OKCupid urges users to not use Firefox
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jim-jam bongs
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100% enemy
I'll give you that one.
thesoapster
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Damn, that's a shame to learn. The story of JavaScript and how Eich created it is pretty cool/crazy. He's clearly very intelligent, so I definitely find it confusing/disappointing.
TrueGrime
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Oh there is no more line, my friend. Employers will get all up in your shit if you're not careful. Right down to spying on what you do and put on the internet.
yankeeforever2
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So I went to okcupid to check and the statement did come up, but they want me to download Internet Exploder. Don't now if that is a non subtle troll by okcupid or there staff is a bunch of idiots. Leaning towards the second.
Devolution
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Eh you publicly support something like Prop 8 then want "privacy" on such matters you bring this shit on yourself.
SouthernDragon
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Not necessarily. One side is advocating the denial of human rights to a minority, the other isn't.
It'd be like saying that because we can fire someone for coming out against miscegenation, we'll also be able to fire people for supporting it. It's rather unlikely.
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I saw this earlier, and I applaud them. I still haven't made the switch away,though. Guess I should for solidarity's sake.
Spring-Loaded
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Makes sense for Ok Cupid.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
To be clear, it's not quite prior opposition; I suspect a lot of this ruckus would have died down had Eich said "This is something from my past, over the last few years my opinions on this subject have evolved, blah blah blah cautionary tale about putting money towards a cause when you haven't considered the full ramification"; the failure to distance from past actions is seen as tacit continuation of it.
completely different situation and IMO not warranted. Whats next? Boycotting companies because their leadership donates to the political party i most disagree with?
yea, this is illegal and if its not it should be.
exactly.
Doesnt matter what the cause is, if you allow it to happen for one cause, you cannot deny it for another.
Heh, seems like you make mistakes too.
One is about oppressing people because of mythology the other is about equal rights. They aren't the same.
Brendan Eich is a piece of shit. Good for okcupid.
shouldnt matter. He's using his personal money to do it, not the companies money like Chick Fil A
you also forgot to bold the 'now' it should be 'know'
Mysterious
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While I do condemn him for having beliefs I do not agree with, asking him to take back his opinion (which he might not necessarily even "regret") just to keep his job is just as bad in my opinion. This isn't the head of a pro-rights organization, it's a open-Internet organization. His irrelevant beliefs should not get in the way of his job, assuming he maintains the rights of LGBT Mozilla employees and does not terminate them.
Microsoft: The same referendum that prompted Bezos' donation inspired $100,000 in contributions each from Bill Gates and CEO Steve Ballmer. Support for gay rights is nothing new to Microsoft: Ric Weiland, one of Microsofts first five employees, was gay and left $65 million to pro-gay organizations after his 2006 suicide. The companys history of equality goes back even fartherin 1993, Microsoft became the first Fortune 500 Company to grant equal benefits to gay employees
http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...-anti-gay-companies-like-chick-fil-a-to-shame
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
u win
i see nothing wrong with firing someone over the former
hardcastlemccormick
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I don't think stopping the use of an open-source internet browser is going to change anything about gay rights. There's too many degrees of separation here.
Calamari41
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Yeah how dare this guy hold the same political view on gay marriage that Hillary Clinton did as far back as March 2013 and that Barack Obama did as far back as March 2012. Fuckin' burn him alive.
Devolution
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Straw everywhere.
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama did not give money to a political campaign to strip gays and lesbians in California of their marriage rights for no other reason than an animus towards gays and lesbians.
You could argue that Clinton and Obama had sincere opposition towards gay marriage until 2012. That's not a bet I would take. Obama even came out against Prop 8 before he officially came out for gay marriage... you know, again:
It's not the same thing. And yes, how dare he.
Then you shouldn't see a problem with firing someone over the latter. As much as I agree with having gay rights, I don't see how you can not see firing someone for their position on either side of the issue as equivalent.
You Are Viewtiful
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In my opinion, LGBT should be a protected group, so I am okay with this.
Mercury Fred
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This... this is awesome.
Because it's not an equivalent situation.
What if Eich had donated to a white supremacist cause?
Devolution
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a secret-boss
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i downloaded Internet Exploder from this warez site.
Now I have virus
gonna be single forever thanks okcupid
Now I have virus
gonna be single forever thanks okcupid
Calamari41
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Those two absolutely campaigned on the "between one man and one woman" idea when it was convenient to do so. So they're off the hook because they didn't specifically mention Prop 8 or give it money?
California passed Prop 8 pretty handily, so you guys must have a shitload of mortal enemies in this very deep blue state.
Plenty of people are pressured out of high-profile jobs when word of disgusting or misguided personal action is brought to public attention. I see nothing wrong with boycotting companies or products for whatever reason you feel warrants not providing material support. No company or product has a right to your business.
Devolution
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Who said they're off the hook other than your piss poor attempt at building a strawman? They can however mitigate their crappy past positions by doing better.
Then he'd be called a racist? Being a racist doesn't prevent you from having a job.
Yes it is. Step back for a minute and ignore that you are pro gay rights. If it is ok for a company to fire someone for believing in one thing, then it should be perfectly ok to fire them for believing something else. In this case, it should not be ok either way. As I said earlier in the thread, what is next, boycotting companies whose leadership donates to political parties that disagree with yours?
This is not a chik fil a situation.
Devolution
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There is no "belief" here, there is the public support of a proposition that restricted the rights of gay people. This two sided bullshit has got to stop.
Mercury Fred
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And both have made amends.
Eich has issued a non-apology apology.
He can make it all better though:
1.) Make a proper apology
2.) Come out in full support of marriage equality.
3.) Make a very large donation (I'd say minimum 250k) to help marriage equality efforts.
Done.
Calamari41
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Everybody calling for this guy's career to be over because of a political donation that he made six years ago in support of a proposition that embodied the official political stance of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama until one and two years ago respectively. I'm not trying to say that they need to call for Obama to be impeached. I'm just noting how funny it is.
Green Biker Dude
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i like how people aren't allowed to have an opinion
i like how firefox is suddenly a worse product because one of the people working there might believe in magic faries
i also like how people don't realize how close minded they are being for this whole thing. ironically
btw guys, people who invented the internet might've been against gay marriage, since it wasn't a popular opinion back then. you guys should stop using the internet. i'm pretty sure many inventors behind products you use everyday were against it as well. might want to live the woods from now on, since you can't really tell which products are safe
i like how firefox is suddenly a worse product because one of the people working there might believe in magic faries
i also like how people don't realize how close minded they are being for this whole thing. ironically
btw guys, people who invented the internet might've been against gay marriage, since it wasn't a popular opinion back then. you guys should stop using the internet. i'm pretty sure many inventors behind products you use everyday were against it as well. might want to live the woods from now on, since you can't really tell which products are safe
if you wish to restrict me of rights then i probably wont hold a very high opinion of you yes
While not (publicly) for gay marriage, both came out again Prop 8. So, no.
52% =! handily. Most polls put support in California to be around 60% for gay marriage now.
There are a lot of people who don't understand gay rights or hold outdated and hurtful viewpoints that were expressed at the polls. This hurts, yes. People should be called out on these choices that they've made so they can understand the hurt that they put other people through for those 5 years.
And Eich hasn't had any remorse for the hurt that he put others through, unlike some others that might have donated to Prop 8.
Broder Salsa
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As an internet exploder user I'm happy that my browser of choice supports not just same sex marriage, but also marriage between humans and extraterrestrial. In space you can't restrict our marriage.
Mercury Fred
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Who says someone isn't free to have an opinion? Opinions and donations to political causes don't exist in a vacuum.
Devolution
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This equivalence of having an opinion and public support of the restriction of the rights of gays is so frustrating.
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