Imperial Bishop
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Arby's posted that, but I can understand the confusion. Nobody wants to eat at Arby's.
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One Piece Manga |OT3| Anything You Can Gum I Can Gum Better
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It's going to be 3.
Sibersk Esto
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I don't think Katakuri will be facing Zoro or Sanji, just because so much hoopla has been raised over Katakuri being an upgraded Luffy. It's Luffy's fight to win.
Luffy is winning.
No third party can come in without Brulee and a draw will not happen since Kata wants luffy done and cannot escape till he is defeated and I think Luffy gonna want to beat this guy. Luffy will pull something off and win but it will be a tough fight and will be buildup this arc/stepping stone to fighting the true big treat/build up for the saga Kaido.
No third party can come in without Brulee and a draw will not happen since Kata wants luffy done and cannot escape till he is defeated and I think Luffy gonna want to beat this guy. Luffy will pull something off and win but it will be a tough fight and will be buildup this arc/stepping stone to fighting the true big treat/build up for the saga Kaido.
The reason I think he'll win is, in my mind, katakuri is just being used to show what else can be done with gum gum similar powers. Basically inspire Luffy to do some next level thing with his own powers. Don't get me wrong I like katakuri. One of my favorite villain designs for a while, but in my mind he's too similar to not just be a springboard. This also feeds my belief that the Big Mom resolution will happen here and not need a return arc.
So like I said, I'm bad at predicting this so the opposite will probably happen.
Guess we'll see! Also maybe the Big Mom resolution will be the next big prediction lol
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Why Usopp such a savage back then
Blackleg-sanji1
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Easy prediction there is no resolution here big mom is no ally she not going nowhere
oreomunsta
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I think that both Luffy and Katakuri will be knocked out after Buggy makes a surprise entrance
Blackleg-sanji1
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Lol luffy loses to weevilDo I change your prediction
Lock it in
Has to be about Luffy and Katakuri, so fit that in there if you're serious
Blackleg-sanji1
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Aw man no way he managed to track down luffy that quick
Considering he wants to find Marco and thinks Luffy knows where he is he will mostly end up in Wano when the other two are both there.
unknownstranger
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Guess we'll see! Also maybe the Big Mom resolution will be the next big prediction lol
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Why Usopp such a savage back then
I just rewatched this fight. It was badass seeing what Usopp could do when he has time to prepare.
- Why would he just wake up and blab all of a sudden, he's been keeping the secret for decades, there's no reason for us to think that he'd suddenly say anything now. And to whose benefit? Also most importantly, they explicitly mentioned that he would be out for a few days, a set up that enables Sanji to be the main guy baking that cake, so yea...
- Pudding knowing all along doesn't really make much sense either, Oda would've foreshadowed something like that imo. Seems far more likely that she'd use her powers on Big Mom, and then inadvertently catch wind of those memories, and then take it from there.
- This just crazy
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I actually have no horse in the whole "Will Big Mom find out or not", I just don't see how it suddenly leads to an alliance/truce, barring her being like depressed or something, and just not being in the mood to deal with them anymore. It's also a pretty anticlimatic way to end things, even more so than how people view the Cake theory's execution on paper. At least that has some potential excitement if you think about it for a bit.
And while she may get over the Caramel picture being broken, why excuse everything else based on what we know about her? Not to mention it also comes back to the infinitely reinforced notion of her being insanely strong, so why bother letting them the Straw Hats go if they can't beat you, only for them to get in your way later on?
Additionally, this theory seems to involve Pudding's powers. But Pudding likely only has an opportunity to use them on Big Mom while she's unconscious, it'd be suicide any other time. And if that's the case, I don't see why she'd use her powers on her, she currently doesn't really have any reason to. And if she's unconscious, the Straw Hats main priority should be to leave the damn island, not wait for Pudding to use her powers and inform them of a past that only Big Mom would care about. And obviously they shouldn't wait for Big Mom to wake up. Just like the Cake theory, I'd need to see it begin to play out for myself. That said, there's always the possibility that she finds out later ya know, maybe in a location filled with giants...
I guess my problem with these big theories in general is that they try and predict an end goal, but usually do a poor job of convincing me as to how we get to said goal. Like you bring up characters like Streusen or Stussy, but I don't see why they'd say anything, much less how it could possibly benefit them.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Im lazy what incited these walls of text
I'm assuming midramble's earlier posts incited Ray, whose post incited my response to his theory.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Sibersk Esto
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It feels weird to have the whole Mother Carmel twist and have both Streusen and a giant know without that coming into play unless
A. It's supposed to stay as an ironic twist.
B. Come out in Elbaf.
A. It's supposed to stay as an ironic twist.
B. Come out in Elbaf.
ChasingANiche
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- Why would he just wake up and blab all of a sudden, he's been keeping the secret for decades, there's no reason for us to think that he'd suddenly say anything now. And to whose benefit? Also most importantly, they explicitly mentioned that he would be out for a few days, a set up that enables Sanji to be the main guy baking that cake, so yea...
- Pudding knowing all along doesn't really make much sense either, Oda would've foreshadowed something like that imo. Seems far more likely that she'd use her powers on Big Mom, and then inadvertently catch wind of those memories, and then take it from there.
- This just crazy
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I actually have no horse in the whole "Will Big Mom find out or not", I just don't see how it suddenly leads to an alliance/truce, barring her being like depressed or something, and just not being in the mood to deal with them anymore. It's also a pretty anticlimatic way to end things, even more so than how people view the Cake theory's execution on paper. At least that has some potential excitement if you think about it for a bit.
And while she may get over the Caramel picture being broken, why excuse everything else based on what we know about her? Not to mention it also comes back to the infinitely reinforced notion of her being insanely strong, so why bother letting them the Straw Hats go if they can't beat you, only for them to get in your way later on?
Additionally, this theory seems to involve Pudding's powers. But Pudding likely only has an opportunity to use them on Big Mom while she's unconscious, it'd be suicide any other time. And if that's the case, I don't see why she'd use her powers on her, she currently doesn't really have any reason to. And if she's unconscious, the Straw Hats main priority should be to leave the damn island, not wait for Pudding to use her powers and inform them of a past that only Big Mom would care about. And obviously they shouldn't wait for Big Mom to wake up. Just like the Cake theory, I'd need to see it begin to play out for myself. That said, there's always the possibility that she finds out later ya know, maybe in a location filled with giants...
I guess my problem with these big theories in general is that they try and predict an end goal, but usually do a poor job of convincing me as to how we get to said goal. Like you bring up characters like Streusen or Stussy, but I don't see why they'd say anything, much less how it could possibly benefit them.
-Considering the statement about being out came from Smothie and how useless she is, I wouldn't be surprised he can pop out of it
, and unlike before nothing has happened to that picture and with Big Mom now going on the rampage he cannot stop like others maybe it convinces him to get something off his chest with his impending doom.-The Pudding stuff is an idea, but the Stussy stuff can happen there needs to be a bit more about her and its no coincidence that she works for the very organisation that has had dealings with MC so we see where that goes. Just as much as people thought Sanji wouldn't bake the cake and they all just run but Oda had another plan.
It may not seem but just with this arc Oda shown that farout ideas that people didn't like and don't see happening and I can understand that, such a shock as the person whos teachings, words and shit being the core and foundation of your life being a utter shame would have a huge effect on someone from depression to outright character change and considering this is shonen it will happen quick. Or hell the idea you ate people like your mother would chnage some perspective.
Its the one two punch of know MC true character and the eating people.
It may seem anti-climatic/not exciting or interesting but wait till the execution, I believed in a game of Mario and Rabbits and that turn out great, children card game fighting sounds boring but Takahashi made it unso, Space Dandy is a utter gag series but when previews came up of more serious episodes I scoffed and they hit me emotionally and pulled an ending that made sense. Stuff can seem lame, anti-climatic or whatever but its in the execution that matters. TMNT by platinum sounded great till you saw the final product.
It could be anti-climatic as all hell.
The big thing with this since its still part of the Cake theory (ideas on BM), is that the revelation would change Big Mom fully, she would no longer desire wanting to be Pirate King, she would move past her anger towards FI, the SH, Lola, Chiffon, Bege. She would become/be a different person after the truth is revealed and reflection she wouldn't be in there way. Hell they will fight together in the ending war. The peace/truce will be for Big Mom to wish forgiveness of all parties this arc and for all to leave easily this arc.
Pudding can easily show the truth once she is asleep from eating again the most orgasmic cake, the plan to just leave after can easily change just as much as the goals this arc have and even then with the cake they still be in her territory for awhile. They could have just kept going and running away like there are now but Oda wasen't gonna let the BMP and the citizens of Totland be slaughtered. Plus the cake gives the added bonus of proving Judge and the Vinsmokes wrong yet again with there attitudes towards cooking.
Problem with happening in Elbaf is that the Giants have no idea of MC true character seemingly just Linlin ate them since they say they hated BM more, no CP0 that have a history with MC, no Pudding (she seemingly never been off the WCI and why would BM risk bringing her to hostile territory), that and if Strus would say anything it might as well be during the time of possible impending doom by a person he helped shaped and made use of.
This is all still part of the Cake Theory since its usually been more then just the cake.
And I can see why people are hesitant and leave this stuff at that for now :sleepytime
I've been wanting to make it for awhile so why not
.Be lucky I didn't do my family one, its even longer.
I imagine if he is aware of the mirror world he could since he just seems to spawn doors and travel.
-Considering the statement about being out came from Smothie and how useless she is, I wouldn't be surprised he can pop out of it
Um, alright. I think we should wait for him to actually awaken first, because right now from my perspective, that seems very far-fetched, especially when you jokingly inject your (justified) bias against Smoothie bias into it.
As for the slim possibility of there being a situation where he's pleading for his life as Big Mom's rampage reaches wherever he is (If anything, Perospero's the main one that should be afraid), she's still in her rage mode, so if it doesn't have to do with the cake, from what we've seen so far, she really shouldn't have much of a reaction to that, but whatever.
At least with the cake, skeptics like myself had basic stuff to ponder over regarding its plausibility, like Sanji being a chef, there is indeed a wedding cake that got recently ruined, the head chef is down, and Big Mom has wanted that wedding cake since the arc began. And arguably most importantly (for me personally), the fact that Big Mom could ride Zeus. Once that got thrown into the cards, it became a lot easier to start thinking about the theory coming true a few weeks before it did, because with Zeus in mind, the Straw Hats are pretty much forced to placate her in some fashion, the obvious way to do that of course being a cake.
Stussy on the other hand... she works for the World Gov't. That's pretty much it. There's currently no reason to think that she would say anything, but even if she did, again, where is the benefit to her? Hell, you could argue that Big Mom rampaging throughout WCI is more than good enough, since she's at least whittling down her crew a little bit, and would obviously benefit from the Straw Hats dying. The only reason I could see her wanting to tell Big Mom the truth is to purposely antagonize her, and uhh, that'd be a stupid idea.
Like you said, something more needs to actually happen here before I give that any real credence.
It's simply a reach to me, I have to see it to believe it. That said, I am admittedly inherently biased against the very thought of Big Mom making any kind of truce with them, except for maybe some dumb finale usage of the roulette wheel. But even with that in mind, I think it would actually make more sense to me if said truce came about just because of the delicious cake, rather than the MC thing that has literally nothing to do with the Straw Hats. At least with the cake, I can see Oda being silly enough where the cake is so delicious that Big Mom temporarily forgives them, or something along those lines. I'd still greatly dislike it, but at least the dots are there to connect. Big Mom's memories on the other hand factoring into all of this asks a lot out of me...
Sure.
I'm aware of Oda's female characters having the potential to let you down at any given moment, but this is too much for me lmao
But why would Pudding want to do that if Big Mom's already taken care of? I'm someone that does actually feel like Pudding having that particular DF will lead to something important down the line, but at the same time, I just let the manga take me there. What you're saying for me to do is to think about it now, but if I do that, I have to consider why exactly would Pudding want to check her memories to begin with if the threat has been eliminated, and I currently got nothing.
I actually wasn't all that serious about that lol, just threw that possibility out there, but all the same time, I just meant more like the giants could make her aware that she had eaten her, and then just take it from there I guess. As for Pudding and if she'd even be there, that's a good rebuttal I suppose. I guess one possibility is that the last Red Poneglyph actually does end up being on Elbaf, as well as Pudding actually unlocking her third eye, then that would be one way to justify her being there. That said, who knows if she'll even stick with Big Mom to begin with after this arc is over.
KidA Seven
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Yeah Streusen confessing doesn't make sense to me. Big Mom is only in complete rampage mode when she's craving food. There's a difference between that and her just being angry. We've already seen Big Mom after the Mother Carmel picture incident, and before her Wedding Cake rampage. She was angry at the SH, but still rational where she can tell friend from foe. So Streusen has no reason to fear for his life unless she's in rampage mode. In that case, Sanji is already baking a cake with Chiffon and Pudding. So she'll get that craving satisfied. Streusen already knows nothing but that single food item will save them.
Imperial Bishop
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Oh, we're doing predictions for Luffy vs Katakuri?
I'm strongly leaning towards Luffy winning. A draw is possible, but Katakuri winning means death for Luffy so that's out of the question.
Nami already has faith that Luffy will beat Katakuri. Oda wouldn't have thrown that line in if victory wasn't a possibility.
Luffy has a good track record when it comes to facing seemingly insurmountable obstacles on his own. But the big question is if Luffy will defeat Katakuri in the ten hours he has or not.
I'm strongly leaning towards Luffy winning. A draw is possible, but Katakuri winning means death for Luffy so that's out of the question.
Nami already has faith that Luffy will beat Katakuri. Oda wouldn't have thrown that line in if victory wasn't a possibility.
Luffy has a good track record when it comes to facing seemingly insurmountable obstacles on his own. But the big question is if Luffy will defeat Katakuri in the ten hours he has or not.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Gear 4th:Nitro man
Im telling ya
Im telling ya
Never said they would tell Big Mom (or don't think I did), just this info get revealed to Pudding and Co (weither by force or something else) and then she just use her fruit during once BM out of it once she eats the cake.
Speedy Gear 4.
Or Gear 4 Lean mode.
Speedy Gear 4.
Or Gear 4 Lean mode.
Sibersk Esto
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I think whatever expectations the crew has for Luffy winning is a bit nullified after the last chapter where Luffy lied and Jinbe wasnt buying it while the others were.
Two interesting points, streusen being basically a villain who was also taking advantage of a child and not spilling the beans for decades tells me that 1) he won't willingly divulge but 2) there is no reason for him to know plot wise if he wasn't going to divulge.
I could see them needing to dig into his memory for some secret recipe. Maybe something to make the cake taste like her special day, and while digging for that (since pudding is doing the cooking) she could stumble upon the canabalistic reveal.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Luffy Nitro man will be all red hawk style attacks therefore burning/cooking the mochi, making it hard with each punch which negates the punches just phasing thru/not harming katakuri
I just made all this up and have no faith its gonna happen
So.... your prediction is that he'll win? Is what you're going with, not entirely sure due to the rest of your post, and I want to mark it down.
As in, the truth about Big Mom gets revealed to Pudding first? Not sure I follow, I'm tired, just finished writing a paper lol
Regarding #2, Pudding was a potential factor here with her DF abilities... at first. But as recent chapters have pointed out, Sanji is a cooking god. He does not need Streusen for anything, he remembered the entire recipe on his own, is baking the cake in a much shorter timeframe, and on top of that, he has his own secret ingredient. Additionally, it would be poor writing for Oda to now say that we suddenly need Streusen, considering that they had left him back at Whole Cake Island. If they needed him, then Pudding would've quickly made a detour to go and retrieve him before heading to Cacao Island. Since that did not happen, I feel that it is safe to say that with them now at Cacao Island, and with Streusen currently unconscious for a few days, he is likely no longer going to be relevant this arc.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Xux
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Katakuri wins
No, but, forrealsies,
Series solved.
and kills Luffy and ends the series because that's the only possible chain of events from that outcome.
No, but, forrealsies,
Sanji beats Katakuri after Pudding gives Sanji all of her memories of Katakuri fighting. As foreshadowed during the ceremony, Sanji develops his Haki to the point that he can match Katakuri's future seeing ability.
Aaronrules380
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Luffy will win because there's pretty much no scenario where he loses (or even draws, considering there are other enemies around) where he lives and the series continues
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Blackleg-sanji1
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Man chapter 818 was mad hype and it was just straight into. Zou was such a good arc
Imperial Bishop
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Well shit Im ok with this
King of Lightning shat his pants when that happened,
Yep-eruni.
Blackleg-sanji1
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That and also when sanji was on the table lol
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