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OnePlus and Cyanogen going seperate ways...soon. [India]

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OnePlus and Cyanogen on brink of breakup after India fight

Poor OnePlus just can't take a break. Just as the company's busy taking care of its Black Friday promotion, its store opening in Beijing and its India launch with Amazon next week, a close partner decided to drop a hurtful bomb. Cyanogen Inc., the maker of OnePlus One's Android ROM, announced that it's now inked a deal with Micromax to exclusively support the latter's upcoming online brand Yu -- a direct competitor of Xiaomi -- in India. And by "exclusive" we do mean no love for OnePlus, who implies in its latest blog post that Cyanogen knew about its India plan all along, yet it was suddenly shunned to make way for a new partner over there. If true, this is a surprisingly childish move from an up-and-coming company that has no doubt benefitted much from its partnership with OnePlus thus far.

"We can't explain Cyanogen's decision because we don't fully understand it ourselves," OnePlus co-founder Carl Pei wrote.

Cyanogen's India deal will not affect OnePlus users elsewhere, as confirmed by Pei. At least "for another year," anyway. As for OnePlus One's India launch with Amazon, it will go ahead as planned on December 2nd and it'll still carry CyanogenMod, but it won't be updated. At this point, it's not clear whether this only affects OnePlus devices sold through Amazon India (this would likely be done so by blocking out a set of IMEI numbers), or whether this is determined by location (which means one should be able to manually flash updates, if they are available on the internet).

"We can't explain Cyanogen's decision because we don't fully understand it ourselves."

Regardless, there's a solution of some sort. Back in late October, OnePlus co-founder and CEO Pete Lau already said that his company's working on its very own Android ROM to replace Color OS -- supplied by its OEM partner Oppo -- for the China edition of its next flagship device. (For those who didn't know, the OnePlus One is sold with Color OS instead of CyanogenMod in China.) In light of recent development, Pei's team has reallocated development resources to build said ROM for OnePlus One users in India as well. The exec added that the "fast and lightweight" system will be based on Android Lollipop, and the first community build will be available as soon as December, followed by a production-ready build in February. Better yet, Pei said his company will commit to at least two years of support for this new ROM on the OnePlus One, starting from the first community build.

Does this mean OnePlus will eventually move away from CyanogenMod for its international devices in the rest of the world? The company made no comment, but we wouldn't be surprised if so, and it'd be Cyanogen's loss in the long term. Karma hurts, you know.


http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/28/cyanogen-oneplus-one-india-betrayal/


The letter to prospective Indian users

This week, we announced that the OnePlus One will finally launch in India on December 2, 2014. This has been a long time coming both for our Indian fans, who have been incredibly patient, and everyone behind the scenes who have been working towards this moment since June.

OnePlus and all of our partners, including Cyanogen, have put countless hours of work into making this launch a success. Just last month, on October 7, Cyanogen released the 38R OTA update which included SAR values inside phone settings to comply with Indian regulations. Therefore, it was surprising and disappointing to hear from Cyanogen on November 26 that they had granted exclusive rights in India over the Cyanogen system to another company. Prior to this, OnePlus and Cyanogen have successfully cooperated to release the OnePlus One or carry out commercial operations in 17 countries and regions (including India). It is truly unfortunate that a commitment we both made to our Indian users will now not be upheld.

The One will continue to be supported globally and receive frequent OTAs. In fact, the next update will pack some surprises with which we think you’ll be very happy. Cyanogen has unequivocally committed to continuing this global support and we look forward to working with them for another year on continuously improving our device. But today, we address our Indian users who may feel disappointed or deceived.

We can’t explain Cyanogen’s decision because we don’t fully understand it ourselves. But we can explain exactly how we’ll continue offering our fans in India an amazing user experience and support for this device.

OnePlus was founded not even a year ago and we have grown and evolved immeasurably since then. But our priorities have never wavered: our product and our users.

Over the past year, we’ve often reflected on ways to better serve both. Those reflections led us to start developing our own Android team, as we’ve previously announced. That team was put in place originally to build the software which would power our future devices. So, though it’s not what we originally planned, we have shifted engineering efforts to the OnePlus One upon hearing this news. According to our current estimations, we’ll be able to release our first community build to our Indian users next month and have a production-ready build in February.

Our system will be based on Lollipop, and will be built to be stable, fast, and lightweight. True to our original promise of putting user experience first, it will be bloatware-free and only carry the features important to our users. We appreciate the work that Google has put into Android, and we have no plans of departing from Material Design nor adding unnecessary customizations. We can’t wait to hear your feedback and to build it together with you. We will commit to at least two years of support for the OnePlus One, starting from the release of our first community build.

When our system reaches a production-grade build, we will identify where larger clusters of our users are, and set up stations where we’ll meet you face to face and help you flash your existing OnePlus One to the new system. Of course, we will also offer online instructions for those who prefer to flash their devices from the comfort of their homes.

As we fast approach the first anniversary of OnePlus, we’ve been looking back on the past year. Our experiences have made us think hard about what’s really important in life, what culture we want to build, and what legacy we want to leave behind. These are difficult questions that we’ll need more time on. But at the very least, we want to remind ourselves to think long term, while always doing good by our users, partners and employees.

We’re extremely excited and confident about the team we’re building for our future system. We want to hear your feedback during an Reddit AMAA we are planning to host on /r/Android on December 5. Thank you for accompanying us on our journey, and thank you for your support. See you there!

Never Settle.

Cyanogen was a major selling point for this phone. Here is hoping that their own build isn't bad either. The comments section is one hilarious place on the one plus letter page right now.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
just finished my game o starcraft.

so it's india only? then i would bet that cyanogen will support my phone for its lifetime, theyre probably contractually obligated to.

oneplus may wish to drop cyanogen internationally though because of how the india move hurts them, and that would suck for me. especially if they didn't just switch to the stock rom.

oneplus, please keep cyanogen internationally.

cyanogen, please stop antagonizing your partners.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
I don't see why a custom ROM maker would make exclusive deals.

It just seems really counter-intuitive and greedy.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
Cyanogen has unequivocally committed to continuing this global support and we look forward to working with them for another year on continuously improving our device

so i guess that means just one more year internationally?

Our system will be based on Lollipop, and will be built to be stable, fast, and lightweight. True to our original promise of putting user experience first, it will be bloatware-free and only carry the features important to our users. We appreciate the work that Google has put into Android, and we have no plans of departing from Material Design nor adding unnecessary customizations.

but then again, if they replace cyanogen with this then i think okay with that.
 

Tripon

Member
If Cyanogen drops support for OnePlus in the US. I hope One Plus just does what Motorola does and dies a minimal mod of stock android. The people who bought this phone aren't necessarily Cyanogen fans, they are Android fans who like a good phone at a great price.
 

scsa

Member
I think after a year, if their own build on lollipop is stable and works well, they will most likely push that worldwide and drop cyanogen mod.
 
Yeah, not exactly a big issue when the phone itself is one of the few that you can root without voiding warranty. There will be plenty of support even if Cyanogen aren't around.

Still, seems like an odd thing to do since Oneplus were getting them a lot of good publicity and new users.
 

HiResDes

Member
Fuck OPO and how they slumped out the release of their phone seemingly to artificially increase demand and scarcity. The invite thing is quite infuriating and they can go to hell for implementing and sustaining such an asinine business model.
 

Tripon

Member
Fuck OPO and how they slumped out the release of their phone seemingly to artificially increase demand and scarcity. The invite thing is quite infuriating and they can go to hell for implementing and sustaining such an asinine business model.

You're been able to order the phone all day today without an invite.
 

Zoned

Actively hates charity
You're been able to order the phone all day today without an invite.

After showing middle finger to customers for months, do they expect people to buy it now? There are already better specs in the market, and it is by no means a flagship killer.
 

Tripon

Member
After showing middle finger to customers for months, do they expect people to buy it now? There are already better specs in the market, and it is by no means a flagship killer.

I'm annoyed with the invite system as much as anyone, but considering they did well during the other tines they let people directly order the phone, they probablyb do think they will do well.

And yes, there are better phones on the market, spec wise. They are also twice as much. And in 3-6 months, OnePlus will release a better version of the One that will have better specs for a better price of those phones as well.
 

Drifters

Junior Member
not for the price though.
Price not withstanding, if something shits on the phone... Good luck getting it repaired. I literally had one in my cart and then I ran across horror story after horror story of screen issues, radio problems and more. Of course you'll respond with "But...but my phone is fine..." Yeah.... For now.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
Price not withstanding, if something shits on the phone... Good luck getting it repaired. I literally had one in my cart and then I ran across horror story after horror story of screen issues, radio problems and more. Of course you'll respond with "But...but my phone is fine..." Yeah.... For now.

i read about various issues people had, home button lag, yellow tinting, digitizer problems. but there seems to be fix you can do at home for all of those problems. some people had battery problems, and they got their phones replaced. people who've had the phone break and haven't gotten them replaced seem to be pretty rare.

im not oneplus sales rep though, so i fully acknowledge that the company might have shitty RMA support. i dont have the stats.
 

Zoned

Actively hates charity
I would rather get MOTO X for $350 unlocked on sale to get better customer service, timely software updates and stock android experience than dealing with 1+1 shoddy support in US.
 

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The Everyman
I would rather get MOTO X for $350 unlocked on sale to get better customer service, timely software updates and stock android experience than dealing with 1+1 shoddy support in US.

i was considering both options, i even made a pro-con list. here it is for anyone else trying to decide:

moto x pros:

build quality
nicer backplate style
curved feel in the hand
amoled
probably has better customer service
will probably will have better overall shipping costs to canada, i would estimate around $10-30 in overall savings here.
has some nice moto exclusive software touches that compliment the android OS
customer support is probably better
smaller (a plus for me at least)
moto maker

oneplus one pros

3100 mah battery vs 2300 (this is a very big deal for me)
64gbs vs 16gbs (also a very big deal, i store my music/audiobooks/podcasts/movies on my device)
3gbs of ram.
seems to have better cameras (front and back).
nicer style on the front
cyanogen
 

Tripon

Member
i read about various issues people had, home button lag, yellow tinting, digitizer problems. but there seems to be fix you can do it home for all of those problems. some people had battery problems, and they got their phones replaced. people who've had the phone break and haven't gotten them replaced seem to be pretty rare.

im not oneplus sales rep though, so i fully acknowledge that the company might have shitty RMA support. i dont have the stats.
I'm currently trying to get a charger replaced because it stopped working a month. I'm getting the run around at the moment. But the phone itself been running great.
 

aznpxdd

Member
I don't know I'm just kinda amazed people are willing to buy the OPO knowing that it has a terrible touch register issue that's not fixable by software (which OPO even acknowledged multiple times). Some people have it better than others, but its a pretty damn big deal breaker.
 
Had a terrible experience with the OPO, broke after a few weeks, so I just refunded it and bought a second generation Moto G instead. I never really *needed* a flagship Android phone.
 
i was considering both options, i even made a pro-con list. here it is for anyone else trying to decide:

moto x pros:

build quality
nicer backplate style
curved feel in the hand
amoled
probably has better customer service
will probably will have better overall shipping costs to canada, i would estimate around $10-30 in overall savings here.
has some nice moto exclusive software touches that compliment the android OS
customer support is probably better
smaller (a plus for me at least)
moto maker

oneplus one pros

3100 mah battery vs 2300 (this is a very big deal for me)
64gbs vs 16gbs (also a very big deal, i store my music/audiobooks/podcasts/movies on my device)
3gbs of ram.
seems to have better cameras (front and back).
nicer style on the front
cyanogen

One Plus is a great phone. I think you will love it. The battery is awesome and it's really sexy. I've had several people mistake it for an Iphone 6. They did have issues with a yellow band on the screen in the first few months, but that seemingly has gone away in later months. I got one from August with no yellow. I think most people are bitter about this phone because of the invite system. I have mixed feelings about this India issue. I like the stock+ feel of Cyanogenmod, but they seem to lack the ability to create a super stable rom that's rock solid like some other manufacturers. OnePlus should be able to find another team to make an aosp rom just as stable for the OP2 and of course there will be cm nightly builds for it anyway.
 

diaspora

Member
One Plus is a great phone. I think you will love it. The battery is awesome and it's really sexy. I've had several people mistake it for an Iphone 6. They did have issues with a yellow band on the screen in the first few months, but that seemingly has gone away in later months. I got one from August with no yellow. I think most people are bitter about this phone because of the invite system.

I had an invite but I'm bitter because I have to use paypal.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
One Plus is a great phone. I think you will love it. The battery is awesome and it's really sexy. I've had several people mistake it for an Iphone 6. They did have issues with a yellow band on the screen in the first few months, but that seemingly has gone away in later months. I got one from August with no yellow. I think most people are bitter about this phone because of the invite system. I have mixed feelings about this India issue. I like the stock+ feel of Cyanogenmod, but they seem to lack the ability to create a super stable rom that's rock solid like some other manufacturers. OnePlus should be able to find another team to make an aosp rom just as stable for the OP2 and of course there will be cm nightly builds for it anyway.

thanks for the input. that's good to hear :]

I had an invite but I'm bitter because I have to use paypal.

im bitter about paypal too. their conversion rates suck massive balls :[
 
I had an invite but I'm bitter because I have to use paypal.

I didn't want to sign up for paypal either, but it's kind of required for alot of online retailers now. No tax makes up for using Paypal plus the discounts they offer on products once in awhile. Buyer protection is also top notch with them and they protect your credit card info from less known sellers.
 

Husker86

Member
Seems like a really fucked up move on Cyanogen's part.

I really don't like One Plus as a company from what I've seen, but I feel kinda bad for them in this situation.
 
Seems like a really fucked up move on Cyanogen's part.

I really don't like One Plus as a company from what I've seen, but I feel kinda bad for them in this situation.

Cyanogen have been assholes for awhile honestly. They shut down alot of people's development on roms and steal things from others and claim them as their own. There were alot of threads on XDA about it in the past with proof, but they get shut down and the users banned.
 

Camp Lo

Banned
After showing middle finger to customers for months, do they expect people to buy it now? There are already better specs in the market, and it is by no means a flagship killer.

Yeah. I'm salty about all the walls put up to restrict purchase and "create hype". I'm over them.
 

Husker86

Member
Cyanogen have been assholes for awhile honestly. They shut down alot of people's development on roms and steal things from others and claim them as their own. There were alot of threads on XDA about it in the past with proof, but they get shut down and the users banned.

Yeah I remember reading about the drama a while back. I wish karma would bite them in the ass.
 
I don't know I'm just kinda amazed people are willing to buy the OPO knowing that it has a terrible touch register issue that's not fixable by software (which OPO even acknowledged multiple times). Some people have it better than others, but its a pretty damn big deal breaker.
You make it sound as if you're lucky to get an OPO that isn't broken? And they did actually release a software fix which solved the issue for most users...so...yeah.
 
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