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GaimeGuy said:
I have no idea who that is but you just quoted the Raven....
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I have no idea who that is but you just quoted the Raven....
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FortNinety said:
It simply means that Matt and Lita are trying to be cordial, since they'll be working together for the next few months. And I doubt Matt hates Lita anyway...you don't love someone for as long as he did and just make those feelings disappear in an instant.
People try and read too much into shit.
ZombieSupaStar
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raven guy sounds like a typical bitter bret hart fan
and if he thought hbk being totally "born again" was real , then :lol even triple h says he still sees that "angry young man" in hbk.
I for one like hbk when he is a cocky arrogant asshole, thats more him than "praising jesus bible fighter 2k3" that we have for the last 2 years.
and if he thought hbk being totally "born again" was real , then :lol even triple h says he still sees that "angry young man" in hbk.
I for one like hbk when he is a cocky arrogant asshole, thats more him than "praising jesus bible fighter 2k3" that we have for the last 2 years.
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Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
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The best one was them doing the benoit theme.
CHRIS BENOIT IS HERE, AND HE'S REALLY MAD!
:lol
HBK was on some talk show this week...
http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=14918/articles/news
Shit, as if I needed anymore reason to hate Triple Bitch...
HBK was on some talk show this week...
HBK Speaks On Real Beef With Hogan, Bret Hart, & More
Date Added: August 19, 2005
Story By: Dylan Jefferson
Thanks to "The Fiend" from Olympia, WA for sending in the following:
This morning, "The Vocal Minority", typically a Saturday night radio program on Seattle's 100.7 FM KQBZ The Buzz that has been subbing for the vacationing "Robin & Maynard Show", opened the phone lines for people to call in and state whether they agree or disagree with hosts Nick and Steve's claim that wrestling is full of gay overtones. This was to set the stage for their scheduled telephone interview with Shawn Michaels.
A character on the show named "Cousin Brewski", who is a huge wrestling fan, asked HBK about his involvement in the "Montreal Screwjob". HBK claimed that while he was in on the screwjob, he really had no idea how it was all going to go down.HBK also said that Triple H was just as involved in the screwjob as the principle players were.
Brewski also put over "The Mizz" (Brewski is apparently friends with "The Mizz"). HBK said he remembered "The Mizz", but didn't really talk to him much.
Nick and Steve asked HBK if he really had any animosity towards Hulk Hogan. HBK said that he had no animosity towards Hogan because he "understands what he's all about". (Takes one to know one!!)
Nick and Steve then asked HBK if he felt that wrestling was full of gay overtones.lol) HBK said that the majority of WWE's audience is males aged 18-35. HBK then said that wrestling's appeal to the male audience was that the audience could live vicariously through the superstars.
The interview was only about 5 minutes long and there was very little mention of SummerSlam.
http://www.prowrestling.com/news.php?id=14918/articles/news
Shit, as if I needed anymore reason to hate Triple Bitch...
ZombieSupaStar
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He kicks people in the face!....for Jesus!
Thanks.
WHO'S YOUR DADDY, MONTREAL?
On an off-topic note, I think WWE should pump out DVDs of all their televised events starting with Saturday Night Main Event and Tuesday Night Titan in 1984. Pump out the SNMEs, the TNTs, the RAWs, the SDs, and the PPVs. All those thousands of hours of wrestling footage. <3
Perhaps they should wait for Blu-Ray and HD-DVDs to come out before doing this, or even HVDs. (so they dont' have to manufacture so many god damn discs. :lol)
I'd buy them.
WHO'S YOUR DADDY, MONTREAL?
On an off-topic note, I think WWE should pump out DVDs of all their televised events starting with Saturday Night Main Event and Tuesday Night Titan in 1984. Pump out the SNMEs, the TNTs, the RAWs, the SDs, and the PPVs. All those thousands of hours of wrestling footage. <3
Perhaps they should wait for Blu-Ray and HD-DVDs to come out before doing this, or even HVDs. (so they dont' have to manufacture so many god damn discs. :lol)
I'd buy them.
Here's a very good read on the Hogan/Micheals feud:
"Shawn Michaels Has A Chance To Do What Rock Couldn't"
By Wade Keller
from Torch #873 dated 8/6/05
In less than three weeks, Shawn Michaels has the power and the clout to pull off something nobody else has had the gumption to do - intentionally show up Hulk Hogan in a high-profile match.
At Summerslam, Michaels will be more in control of their match than Hogan in many ways. He's the one in charge of bumping, he's the one in charge of selling, he's the one in charge of pacing. He has the power to make Hogan look like he's still got it or make him look like he should have retired years ago. He has the power to encourage a negative response toward Hogan or cut it off before it goes too far.
One wrestler, who did not want to be identified, who knows both Hogan and Michaels well thinks Hogan has finally met his match. "(Michaels) could do the job, yet in the process make Hogan look real bad," he explained to me. "If anybody can do it, it's Michaels. Few guys Hogan has ever faced are as crafty as Michaels."
But what about what happened to Rock, some might ask? Michaels is no Rock, they say? Hogan ate Rock alive, so he could do the same to Michaels, right? Perhaps. Rock pinned Hogan at WrestleMania 18. Nobody talks about the outcome, though. They only talk about the fact that the crowd turned on Rock and cheered Hogan - going against the script of the match.
Rock was a special talent with unmatched charisma. But he was relatively inexperienced compared to Hogan. Rock, backstage after that match, shook his head in amazement and told people that he thought he knew what he was doing, but Hogan showed him that he was still a relative novice at crowd manipulation. Michaels is no novice at anything in wrestling.
"If Rock had been in the wrestling business 20 years (when he faced Hogan), it wouldn't have been a contest," said the wrestler, asserting that in due time Rock would have had the experience necessary to out-Hogan at his own game..
At Summerslam this year, Michaels has a chance to turn the tables on Hogan. Michaels has nothing to lose, either. At this point, Hogan is a part-time, short-term novelty/nostalgia act without the power he once had to crush anyone who he perceived as defying him or threatening him. Michaels is a weekly contributor on WWE TV and could be main eventing WWE PPVs for years to come. Michaels is flat out more valuable to Vince McMahon now than Hogan.
Michaels will probably end up losing the match. That doesn't matter much. Michaels has already framed the match as being not about winning, but about quality of performance. He knows that if he loses, but he turns the crowd against Hogan, the outcome will be as forgotten as Rock pinning Hogan at WrestleMania 18. If Hogan doesn't do things Shawn's way in the match, in a way where Shawn comes out of it just as strong as Hogan, Shawn has the experience to take matters into his own hands. He already might be doing just that.
Michaels took some scripted shots at Hulk Hogan on last week's Raw. Hogan has fired back with semi-scripted digs at Michaels during media interviews since.
On Jimmy Kimmel Live last Friday, Hogan described Michaels as a guy who "tried to pick up the ball and carry it after me, and that didn't work out so well for him." Then he added, with what amounts to a patronizing pat on the head, "But you know, he tried his best... There has always been that jealousy factor from him."
Both guys are taking their digs at each other under the guise of being "pseudo-shoots," utilizing real history to build interest in the match. They have a lot of history to draw from... and to embellish.
Yes, Hogan was the headliner in WWE before Shawn Michaels had his run, but there was a nearly three year gap between Hogan's last reign and the start of Michaels's first. After Hogan lost to Yokozuna in April 1993, first Bret Hart, Bob Backlund, and Diesel (Kevin Nash) passed it around. Sid Vicious and Undertaker also had WWE Title reigns before the Steve Austin-Rock-Mick Foley era began in 1998, almost three years to the day after Michaels first won the belt.
Those three years were not great years for WWE. They also weren't great years for WCW, which featured Hulk Hogan as a headliner. Hogan held the title three times as a babyface in WCW in 1994, 1996, and 1997. It wasn't until the birth of Monday Nitro, the jump of the Outsiders, the formation of the NWO, the Steve Austin-Vince McMahon feud, and the rise of Rock that pro wrestling hit new plateaus. Hogan was a part of it, but not the primary reason for the late-'90s boom.
After leaving WWE and later joining WCW, Hogan helped boost ratings and buyrates, but nowhere near the level that Austin did in WWE a few years later. There were a few instances where WCW could claim victory over WWE in TV ratings and PPV buyrates during the pre-Nitro mid-'90s WCW era. Michaels, though, was not on top of WWE during that time. Bret Hart was.
WWE was promoting itself as home of the New Generation while WCW was promoting itself as the New Number One. WCW had laid the groundwork for Hogan in the year or two before his arrival, such as upgrading television production. They also had kept Ric Flair at a main event level so they could capitalize on that dream feud on pay-per-view for the first time (since WWE didn't feature Hogan vs. Flair on PPV when both were there in the early-'90s).
The real explosion for WCW, though, came when two WWE wrestlers jumped to WCW - Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. WCW was competitive with WWE's flagship Raw during the early months of the Monday Night War, but Hogan's babyface character was losing steam. He had been accused of being uncooperative and overly guarded behind the scenes in WCW, especially during Flair's run as booker in 1995. People said it was time for Hogan to step aside.
Hogan wouldn't have turned heel if he didn't feel he needed to in order to keep his grip on the top rung of pro wrestling's ladder. Rather than fighting Hall and Nash, and potentially being booed against the younger, hipper, savvy heel duo, he joined them. It worked out well.
Michaels, meanwhile, gained the confidence of Vince McMahon through a series of standout matches, opening the doors to workrate being one of the key ingredients in the late-'90s wrestling resurgence. Michaels, perhaps even more than Bret Hart, broke the size barrier for how big a WWE Champion needed to be. Diesel, chosen before Michaels to be the new centerpiece, was still around, but McMahon chose to switch to the smaller, more versatile, more exciting Michaels.
Michaels's top asset - his athleticism - was undercut by his career-threatening back problems. He retired in 1998 after passing the torch to Austin at WrestleMania. Austin then led WWE in overtaking WCW as the ultimate winner of the Monday Night War. Hogan was on the losing team. And he hasn't forgotten it.
When Michaels talks about being the Show Stopper, he is pointing out something Hogan never was. Michaels didn't draw the numbers that Hogan did, but he didn't have Hogan's height, muscles, or mainstream media recognition. Michaels's several WWE Title reigns came during a time of transition for WWE. Box office records weren't set, but his matches are still talked about as some of the best of the '90s. He helped attract a new generation of fans to a product that had become stale and passe.
Hogan may not be able to get his symbolic win over Austin inside the ring, but now is his chance to get one on Michaels. Although Michaels didn't defeat him in any major box office contests, Michaels - like Ric Flair - has earned a level of respect from his peers and fans that Hogan will never have. Hogan's comments in mainstream media interviews this week reveal it still eats him up inside when people talk about anyone other than him as the sole reason for pro wrestling's survival over the last 25 years.
Hogan masterfully manipulated the crowd at WrestleMania 18. Rock at that time was a huge star, but by no means did he have the experience that Michaels does going into Summerslam this month. Michaels may be covertly, through his tweener interviews, hoping to set the stage to turn the crowd against script just as Hogan did against Rock. Then again, covertly may be too strong a word, given his scathing satirical impersonation of him on Raw this week.
"There's a part of Shawn that if he wants to make you look really bad, he can," explaned the wrestler, who has been around Michaels a lot over the years. "I'm not sure if it's still in his being to be that way, though." The Shawn Michaels of eight years ago would have been looking for a way to make news and plead innocence, just as he did at Survivor Series 1997. Today's Born Again version of Michaels, the more mature, calmer Michaels may be looking to do "what's right" and not make waves, playing the role of the latest "icon" to fall to Hogan's legdrop, then hug and shake hands with him afterward, and move on.
There are signs, though, that Michaels isn't all about doing whatever Hogan wants. Hogan recently suggested that Michaels superkick Hogan's son, Nick, during their match. Hogan might have had two motives for suggesting that. One, put Nick in the spotlight in a big match to add to his profile and give his son a special memory. Two, to be sure the crowd turned against Michaels by being a "true heel," rather than a tweener who fans deep down may like more than Hogan. (Of course, superkicking Nasty Nick could turn Michaels babyface, too, depending on how fans who are watching "Hogan Knows Best" feel about Nick.)
It should be noted that Hogan and Michaels's aren't best pals. They have very little in common, either currently or in their pasts. They've been on different tracks most of their careers. Hogan never perceived Michaels as a threat, therefore he never cozied up to him. Nor were they ever fierce rivals for the top spot in the same company. When Michaels was on top, Hogan was elsewhere.
So at Summerslam, Michaels may give Hogan a receipt for his harsh words in mainstream media interviews this week and for his powertrips of the past. He may also want the respect of his peers for doing what Rock couldn't do and what others wouldn't do - expose Hogan's weaknesses rather than use his own strengths to cover them up.
Michaels is in a no-lose situation. He is supposed to be booed, he's supposed to lose clean. Everyone expects it. If anything different happens, either through Michaels's deliberate yet deviously subtle craftiness or through the sheer will of an unpredictable Washington D.C. crowd, Summerslam 2005 will be remembered for years as an occasion where Hogan was beaten at his own game by one of this generation's best.
Hogan isn't facing someone with a desire to be seen as a bigger star to the masses. He's facing someone whose place in history as a great worker is tantamount. Part of being a great worker is being in control of every situation you encounter in the ring. Michaels has a chance to make Hogan look good and bad at various times, just to show he can. Michaels has a chance to lead the crowd in whatever direction he wants. If Hogan's offense looks lame, and Michaels feeds that perception rather than deflects it, the crowd could quickly sour on Hogan.
It all might come down to the respect Hogan shows Michaels the night of the show. Does he make unreasonable demands at the last second? Does he attempt to veto several of Michaels's ideas at the last second, just because they don't help him? Hogan could get away with that in the past without having to think twice. Old habits die hard. He may know no other way. Michaels may be in no mood to be a doormat to whatever Hogan's thinks is best.
The dynamic in the match will be as fascinating to watch as any match in years. There's a lot that can go on in that match that few sets of eyes will be able to perceive acutely right away. Both wrestlers may play the "plausible deniability" game with each other along the way. The head games will continue past the bell to end the match, with body language and gestures.
Rock may have been in awe of Hogan. Michaels won't be. In the end, Michaels wants Hogan to be in awe of him. There are several ways to accomplish that. Which will he choose?
"Shawn Michaels Has A Chance To Do What Rock Couldn't"
By Wade Keller
from Torch #873 dated 8/6/05
In less than three weeks, Shawn Michaels has the power and the clout to pull off something nobody else has had the gumption to do - intentionally show up Hulk Hogan in a high-profile match.
At Summerslam, Michaels will be more in control of their match than Hogan in many ways. He's the one in charge of bumping, he's the one in charge of selling, he's the one in charge of pacing. He has the power to make Hogan look like he's still got it or make him look like he should have retired years ago. He has the power to encourage a negative response toward Hogan or cut it off before it goes too far.
One wrestler, who did not want to be identified, who knows both Hogan and Michaels well thinks Hogan has finally met his match. "(Michaels) could do the job, yet in the process make Hogan look real bad," he explained to me. "If anybody can do it, it's Michaels. Few guys Hogan has ever faced are as crafty as Michaels."
But what about what happened to Rock, some might ask? Michaels is no Rock, they say? Hogan ate Rock alive, so he could do the same to Michaels, right? Perhaps. Rock pinned Hogan at WrestleMania 18. Nobody talks about the outcome, though. They only talk about the fact that the crowd turned on Rock and cheered Hogan - going against the script of the match.
Rock was a special talent with unmatched charisma. But he was relatively inexperienced compared to Hogan. Rock, backstage after that match, shook his head in amazement and told people that he thought he knew what he was doing, but Hogan showed him that he was still a relative novice at crowd manipulation. Michaels is no novice at anything in wrestling.
"If Rock had been in the wrestling business 20 years (when he faced Hogan), it wouldn't have been a contest," said the wrestler, asserting that in due time Rock would have had the experience necessary to out-Hogan at his own game..
At Summerslam this year, Michaels has a chance to turn the tables on Hogan. Michaels has nothing to lose, either. At this point, Hogan is a part-time, short-term novelty/nostalgia act without the power he once had to crush anyone who he perceived as defying him or threatening him. Michaels is a weekly contributor on WWE TV and could be main eventing WWE PPVs for years to come. Michaels is flat out more valuable to Vince McMahon now than Hogan.
Michaels will probably end up losing the match. That doesn't matter much. Michaels has already framed the match as being not about winning, but about quality of performance. He knows that if he loses, but he turns the crowd against Hogan, the outcome will be as forgotten as Rock pinning Hogan at WrestleMania 18. If Hogan doesn't do things Shawn's way in the match, in a way where Shawn comes out of it just as strong as Hogan, Shawn has the experience to take matters into his own hands. He already might be doing just that.
Michaels took some scripted shots at Hulk Hogan on last week's Raw. Hogan has fired back with semi-scripted digs at Michaels during media interviews since.
On Jimmy Kimmel Live last Friday, Hogan described Michaels as a guy who "tried to pick up the ball and carry it after me, and that didn't work out so well for him." Then he added, with what amounts to a patronizing pat on the head, "But you know, he tried his best... There has always been that jealousy factor from him."
Both guys are taking their digs at each other under the guise of being "pseudo-shoots," utilizing real history to build interest in the match. They have a lot of history to draw from... and to embellish.
Yes, Hogan was the headliner in WWE before Shawn Michaels had his run, but there was a nearly three year gap between Hogan's last reign and the start of Michaels's first. After Hogan lost to Yokozuna in April 1993, first Bret Hart, Bob Backlund, and Diesel (Kevin Nash) passed it around. Sid Vicious and Undertaker also had WWE Title reigns before the Steve Austin-Rock-Mick Foley era began in 1998, almost three years to the day after Michaels first won the belt.
Those three years were not great years for WWE. They also weren't great years for WCW, which featured Hulk Hogan as a headliner. Hogan held the title three times as a babyface in WCW in 1994, 1996, and 1997. It wasn't until the birth of Monday Nitro, the jump of the Outsiders, the formation of the NWO, the Steve Austin-Vince McMahon feud, and the rise of Rock that pro wrestling hit new plateaus. Hogan was a part of it, but not the primary reason for the late-'90s boom.
After leaving WWE and later joining WCW, Hogan helped boost ratings and buyrates, but nowhere near the level that Austin did in WWE a few years later. There were a few instances where WCW could claim victory over WWE in TV ratings and PPV buyrates during the pre-Nitro mid-'90s WCW era. Michaels, though, was not on top of WWE during that time. Bret Hart was.
WWE was promoting itself as home of the New Generation while WCW was promoting itself as the New Number One. WCW had laid the groundwork for Hogan in the year or two before his arrival, such as upgrading television production. They also had kept Ric Flair at a main event level so they could capitalize on that dream feud on pay-per-view for the first time (since WWE didn't feature Hogan vs. Flair on PPV when both were there in the early-'90s).
The real explosion for WCW, though, came when two WWE wrestlers jumped to WCW - Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. WCW was competitive with WWE's flagship Raw during the early months of the Monday Night War, but Hogan's babyface character was losing steam. He had been accused of being uncooperative and overly guarded behind the scenes in WCW, especially during Flair's run as booker in 1995. People said it was time for Hogan to step aside.
Hogan wouldn't have turned heel if he didn't feel he needed to in order to keep his grip on the top rung of pro wrestling's ladder. Rather than fighting Hall and Nash, and potentially being booed against the younger, hipper, savvy heel duo, he joined them. It worked out well.
Michaels, meanwhile, gained the confidence of Vince McMahon through a series of standout matches, opening the doors to workrate being one of the key ingredients in the late-'90s wrestling resurgence. Michaels, perhaps even more than Bret Hart, broke the size barrier for how big a WWE Champion needed to be. Diesel, chosen before Michaels to be the new centerpiece, was still around, but McMahon chose to switch to the smaller, more versatile, more exciting Michaels.
Michaels's top asset - his athleticism - was undercut by his career-threatening back problems. He retired in 1998 after passing the torch to Austin at WrestleMania. Austin then led WWE in overtaking WCW as the ultimate winner of the Monday Night War. Hogan was on the losing team. And he hasn't forgotten it.
When Michaels talks about being the Show Stopper, he is pointing out something Hogan never was. Michaels didn't draw the numbers that Hogan did, but he didn't have Hogan's height, muscles, or mainstream media recognition. Michaels's several WWE Title reigns came during a time of transition for WWE. Box office records weren't set, but his matches are still talked about as some of the best of the '90s. He helped attract a new generation of fans to a product that had become stale and passe.
Hogan may not be able to get his symbolic win over Austin inside the ring, but now is his chance to get one on Michaels. Although Michaels didn't defeat him in any major box office contests, Michaels - like Ric Flair - has earned a level of respect from his peers and fans that Hogan will never have. Hogan's comments in mainstream media interviews this week reveal it still eats him up inside when people talk about anyone other than him as the sole reason for pro wrestling's survival over the last 25 years.
Hogan masterfully manipulated the crowd at WrestleMania 18. Rock at that time was a huge star, but by no means did he have the experience that Michaels does going into Summerslam this month. Michaels may be covertly, through his tweener interviews, hoping to set the stage to turn the crowd against script just as Hogan did against Rock. Then again, covertly may be too strong a word, given his scathing satirical impersonation of him on Raw this week.
"There's a part of Shawn that if he wants to make you look really bad, he can," explaned the wrestler, who has been around Michaels a lot over the years. "I'm not sure if it's still in his being to be that way, though." The Shawn Michaels of eight years ago would have been looking for a way to make news and plead innocence, just as he did at Survivor Series 1997. Today's Born Again version of Michaels, the more mature, calmer Michaels may be looking to do "what's right" and not make waves, playing the role of the latest "icon" to fall to Hogan's legdrop, then hug and shake hands with him afterward, and move on.
There are signs, though, that Michaels isn't all about doing whatever Hogan wants. Hogan recently suggested that Michaels superkick Hogan's son, Nick, during their match. Hogan might have had two motives for suggesting that. One, put Nick in the spotlight in a big match to add to his profile and give his son a special memory. Two, to be sure the crowd turned against Michaels by being a "true heel," rather than a tweener who fans deep down may like more than Hogan. (Of course, superkicking Nasty Nick could turn Michaels babyface, too, depending on how fans who are watching "Hogan Knows Best" feel about Nick.)
It should be noted that Hogan and Michaels's aren't best pals. They have very little in common, either currently or in their pasts. They've been on different tracks most of their careers. Hogan never perceived Michaels as a threat, therefore he never cozied up to him. Nor were they ever fierce rivals for the top spot in the same company. When Michaels was on top, Hogan was elsewhere.
So at Summerslam, Michaels may give Hogan a receipt for his harsh words in mainstream media interviews this week and for his powertrips of the past. He may also want the respect of his peers for doing what Rock couldn't do and what others wouldn't do - expose Hogan's weaknesses rather than use his own strengths to cover them up.
Michaels is in a no-lose situation. He is supposed to be booed, he's supposed to lose clean. Everyone expects it. If anything different happens, either through Michaels's deliberate yet deviously subtle craftiness or through the sheer will of an unpredictable Washington D.C. crowd, Summerslam 2005 will be remembered for years as an occasion where Hogan was beaten at his own game by one of this generation's best.
Hogan isn't facing someone with a desire to be seen as a bigger star to the masses. He's facing someone whose place in history as a great worker is tantamount. Part of being a great worker is being in control of every situation you encounter in the ring. Michaels has a chance to make Hogan look good and bad at various times, just to show he can. Michaels has a chance to lead the crowd in whatever direction he wants. If Hogan's offense looks lame, and Michaels feeds that perception rather than deflects it, the crowd could quickly sour on Hogan.
It all might come down to the respect Hogan shows Michaels the night of the show. Does he make unreasonable demands at the last second? Does he attempt to veto several of Michaels's ideas at the last second, just because they don't help him? Hogan could get away with that in the past without having to think twice. Old habits die hard. He may know no other way. Michaels may be in no mood to be a doormat to whatever Hogan's thinks is best.
The dynamic in the match will be as fascinating to watch as any match in years. There's a lot that can go on in that match that few sets of eyes will be able to perceive acutely right away. Both wrestlers may play the "plausible deniability" game with each other along the way. The head games will continue past the bell to end the match, with body language and gestures.
Rock may have been in awe of Hogan. Michaels won't be. In the end, Michaels wants Hogan to be in awe of him. There are several ways to accomplish that. Which will he choose?
Nameless
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Man I watched this for the third time and its STILL not old, no doube one of the all-time classic promos in WWE/F history. It was masterful, vintage HBK to the core. HBK has been my favorite wrestler for damn near 12 years and what the man has done this year is exactly why. If you were choosing a "match of the year" for 2005 its basically a "pick em" between HBK's two matches with Kurt and his Gold Rush tourny match against Shelton. If you were going to select a top/most shocking moment it would almost have to be HBK's unpredictable heel turn when he gave Hogan SCM. And lastly, if you had to pick a best promo its no doubt HBK's promo from last Monday, with his Parody of Hogan a couple weeks back coming in second. Face it, this has been HBK's year.
But as an HBK fan I can admit that over the past few years his character hasn't really offered nothing special, but hes remained over and a top superstar by putting on IMO the matches of the year in each of the last 3 years. Either is Raw match for HHH or his WM19 match against Y2J in 2k3, The Triple threat match at WM 20 in 2004, and the three aforementioned matches this year. Hell, you can even go back as far as 2002 and make a case for his SSslam match against the game. But as hes shown in the past and over the past 6 weeks, there is NOTHING like the heel HBK, with only The Rock and Old School Flair as heels coming close IMO..
I've been claiming that HBK is the greatest wrestler to ever step foot in the ring for a damn long time, but still, HBK just makes my case that much stronger week after week. When he "retired" because of his back, I just hoped he would come back and wrestle one day on an annual or semi-annual basis, I really wasnt' looking for more. The fact that he has come back pretty much full-time and IMO has once again reached the point where he can be called the top worker in the entire company is just remarkable.
But as an HBK fan I can admit that over the past few years his character hasn't really offered nothing special, but hes remained over and a top superstar by putting on IMO the matches of the year in each of the last 3 years. Either is Raw match for HHH or his WM19 match against Y2J in 2k3, The Triple threat match at WM 20 in 2004, and the three aforementioned matches this year. Hell, you can even go back as far as 2002 and make a case for his SSslam match against the game. But as hes shown in the past and over the past 6 weeks, there is NOTHING like the heel HBK, with only The Rock and Old School Flair as heels coming close IMO..
I've been claiming that HBK is the greatest wrestler to ever step foot in the ring for a damn long time, but still, HBK just makes my case that much stronger week after week. When he "retired" because of his back, I just hoped he would come back and wrestle one day on an annual or semi-annual basis, I really wasnt' looking for more. The fact that he has come back pretty much full-time and IMO has once again reached the point where he can be called the top worker in the entire company is just remarkable.
Nameless said:
His return match against HHH at summerslam in 2002 was PURE HBK. EVERYTHING he was famous for. He did cross bodies from the turnbuckle outside of the ring. flying Elbows. Ladders. They put EVERYTHING in it. I was amazed how he didn't seem to lose anything even after about 3.5 years out of action.
The Bookerman
Member
HBK AS A HEEL for WWE CHAMP TITLE RUN PLZ.
That editorial was pretty cool, but it left out one significant fact regarding the Rock/Hogan match. It happened in Toronto, with a crowd that's been cheering and booing whoever the fuck we want since 1997. Couple that with the fact that Hulk hadn't wrestled a match in Toronto in a decade, and the writing for that match was on the wall long before the opening bell. Hogan could've wrestled Pope John fucking Paul that night, and he would've gotten the cheers. That's just the way we are.
If that match had happened in any venue in the US (save for MSG), Rock probably would've gotten his cheers, while Hogan got his boos.
Basically, I think Hogan's getting too much credit in that writeup for drawing cheers that night. That's like giving Bret credit for the cheers he got on Nitro in '99, when fans were chanting his name some 90 minutes before he even showed up.
The rest of the article is spot on though...there's defintely an underlying element to this Hogan/Michaels match, for a whole host of reasons. And HBK does indeed have the power to make Hogan look like a wrestling god, or a complete and utter bitch.
If that match had happened in any venue in the US (save for MSG), Rock probably would've gotten his cheers, while Hogan got his boos.
Basically, I think Hogan's getting too much credit in that writeup for drawing cheers that night. That's like giving Bret credit for the cheers he got on Nitro in '99, when fans were chanting his name some 90 minutes before he even showed up.
The rest of the article is spot on though...there's defintely an underlying element to this Hogan/Michaels match, for a whole host of reasons. And HBK does indeed have the power to make Hogan look like a wrestling god, or a complete and utter bitch.
Heel HBK should be unified champion right now. Angle, Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho and Christian should be in the title picture and as for everyone else, they're either a capable wrestler like Benjamin or Mysterio and in the IC and cruiser weight title picture or part of a capable tag term such as the Dudley’s (re-hire them), or they're stuck on velocity and heat. But noooo, trash is emphasised over talent.
GaimeGuy said:
Well HBK's got some motivation here...because the best I've ever seen Hogan in a ring was on Nitro in late '98, and it was against none other then Bret Hart. :lol Hogan actually looked like an amatuer wrestler in this match, something that blew my mind away.
Of course it was only for about five minutes, and it was a weird match anyway (the whole thing was setup for Bret to take out Sting...yep, this was WCW booking at it's er, best), so somehow HBK has to carry Hogan to a 12 to 15 minute spectacle without his back falling apart. It'll be one hell of a challenge, but he's probably more equipped then anyone currently wrestling to do it.
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