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blame space said:
I think you just killed your own argument with this oversight. If CC were released on a disc (which is TRULY yours forever), I highly doubt there would be this backlash.
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It's yours for as long as you own your 360 (no different from any other game you own), and possibly with MS next console allowing us to transfer our XBLA games to their next console. I honestly don't see what the difference is between a disc and a download in that regard. I still have my old Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, and a buch of demos for Dreamcast, but guess what, I don't have a Dreamcast anymore and I never will ever again. Is that Grandia II disc I have in my closet any good to me as entertainment now?
 
blame space said:
I think you just killed your own argument with this oversight. If CC were released on a disc (which is TRULY yours forever), I highly doubt there would be this backlash.
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GT5P wasn't any cheaper on the PSN store than it was in the shops. Albums aren't generally cheaper on iTunes than they are in the shops. It doesn't work like that.
 
HolyStar said:
What, only good things worth getting be Braid and CC. I only have 800, and wanted this game, but looks like I have to take a pass I do.
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I dunno about that. Bionic Command Rearmed has way too much going for it. Dunno about Galaga. Either way i'm hoping I can get both BC and CC with 1600 points. Only have 1710.
 
Teknoman said:
I dunno about that. Bionic Command Rearmed has way too much going for it. Dunno about Galaga. Either way i'm hoping I can get both BC and CC with 1600 points. Only have 1710.
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No way in hell. =\
 
Teknoman said:
Im remaining optimistic. Hominid was 800...and it is The Behemoth. Bionic Commando was already 800pts confirmed right?
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Hominid was a port of a PS2 game. Castle Crashers has at least two to three times the content of AH and has been in development for three years. There's simply no way it's below 1200 and even that's pushing it. I guarantee it.

I was hoping to pay 3600 for the remaining four big summer titles, but it's going to be 800 more than that, I think.

Bionic Commando is 800.
 
I hope Braid demo will show enoough of the game. It really starts to shine from World 3 (which is te second one, as I presume World 1 is the start "menu-world"), and if they'll put in the demo only World 2, it will seem like a platform game with some Sands of Time elements, which this game absolutely isn't.
 
Hmm, I was hoping for Braid to be 800 but I can't say I have too many complaints about it being 1200, it doesn't affect my decision to buy it much although if I do like it, I will probably wait until Castle Crashers is out before buying it incase I can afford say BCR/Galaga/CC or having to choose between Braid and maybe 2 of those.

I hope Castle Crashers will be 800pts too but if its 1200 i'll still get it (if I enjoy the demo)
 
That's £7.41 with the cheap Tesco XBLM points I bought so that sounds pretty reasonable to me. I think it's a shame that a lot of people will undoubtably pass on it at 1200 points though.
 
I mean im not saying I wont buy CC if its good and is more than 800 points (really looking forward to it) but looking at Bionic Commando Rearmed and some of the other titles, then comparing prices...c'mon.
 
Teknoman said:
I mean im not saying I wont buy CC if its good and is more than 800 points (really looking forward to it) but looking at Bionic Commando Rearmed and some of the other titles, then comparing prices...c'mon.
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and yet i will probably buy braid and not bionic commando. huh go figure.
 
IGN review of Braid:

http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/896/896371p1.html


9.0 Presentation
The world plays out like a twisted fairy tale and even the hub world feels like a piece of a larger puzzle.
8.5 Graphics
It's like playing through a watercolor painting. Haunting, beautiful, and magical.
8.0 Sound
The music is enchanting, which is important, since there is little in the way of other sounds.
9.0 Gameplay
Highly imaginative puzzles that will give you brain a workout. This is unlike any other game on Xbox 360.
6.0 Lasting Appeal
Great minds will be able to get through fairly quickly. Though there is a Speed Run option after beating Braid, there is little incentive to come back for seconds.
8.8 OVERALL
Great
 
Dark Octave said:
Time to give you guys a little perspective. I posted this in the Castle Crashers' price thread and the same holds true for Braid as well. And all original XBLA games are in HD, and some have MP.

Patapon (PSP): Worth $20.


Some random match-three game (PC): Worth $20.


Castle Crashers (XBLA): Not worth $20??


It's crazy that you complain about the price of something you get to keep forever that may cost $15-$20, then turn around and spend $15-$20 on a pizza, a movie for two, sushi, a haircut, a steak, or anything that will be gone in the next few hours/days. Yet a game that's yours forever, isn't worth $20?

Wow.
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Minus the fact that you actually own a copy of Patapon or whatever PC game that was. The fact that this is DLC AND 20 dollars is ridiculous and I feel the more this game sells the more MS will think about maybe throwing in some extra "content" in their games and jacking up the price, whether the "content" is good or not.

Also sometimes I get sick of games, I can sell Patapon on ebay and make some money back for another purchase, how exactly am I supposed to sell Castle Crashers when I beat it?
 
YagizY said:
Minus the fact that you actually own a copy of Patapon or whatever PC game that was. The fact that this is DLC AND 20 dollars is ridiculous and I feel the more this game sells the more MS will think about maybe throwing in some extra "content" in their games and jacking up the price, whether the "content" is good or not.

Also sometimes I get sick of games, I can sell Patapon on ebay and make some money back for another purchase, how exactly am I supposed to sell Castle Crashers when I beat it?
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Wait, where did he buy the PC game?

I mean, how different is Steam from XBLA?
 
Psychotext said:
Is it ok if those of us that don't sell our games after completing them think this looks like pretty good value?
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Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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Let's see then. What does your five dollars get you then.

Hm.

Okay, a compelling story. Okay, let's venture out into the real world and compare. Okay. I bought a comic book that cost three dollars. I finished reading it in about 12 minutes. Braid takes about three hours to finish.

Hey, I think I found my five bucks!
 
YagizY said:
No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.
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Yeah... I've bought full retail titles that lasted under 8 hours and paid £40 for the privilege. I can totally see what you're saying about this £8 game.

Wait... what?
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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If buying Castle Crashers is being "ripped off" then I'm more than happy with being ripped off.
 
YagizY said:
Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars.
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This is the main thing I am on the fence about too, but we still have no idea how much content is in the game, so I can't see how you're making this decision at this point in time.
 
Greatest hits on the PS2 were $20. It's about as cheap as it gets for decent experiences. If $15 or $20 nets me better experiences digitally, I'm all for it. Bring em on.
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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Its not really a rip off actually. Guardian Heroes is a similar quality game, people pay upwards of 50 dollars for the game, yet Castle Crashers still has (I think) more content plus online and offline multiplayer co-op.
 
Chiaroscuro said:
As long as it is not an overpriced DLC I will buy it. Not more than 400 pts per course, please.
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Well, the full game was 800 so I should hope not.

Apparently it's going to be a Desert themed course.
 
I haven't been following XBLA recently (in the last few months to be exact), what are some recent titles that I should check out? I'm trying out the golf game right now.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Let's see then. What does your five dollars get you then.

Hm.

Okay, a compelling story. Okay, let's venture out into the real world and compare. Okay. I bought a comic book that cost three dollars. I finished reading it in about 12 minutes. Braid takes about three hours to finish.

Hey, I think I found my five bucks!
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I don't think people are reacting this way because $5 is a lot of money. It's because it is possible that there are other titles out there with a better value proposition. People must decide that for themselves, but there are certainly some strong contenders at the $10 price point.
 
Dark Octave said:
Time to give you guys a little perspective. I posted this in the Castle Crashers' price thread and the same holds true for Braid as well. And all original XBLA games are in HD, and some have MP.

Patapon (PSP): Worth $20.
patapon.jpg


Some random match-three game (PC): Worth $20.
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Castle Crashers (XBLA): Not worth $20??
castlec2e.jpg


It's crazy that you complain about the price of something you get to keep forever that may cost $15-$20, then turn around and spend $15-$20 on a pizza, a movie for two, sushi, a haircut, a steak, or anything that will be gone in the next few hours/days. Yet a game that's yours forever, isn't worth $20?

Wow.
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Thing is, The first game is on a disc on a handheld, and those things are always expensive. The PC game might be that much, but you could play flash versions for free (not necessarily that game, but match 3 anyway) Thing about most XBLA is that you will usually play it once and then not touch the thing again. I know some games are the exception, but this is true for about 95% of the games on there. Most have dead multiplayer and it can be hard to find good matches in even the most popular of games. Bomberman ranked is empty as hell.

It's yours for as long as you own your 360 (no different from any other game you own), and possibly with MS next console allowing us to transfer our XBLA games to their next console. I honestly don't see what the difference is between a disc and a download in that regard.
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How about selling the game after you get bored with it? Or buying the game used?
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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:lol :lol :lol

Cheesus Christ I'm getting sick to death of the official XBLA thread being overtaken by whiny bitches crying over five goddamn dollars. It's a market, people. If you don't fucking like it, DON'T fucking buy it. The rest of us who like original games like Braid will vote according with our spacebucks. Start an official whiners thread about the price of DD content in general.
 
RBH said:
IGN review of Braid:

9.0 Gameplay
Highly imaginative puzzles that will give you brain a workout. This is unlike any other game on Xbox 360.
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Unlike that great EXIT game with amazing puzzles which everybody ignores, hmm?

And people complaining about XBLA prices are greedy bastards. I think XBLA in general is underpriced, in other markets you see similar games costing around 20-30 dollars and almost never below that. I get the impression the developers struggle to get profit when they price their games at a low price like 5 or 10 dollars.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Okay, a compelling story. Okay, let's venture out into the real world and compare. Okay. I bought a comic book that cost three dollars. I finished reading it in about 12 minutes. Braid takes about three hours to finish.

Hey, I think I found my five bucks!
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You can always buy a paperback novel for $5 that will take you weeks to read!
 
Well, 400 points more than I expected..but I'm set..
I'm just waiting for it to be here..to bad that the moment the game goes Live I have to leave to work..hope it's "earlier"..around 4:30AM like Geometry Wars 2, so I can leave it downloading..while I'm at work.
 
RadarScope1 said:
:lol :lol :lol

Cheesus Christ I'm getting sick to death of the official XBLA thread being overtaken by whiny bitches crying over five goddamn dollars. It's a market, people. If you don't fucking like it, DON'T fucking buy it. The rest of us who like original games like Braid will vote according with our spacebucks. Start an official whiners thread about the price of DD content in general.
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:lol thank you! seriously some of you people just like complaining
 
YagizY said:
Pretentious much?

No it isn't, because it's not a good value. Seriously, the amount of content STILL isn't worth 20 dollars. Ooooh a bunch of levels, OMFG 4 PLAYER CO-OP (big fucking deal), RPG ELEMENTS!!!11! MS is ripping you guys off and you are ok with it.

With that aside, I just bought Geometry Wars 2 and it is quite awesome, it has lots of content, AND IT IS ONLY 10 DOLLARS.
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:lol :lol :lol

Of all the games to claim overfloweth with content, fucking Geometry Wars 2. The game is essentially about a dozen 10-second snippets of gameplay, yet this is what you want to argue is worth so many spacebucks? GW2 isn't a ripoff, but it certainly isn't a fucking value to compare anything to.
 
If you like puzzle platformers, Braid is going to be worth your $15 no question.
If you like gaming with other people, Castle Crashers is worth any amount of money.
Bionic Commando: Rearmed is a steal at 800pts.
There. Nice and simple.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
:lol :lol :lol

Of all the games to claim overfloweth with content, fucking Geometry Wars 2. The game is essentially about a dozen 10-second snippets of gameplay, yet this is what you want to argue is worth so many spacebucks? GW2 isn't a ripoff, but it certainly isn't a fucking value to compare anything to.
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Geo Wars is more of a drug than a game, really. It's digital crack rock.
 
SapientWolf said:
Hahaha. I got quoted on the official Rocket Riot website. GAF->Internet->GAF
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"I think this is going to be XBLA sleeper hit of the year." - NeoGAF

:lol Same happened with the whole "Strudel Crisis" title. Only place I ever got mentioned was GoNintend0
 
I don't like the fact that they attribute a single user's quote to "NeoGAF."

Besides, I think Rocket Riot has all the momentum of a runaway freight train. Codeglue is clearly in it to win it.
 
Sectus said:
Unlike that great EXIT game with amazing puzzles which everybody ignores, hmm?
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I have EXIT (I also have a pretty good gamerscore on it) and there's way too many things wrong with it to have it score particularly highly. Frustration should come from puzzles, not iffy controls.
 
SickBoy said:
I don't like the fact that they attribute a single user's quote to "NeoGAF."
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Funny how they put it in the review section too :lol

Psychotext said:
I have EXIT (I also have a pretty good gamerscore on it) and there's way too many things wrong with it to have it score particularly highly. Frustration should come from puzzles, not iffy controls.
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Let's not mention the incredibly annoying, repeated calls for help.
 
SickBoy said:
I don't like the fact that they attribute a single user's quote to "NeoGAF."

Besides, I think Rocket Riot has all the momentum of a runaway freight train. Codeglue is clearly in it to win it.
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Yeah, I agree. I look forward to the game and all, but they may want to change that to "NeoGAF Forum Post" or "SapientWolf from NeoGAF", as "NeoGAF" itself is a property, that doesn't necessarily endorse the views of its posters.

As far as rising game prices are concerned, I think that as users we should pay for these games what we think they are worth to us. Unfortunately for developers, this doesn't equal the amount of effort put into the game.

I think that a slight increase in 200 pts or so would have been more appropriate. A 400-600 increase is simply too jarring considering the prices of games released during the last 3 years. Secondly, at this point in time, the American economy isn't too hot. $5 is a lot to some people. Look at fast food chains, they are dropping prices from $5.99, to $5 flat. They understand that a $1 difference is a whole lot when it comes to their products. In the same way, a 200pt difference can be a substantial difference in the eyes of gamers.

I think MS and other XBLA publishers should have looked at increasing them slowly yet steadily over the years. But if a publisher/developer is adamant that their game is worth 1600 pts, I think they should go for it if they are confident. Because people WILL pay for it if it is worth it.
 
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