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Official Live 8 thread
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Ninja Scooter
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Mugen said:
i do.
dem said:
Let's talk about this injustice for a second.
There are two ways to play a festival like this.
1) Old Standards
2) New Single + Old Standards
There is no other way. I am fine with someone putting in a newer song to advertise or simply promote themselves on a normal basis. Maybe they like their new material, and that's all fine and good. But Bryan Adams did TWO new songs, and one more or less new song compared to his classics. No Cuts Like a Knife, no Summer of '69. It was a disastrous performance, all considered. It was angering.
Coldplay's lineup is another sore spot for me...while I think the choice of Fix You as the ballad of choice is fine (New Single and all), and the performance of Bittersweet Symphony was a nice touch...what the HELL were they playing "In My Place" for? I think it's the weakest single from Rush for sure, and they could have played Speed of Sound or Clocks instead. While In My Place is not a bad song, nor is it a bad festival song for the crowd to drawl along to, they have better songs to play, and stuff that would have been much more interesting to watch.
Currently watching CTV's Greatest Hits...they started off well, showing new performances we didn't get to see on the Canadian feed, but it seems like we're heading back into retread territory. I'm at least hoping we get some different performances of most artists; most of them were popular enough that they performed two quality songs for them to choose another hit for the recap show. Like, as much as Like A Prayer was the only good song Madonna played, Ray of Light and Music are popular enough to please those who didn't get to watch the earlier coverage. (Edit: I spoke too soon; the intro with the Ethiopian woman was enough to garner a repeat...hopefully this doesn't signal bad things for the rest of the show...oh, they're just showing multiple songs for certain artists...I can dig it)
Singing O Canada was indeed a little tacky, but it defined the show well and was a nice and spontaneous moment. Rockin' in the Free World was indeed rockin'...but the strangest moment had to be seeing Gary Dourdan, not knowing he would be there. It was a great..."That's the CSI guy...wait, it can't be" moment.
Has there been any talk about the reason this concert is going on?
Think this and the protest in Edinburgh is going to have any impact what-so-ever on the G8 conference? Seems like throwing more money at the problem really isn't going to help Africa in many ways. Though Geldof (sp?) is trying to get a more fair trade policy up, you'd think there would be a better way to go about it.
Think this and the protest in Edinburgh is going to have any impact what-so-ever on the G8 conference? Seems like throwing more money at the problem really isn't going to help Africa in many ways. Though Geldof (sp?) is trying to get a more fair trade policy up, you'd think there would be a better way to go about it.
I am with this poster.arter_2 said:
MTV's coverage sickened me... I ended up hopping between the AOL feeds more, since MTV was either interrupting so that Sway and MC Lyte could yap (or so Amer could ogle the MTV UK chick), or going to yet another Taco Bell or Pepsi commercial.
ABC's recap was actually really good -- all things considered. They didn't yap hardly at all and showed a bunch of the highlights.
I had to explain to my girlfriend why The Who and Pink Floyd were such a big deal... for her part, she was pissed that MTV didn't show Toby Keith or Keith Urban. Hahaha.
I hope AOL puts up the London re-play soon. I'm enjoying the US and Canada replays.
ONE thing I will say, though--awareness ain't gonna feed nobody. Charge everyone $5 or ask for donations, or jeez, at least pop up a URL or phone # where people can contact their politicians directly. Geldof needs to talk to Sally Struthers's people.
London had over 200k, I know that much.
Philadelphia reached over 1 million people in the late afternoon. At least, that's what they're saying, and since the crowd streetched for about a mile away from the actual stage, that number doesn't seem too far off, even if it is embellished.
Philadelphia reached over 1 million people in the late afternoon. At least, that's what they're saying, and since the crowd streetched for about a mile away from the actual stage, that number doesn't seem too far off, even if it is embellished.
I don't know...they charged $20 Canadian for the "SARS stock" concert in Toronto a couple years ago (featuring the Stones and AC/DC), and they pulled in well over 400,000 for that. Chances are they get pretty much the same numbers in most of the venues if they charged 5 bucks. Then again, charging money would've been pretty impratical in some venues, such as Red Square in Moscow.
Still, I think the point of this was to get people onto the website, and to sign the petition or whatever it is there where it'll then be sent to the G8 leaders. I think Geldoff realizes that simply raising money won't do the job...the situation within Africa needs drastic, long term change, as opposed to just another monetery quick fix that isn't guaranteed to get to those who need it anyway. Problem is, I'm not sure many people really understand the intricies of those problems (and I won't claim to understand them all either). Half the reason why I haven't signed my name at the website yet...I wanna feel like I truly understand the issue before I just get swept along with the wave.
Then again, how many people really understand anything they vote or sign up for? I mean nobody reads the small print before signing a contract, and that's right in front of them.
Still, I think the point of this was to get people onto the website, and to sign the petition or whatever it is there where it'll then be sent to the G8 leaders. I think Geldoff realizes that simply raising money won't do the job...the situation within Africa needs drastic, long term change, as opposed to just another monetery quick fix that isn't guaranteed to get to those who need it anyway. Problem is, I'm not sure many people really understand the intricies of those problems (and I won't claim to understand them all either). Half the reason why I haven't signed my name at the website yet...I wanna feel like I truly understand the issue before I just get swept along with the wave.
Then again, how many people really understand anything they vote or sign up for? I mean nobody reads the small print before signing a contract, and that's right in front of them.
:lol Ah, gotta love small print.
I don't know...the way Canada's finances have been syphoned into the pockets of Liberal friends the last decade while the health system continues to crumble, the transit system in Toronto gets more broken and retarded by the day (hey, let's have someone play a grand piano inside a subway station - that'll draw in more customers!!!.......), the roads continue to get worse, and the tax burden gets heavier, I fail to see how Canada could offer to give much more to this particular cause then they already have. And sure, those problems are relatively minor compared to what's going on in Africa...but like I said, it'll take more then money to fix things long term over there.
Having said that (and I think Geldoff made this point a few months ago), it's funny how these governments say they have no money to earmark for something like this, yet somehow managed to find great big stacks of it for tsunami relief. I think that's a big reason why Geldoff decided to put this Live 8 deal together.
I don't know...the way Canada's finances have been syphoned into the pockets of Liberal friends the last decade while the health system continues to crumble, the transit system in Toronto gets more broken and retarded by the day (hey, let's have someone play a grand piano inside a subway station - that'll draw in more customers!!!.......), the roads continue to get worse, and the tax burden gets heavier, I fail to see how Canada could offer to give much more to this particular cause then they already have. And sure, those problems are relatively minor compared to what's going on in Africa...but like I said, it'll take more then money to fix things long term over there.
Having said that (and I think Geldoff made this point a few months ago), it's funny how these governments say they have no money to earmark for something like this, yet somehow managed to find great big stacks of it for tsunami relief. I think that's a big reason why Geldoff decided to put this Live 8 deal together.
I'll have to read this thread at some point. I've been curious about the implications and such of this, but no one can or wants to entertain my thoughts. I'm sure some of you have interesting things to say.
I'm in Glasgow right now so we watched a lot of the London show yesterday. It was fantastic. Embarassed the rest of the shows, particularly Canada, in my mind.
I'm in Glasgow right now so we watched a lot of the London show yesterday. It was fantastic. Embarassed the rest of the shows, particularly Canada, in my mind.
Meatpuppet
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Society said:Have any media outlets critized MTV for their presentation? Down right insulting really, let's end poverty by showing commericals of Wendy's new triple burger!
P.s.
TOUR YOU STUBBORN GITS!!!
Boogie9IGN
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Torrents of the videos please?
I need:
Elton John
Snoop Dogg
Paul McCartney
Sting
I need:
Elton John
Snoop Dogg
Paul McCartney
Sting
Some news from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4648051.stm
400 complaints about swearing :lol And I bet 375 of those were because of Snoop Dogg's set :lol
Told ya that there'd be complaints!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4648051.stm
400 complaints about swearing :lol And I bet 375 of those were because of Snoop Dogg's set :lol
Told ya that there'd be complaints!
For those of you who were wondering why the crowd at the front of the London concert were so shit, this should explain everything. Frankly that's disgusting.
Also, one or two bands might have sold a lot of records in the last 2 days following Live 8 in London, funnily enough.
Also, one or two bands might have sold a lot of records in the last 2 days following Live 8 in London, funnily enough.
ManDudeChild
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MadFuzzy said:
Well doesn't that just make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. The only ones that got anything out of the event were the musicians and some snotty rich trash. Lovely.
Shouldn't the organizers of Live 8 been able to stop that shit from happening? I mean the champaign crap.
Who was I talking to about the show possibly ending early because it was running late? I read today in a paper that it was almost ended early (at 10.30) by an MP because they were afraid of people being stranded with no transport. They decided against it but at one point they WERE going to do it
Boogie9IGN
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No Elton John, Snoop Dogg or Paul McCartney videos? Torrents are hating<3 The Who
Spinning Plates
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Eminem said:
There's a great DVD post of this performance in a.b.mpeg.video.music
Filename is Floyd Live8.partxx
Chibbi Brady
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Pink Floyd album sales jumped a whopping 1300% after their performance. Saw a quick Gilmour interview on the news today, the interviewer asked how it was playing together after all this time, he said it was like sleeping with your ex-wife.
The Chosen One said:
That's the sort of stuff I was talking about...what's the point of Canada or the US boosting their financial aid, when the biggest problem with Africa deals with unfair trade and rife corruption? Money won't mean shit as far as dealing with those issues. Frankly Geldoff should've been talking about these issues instead of telling governments to invest even more taxpayer money into a black hole. That's the opportunity that was truly lost here.
:lol No surprise...I doubt the bump in North America is nearly as big since the full set wasn't shown on TV, but I'm sure Floyd's seen a pretty big sales spike. Hell, I'm planning to buy a few Floyd albums myself over the summer.
And there's no point looking down on the musicians for this...this is just a natural occurance, and hell it's why music acts go on tour in the first place. Sales in Toronto for the Rolling Stones and especially AC/DC sales went up huge after the "SARS stock" concert in '03. The shocker would've been the sales remaining flat.
Chibbi Brady said:
:lol Perfectly stated.
such cynicism.
Of course the musicians will get a boost in sales. Of course sponsors will get some good passes.
So what?
The sponsors are there to pay to host the concerts. The musicians are there to get the people. The people are there to show the G8 how important this is.
While I agree that cancelling debt and more aid might not help immediately, its a start. Now they need to channel that aid into building Africa's capacity to sustain itself, to collect taxes, to grow businesses.
And they need to reduce subsidies on agriculture.
If *nothing* else comes of this than the US and EU reduce farm subsidies on Africa-centric crops, encouraging trade, then it will be well worth it.
Of course the musicians will get a boost in sales. Of course sponsors will get some good passes.
So what?
The sponsors are there to pay to host the concerts. The musicians are there to get the people. The people are there to show the G8 how important this is.
While I agree that cancelling debt and more aid might not help immediately, its a start. Now they need to channel that aid into building Africa's capacity to sustain itself, to collect taxes, to grow businesses.
And they need to reduce subsidies on agriculture.
If *nothing* else comes of this than the US and EU reduce farm subsidies on Africa-centric crops, encouraging trade, then it will be well worth it.
I think there's a bit of hypocrisy with those sponsor passes, considering Geldoff was screaming like a raving madman about people putting their free tickets on eBay.
And oddly enough, charitable donations and food banks that some organizations were hoping to hold near the Barrie/Toronto event (and I assume others) were basically disallowed by Geldoff, saying he didn't want the focus to be taken off Africa's plight. In one sense I understand what he's saying, but on the other hand I don't see how someone dropping a tin of beans into a big cardboard box would've been so dramatically different to the message of the day that he/she would've ignored it. Mixed messages such as these can make a person wonder...and that's despite me being far more positive about Geldoff's efforts then negative (I reckon doing SOMETHING is better then the jack shit I've done all my life).
And oddly enough, charitable donations and food banks that some organizations were hoping to hold near the Barrie/Toronto event (and I assume others) were basically disallowed by Geldoff, saying he didn't want the focus to be taken off Africa's plight. In one sense I understand what he's saying, but on the other hand I don't see how someone dropping a tin of beans into a big cardboard box would've been so dramatically different to the message of the day that he/she would've ignored it. Mixed messages such as these can make a person wonder...and that's despite me being far more positive about Geldoff's efforts then negative (I reckon doing SOMETHING is better then the jack shit I've done all my life).
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