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What Needs To Be A Downloadable Game? #9 - Tony Hawk Classic (1 & 2)
http://www.gamerbytes.com/2008/07/not_done_what_needs_to_be_a_do_1.php
http://www.gamerbytes.com/2008/07/not_done_what_needs_to_be_a_do_1.php
Darkflight
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Oh god, TH2 would be amazing, being British, I never played the Xbox 1 TH2 that only came out in America, so I'd love that to be released, though straight ports of 1 and 2 with acheivements would be fantastic too.Rlan said:
I have TH2 on my pc and I still play it occasionally, best soundtrack of all of them, best levels, far more memorable than the others, best unlockable character in Spider-Man, just missing the revert which I do come to miss after playing some of the new ones. I wonder if 2 will work in Vista, I may have to try and find it and reinstall it this weekend.
Rlan said:
Well, since we are not including the PC in this discussion, I should point out that 3 Tony Hawk Titles are available as Downloadable entities.
Tony Hawk 1 DC Version
http://www.gametap.com/play/gameDetails/130002450
Tony Hawk 3
http://www.gametap.com/play/gameDetails/000439950
Tony Hawk 4
http://www.gametap.com/play/gameDetails/000439850
Anyway, just discovered a bunch of new achievement lists
Rocketbowl
http://www.achieve360points.com/game/rocketbowl/
Gin Rummy
http://www.achieve360points.com/game/ginrummy/
Pirates Vs. Ninja Dodgeball
http://www.achieve360points.com/game/piratesvsninjasdodgeball/
New Xbox.com Splash Page: Golf: Tee It Up
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/golfteeitupxboxlivearcade/default.htm
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/g/golfteeitupxboxlivearcade/default.htm
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
Geometry Wars II is all I can think of since the achievements were released.
I have off the top of my head games I'm looking forward too trying out, any out soon?
Castle Crashers
Geomerty Wars II
Dishwasher Samuria
Bionic Commando Rearmed
RoketRiot
Braid
Vigenantie 8
Go! Go! Break Steady
Golf: Tee It Up
Pirates Vs. Ninjas Dodgeball
Plunder
Gin Rummey
Schizoid
and whatever happened to
Loderunner
Galaxtrix
Puzzle Quest Expansion
and the N+ DLC
Castle Crashers
Geomerty Wars II
Dishwasher Samuria
Bionic Commando Rearmed
RoketRiot
Braid
Vigenantie 8
Go! Go! Break Steady
Golf: Tee It Up
Pirates Vs. Ninjas Dodgeball
Plunder
Gin Rummey
Schizoid
and whatever happened to
Loderunner
Galaxtrix
Puzzle Quest Expansion
and the N+ DLC
So I've played a few hours worth of Soul Calibur and got all the achievements and here is what I noticed.
- Sound quality looks to have taken a hit, I can notice it sometimes.
- Despite running in high res the graphics don't looks quite right, it don't seem as clear or vibrant as the Dreamcast version.
- Mission mode is gone.
- Opening movie & opening movie direction are gone.
- Slight moments where it stutters, this is very rare.
- Music starts over when it ends, no seemless looping like Dreamcast.
- Mip mapping is gone. I miss it since it gave the floor a kind of depth of field effect.
- Rumble was weak on the Dreamcast version but it's not even here at all.
- Music starts playing during the loading screen, not sure why they did this.
- Faster loading, not that the Dreamcast version was slow by any means.
It's still a great port but not a perfect one, I'd say the Dreamcast version + VGA cable is still the way to go. Lack of online mode don't bother me as fighting games are not ready to be online or shall I say online is not ready for fighting games. Lack of widescreen is a bit of a bummer. At 800 points the price is right and I'd recommend it.
- Sound quality looks to have taken a hit, I can notice it sometimes.
- Despite running in high res the graphics don't looks quite right, it don't seem as clear or vibrant as the Dreamcast version.
- Mission mode is gone.
- Opening movie & opening movie direction are gone.
- Slight moments where it stutters, this is very rare.
- Music starts over when it ends, no seemless looping like Dreamcast.
- Mip mapping is gone. I miss it since it gave the floor a kind of depth of field effect.
- Rumble was weak on the Dreamcast version but it's not even here at all.
- Music starts playing during the loading screen, not sure why they did this.
- Faster loading, not that the Dreamcast version was slow by any means.
It's still a great port but not a perfect one, I'd say the Dreamcast version + VGA cable is still the way to go. Lack of online mode don't bother me as fighting games are not ready to be online or shall I say online is not ready for fighting games. Lack of widescreen is a bit of a bummer. At 800 points the price is right and I'd recommend it.
Crab Milk Mickey
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How can you even sincerely say that it's a great port when Namco has been so lazy, yet again? Especially now that you've written that list?Xav said:
Soul Calibur is the easiest 200/200 I've ever seen.
Beat the game on Ultra Hard? Just set the time and health to infinite with one round to win. Now the only way to win is by ring out.
Extra Survival? Cervantes Torpedo 25 times in a row. The computer never blocks it.
I think those are the only ones people have problems with. Summon Suffering can also be done in versus mode if you keep getting knocked out of it.
Beat the game on Ultra Hard? Just set the time and health to infinite with one round to win. Now the only way to win is by ring out.
Extra Survival? Cervantes Torpedo 25 times in a row. The computer never blocks it.
I think those are the only ones people have problems with. Summon Suffering can also be done in versus mode if you keep getting knocked out of it.
Crab Milk Mickey
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You yourself however said that a much older version (which came out years ago) beats the Soul Calibur that Namco put up on Xbox Live Arcade.Xav said:
I wasn't implying that the gameplay was worse than before, but rather that Namco seemingly screwed up easy another portjob (hence why I emphasized port with italics in my previous post).
I'm gonna bet all my 3 socks that the mission mode will re-appear in the XBLA version as DLC you have to pay for. Namco seems to take too much pleasure from abusing DLC *glances at Ace Combat 6 and Beautiful Katamari*.
Besides the lack of mission mode, how did they mess it up? I don't think it's fair to expect proper widescreen support or online play for something which is just an emulation. (just look at some of the awful arcade emulations on XBLA with online play and widescreen support... they might as well have not bothered)MicVlaD said:
Crab Milk Mickey
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Look at some of the points in Xav's list. This should've been an easy port, yet Namco went out of its way to remove some features and compress the sound, among other things. And I agree with you: it's pretty likely that Namco would sell the Mission Mode as 'new' DLC too.Sectus said:
I personally don't care about borders in Xbox Live Arcade games (it's not hard to ignore them even if they would've bothered me), but there's no excuse why they couldn't have added an online mode. Other companies have done it for their XBLA games (granted: most are pretty bad in this regard), but they already have some experience to create an online infrastructure for a beat 'em up. See Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection, not to mention Soul Calibur IV.
I really wanted to buy Soul Calibur since I never owned the DC version, but I don't see any reason why I should quite frankly. Namco just wanted to make a quick buck instead of spending some time making a quality port, and I for one am not going to 'support' them for that.
Well, I did look at his list, but I don't agree with most of the points. I'm pretty sure the sound quality was equally bad in the original. If he doesn't like highres, just play in 480p like in the DC version. And the other points are so minor I don't really care.MicVlaD said:
And regarding online play, this is an emulation. Adding online play to an emulated game is pretty much a lost cause, there's really no good way to get around the inevitable latency. The best solution would obviously have been to create this as a true port and get the source code from the original to work natively with the 360, but that kind of luxury isn't something I'm expecting. I think there's only 2 old games on XBLA which are ports and not emulations (Doom and Marathon (and they even managed to mess up the netcode for Doom...))
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
This is not true. There is an entire community centered around this (GGPO), and I've heard their new netcode is fantastic.Sectus said:
SapientWolf said:
Yes, but GGPO is powered by wizards. It takes a lot technical know-how to get something like that working and this goes back to Namco probably being lazy about the port.
As someone who picked up Soul Calibur XBLA, it's not a bad port at all and I think a lot of the complaints come from the ol' rose tinted glasses. This is a 9 year old game, so it's probably not going to look as good as you remember it. It's still the best playing (ie: least broken) in the series, so $10 bucks isn't a bad deal, especially if you have friends to play with. I still don't understand why Mission Mode is missing though.
And this is coming from Mr. Serious Cat
After reading a bit about GGPO, even that seems to be flawed. From what I gather it works by making the client's emulation instantly react to the user's input, but once a desync is detected the client will "rollback" to the server's state. The higher the ping, the more rollbacks you'll experience. To compensate for that, you can increase "frame delay" which I'm assuming will make it play like other emulated games with online play (in other words, like crap).SapientWolf said:
There's also the chance a system like that won't work with a Dreamcast emulation at all depending on how much data is required to send for a re-sync.
Anyway, I strongly believe that any developer trying to add network code to an emulated game should slap themselves with a frying pan and just try to get the original source code instead. You can make a looooooot better netcode if you can write in the game's actual code.
Sectus said:
It's not. Having played hundreds of matches across Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Marvel vs Capcom, GGPO is as perfect as it gets. It even uploads your replays to the website, which then plays in your browser while tapping into your emulation files.
I wasn't joking when I said it was made possible by wizards
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Capcom needs to hire/kidnap them for SFIV/SSFHD. Valve had the right idea when they started hiring members of the mod community.Mr Jared said:It's not. Having played hundreds of matches across Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Marvel vs Capcom, GGPO is as perfect as it gets. It even uploads your replays to the website, which then plays in your browser while tapping into your emulation files.
I wasn't joking when I said it was made possible by wizards
The fact is, arcades are dead and the fighting community is scattered in the wind. So the only chance at getting some decent comp is through online, unless there is some underground fight club I don't know about in my neighborhood.
What kind of ping do you usually play with? Do you feel you're able to properly react to the opponent's moves at close range or do you predict the opponent's moves? How often do you experience rollbacks?Mr Jared said:It's not. Having played hundreds of matches across Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Marvel vs Capcom, GGPO is as perfect as it gets. It even uploads your replays to the website, which then plays in your browser while tapping into your emulation files.
I wasn't joking when I said it was made possible by wizards
Sorry for being skeptical, but good netcode for an emulation just isn't supposed to be possible even when wizards are involved.
Sectus said:What kind of ping do you usually play with? Do you feel you're able to properly react to the opponent's moves at close range or do you predict the opponent's moves? How often do you experience rollbacks?
Sorry for being skeptical, but good netcode for an emulation just isn't supposed to be possible even when wizards are involved.
I can vouch for Mr Jared and say that GGPO is un-fucking-believable! If you are on a broadboand connection with at least 3mb down, and your ping is less than 300, I kid you not 9 times out of 10 you will NOT notice lag! Whether it's MvC, KoF, SS2, or 3s, they all play as if the dude is sitting right next to you in your living room.
But a new kid on the block just stepped up to the plate and his name is *2DF*
2DF is arguably just as good or better than GGPO, and supports a SHITLOAD more games!I keep telling you guys to shitcan your consoles and get into PC gaming. It's PARADISE over here!
This week's releases are Golf: Tee It Up! and Schizoid. 800 points each. (Posting this because Shard is banned).
http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/07/07/this-week-on-arcade-golf-tee-it-up-and-schizoid.aspx
http://majornelson.com/archive/2008/07/07/this-week-on-arcade-golf-tee-it-up-and-schizoid.aspx
Steverulez
Member
Archie said:
Why is Shard banned?!?!?
AstroLad said:Don't you have HSG5 Gowans? Get the new course and characters instead.
I know I know Astrolad, that lack of voice annoys me to know end tho as I love to dribble on in game.
I was hoping Tee it up would be a similar game with course creation etc. but nothings been released about it.
I'll check out the demo but if its just a basic clone I'll stick with Hot Shots.
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