive blows to force a stop. Even then though idk - Would Putin have to be dead first and even if he was would the incoming Russian government carry on the lie to continue saving face, no matter the cost? (Nobody has to answer; my question was more rhetorical than actual)
 
Sybrix said:
Genuine question, why is Russia considered any sort of credible threat to Europe if they can only control 20% of Ukraine after 3 years of war?
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Even if their goals outstrips their abilities they can still cause a lot of damage (and death) in the pursuit of them.
 
Mistake said:
Not sure what good it does pointing this out here. Hopefully there's a peaceful resolution soon
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Unfortunately russian mentality makes peaceful resolutions not possible. It's been like that for centuries. They're blatantly lying and murdering until they either reach their goal or suffer unrecoverable losses.

Just a reminder, February 2022:
tass.com

Russian MFA says Russia won’t invade Ukraine, blames US for ‘aggressive plans’

Maria Zakharova said it was "absurd" to say Russia nurtured any aggressive plans about Ukraine
tass.com tass.com
 
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Atrus said:
I've never cared about Axis losses. Nazi Germans, Imperial Japanese, Zwastika Russians, they're all the same sort of inhumane warmongering imperialists.

Every second wasted on them is time better spent remembering their victims.

Liza the autistic little girl or Yuriy and his family Valeria and Kira, both killed by Russian strikes, or this man's mother:



Countless innocent people who would otherwise be alive were it not for a tinpot dictator and his mindless slaves.
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It makes me sick. All wars are bankers wars, including this one. We have had all of this death throughout the centuries due to greed. This is just "good business" for central bankers who profit off of this and why they always finance both sides.

 
dotnotbot said:
Unfortunately russian mentality makes peaceful resolutions not possible. It's been like that for centuries. They're blatantly lying and murdering until they either reach their goal or suffer unrecoverable losses.

Just a reminder, February 2022:
tass.com

Russian MFA says Russia won’t invade Ukraine, blames US for ‘aggressive plans’

Maria Zakharova said it was "absurd" to say Russia nurtured any aggressive plans about Ukraine
tass.com tass.com
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I'm close friends with some russians, and that's not the right mentality to have. What you're talking about is stubborn old people in government. That's a worldwide problem.

As I said, there's only one direction this thread can take. Best not
 
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Casualties .

Means injured or killed.

Crazy to me how people seem to think it means deaths lol. OP seems to understand this but proceeded to put "losses" on the thread title lol
 
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Drones are the only thing keeping Russia going. They've been absolutely decimated. This can't be overstated enough; the russian stockpile of material and armor is non existent.

Russias been a failed state for this entire millennium. And Russia fails with the US throwing in the towel too. A certain administration has ACTIVELY supported russia with the dismantling of any kind of assistance or oversight.

Russians are completely dillusional thinking they could do anything to nato. Finland or poland would destroy russia on their own
 
Sybrix said:
Genuine question, why is Russia considered any sort of credible threat to Europe if they can only control 20% of Ukraine after 3 years of war?
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Outside of nukes they wouldn't get past Poland. But a hypothetical Russia in 10 years if they massively rearm and learn from the mistakes made in the past few years? That could be a different story. So hence European nations scaling up the militaries across the board.
 
diffusionx said:
That number is totally fake and makes no sense.
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You can't just call the number "totally fake" and then throw around your own claim like it's a proven fact either.

And to say things like "every dead body exchange is 50:1" with total confidence is just as speculative and arguably more extreme as the claim you're criticizing
 
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Before spewing out these death stats we need some perspective…
 
kpopSuperstar said:
They didnt leave because they had to, they chose to. If they wanted, they could have torched the entire region.
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No, they couldn't have torched the entire region. The NVA and Viet Cong were not like the Nazis or Imperial Japan, and not everyone around the world supported U.S. involvement. If they had taken such action, it would have had serious global repercussions.
 
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Peace is a nice thing, but you have to be pro-reality to get there. Which, a big majority of Russia doesn't live in that mindset.

Peace takes a lot of self-reflection, but you have to have the ability to compromise. Which, Ukraine shouldn't.

Russia started this and are in a quagmire. They did this too in Afghanistan and were humiliated. This war ends in the same fashion in that they lose complete morale militarily and their people are back in bread lines with their country in economic ruin.

The sooner that Putin falls out of a window, the better for all sides.
 
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Sybrix said:
Genuine question, why is Russia considered any sort of credible threat to Europe if they can only control 20% of Ukraine after 3 years of war?
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Mainly NATO. If they attack a NATO country then that would cause a larger conflict. There's also the fact that the west didnt really know how big the Russian army is as we dont know their population, just like North Korea. The goal is to send as many troops as they can to tire out the enemy and prolong the war. That way other countries will lose interest in funding Ukraine. You also have Russia sending people from North Korea and Africa to go fight. Then there's a possibility if this escalates or if Russia gets desperate another country might back them. This is why it's important to have Ukraine win asap, so this doesnt escalate into WW3.
 
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