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Only reason Bonds is being accused of roids is because he is black, face it
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Ninja Scooter
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Hollywood said:
i will never understand this argument, ever. Bonds has supposedly always been really carefull about his training, and nutrition and what he puts in his body. His trainer who was busted was described (by Bonds himself) as a life long friend, and described by others as an expert on performance enhancing drugs who was supplying roids to everyone and their mother (except Barry, of course). If the steroids have "little affect on his game", WHY THE HELL WOULD HE TAKE THEM? Did he like having his balls shrink and his ass become riddled with acne? Just for shits and giggles. You gotta be either dumb or crazy to believe that Barry just took some steroids every once in a while for fun just to see what happens.
Actually - the reason why Bonds is getting so much heat is because he's an active player. Jason Giambi has been raked over the coals in the NY press daily since that bullshit "apology that wasn't an apology" press conference the other week. McGwire is a private citizen now, sure people will talk about putting asterisks by his achievements, but it's a lot harder for an active player to hide from the media when they're playing every other day.masud said:
I was talking about when he was playing. It seemed to me that everyone bought that supplement story rather quickly while they broke out the hardcore investigative journalism for Bonds. Also McGwire didn't stop playing that long ago and the validity of his achievements should still be a relevant topic, but it's not.
Ninja Scooter
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masud said:
What are you talking about? The Bonds on Steroids shit didnt really hit the fan until his personal trainer was busted for it, and Bonds himself ADMITTED to using to a federal grand jury. There was no such occurance with McGuire, other than the whole andro thing. No "hardcore investigative journalism" required. Im sure everyone (including reporters) were THINKING "hey this guy is probably on steroids" about both Bonds AND Big Mac (and sosa and giambi, ect...) but without anything to go on, they pretty much had to keep quiet.
The McGwire record is a relevant topic and has been treated as such by multiple media outlets. Hell, Dan Patrick brought it up several days running after the Canseco book story broke, to the point where McGwire's people were giving him flak, accusing Dan of throwing McGwire under the bus.
What I'm saying is that media access to a private citizen != media access to an active player. That's why Bonds, Giambi, and to a lesser extent Sosa, are all going to be watched like hawks this year.
As for the andro story during the record chase, it did receive a fair amount of press at first, but MLB (with the help of the media) swept it under the rug. Why? Because the chase between Sosa and McGwire was so good for baseball, capturing the imagination of a nation and helping repair the damage done by the strike a few years earlier. It was in everybody's best interest to push that nasty little story to the side after a bit, with a wink and a nudge. Not having the grand jury testimony available to back up Canseco's words also makes a difference between the treatment of the steroid story then vs now.
What I'm saying is that media access to a private citizen != media access to an active player. That's why Bonds, Giambi, and to a lesser extent Sosa, are all going to be watched like hawks this year.
As for the andro story during the record chase, it did receive a fair amount of press at first, but MLB (with the help of the media) swept it under the rug. Why? Because the chase between Sosa and McGwire was so good for baseball, capturing the imagination of a nation and helping repair the damage done by the strike a few years earlier. It was in everybody's best interest to push that nasty little story to the side after a bit, with a wink and a nudge. Not having the grand jury testimony available to back up Canseco's words also makes a difference between the treatment of the steroid story then vs now.
Ninja Scooter said:
But we already knew about Bond's trainer long before there was to be a trial. The media already had the story. During bonds record setting season there were hundreds of journalists speculating about his steroid use without any evidence. At every press conference Bonds would get asked about it. Was it deserved? Hell yes. All I'm saying was that the same scrutiny was not there during the McGwire/Sosa homerun chase.
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Ninja Scooter said:
Eh. Players still cork their bats, but there's no evidence that it helps them.
I do think steroids make a great player like Bonds even better, but not by a huge margin. A lot of people would hardly be helped at all. If you don't have the good reflexes, swing mechanics, plate discipline, etc then being stronger won't help any of those things. Also, bulking up will likely hinder your defensive ability.
aparisi2274
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No he never took roids. Never
Hollywood said:
Ugh, to pull my post directly from the other thread ...
Are you kidding? The guy was good before, but he only turned into a perennial MVP when he started juicing + wearing body armor and crowding the plate like a mofo. You can't intimidate him because of all the protection (plus it's practically an instant ejection to throw inside these days) and the juice certainly helps his bat speed in fending off the inside heat. The guy has probably the smallest plate coverage in MLB because of how his stance puts him. Look at his numbers - nobody gets that much better at the end of their career. I'm sorry, people claiming that steroids haven't helped him hit better are just in denial.
Barry's best "accomplishments" have come about because of abuse of the current baseball system ('roids + body armor + crowding the plate). Even putting him in the same league as the great hitters of days past (Honus Wagner, Ted Williams, etc) is ridiculous.
Kabuki Waq
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pfft see thats why i watch hockey...less black people.
Mr. Blonde
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Nerevar said:
He won MVP Awards in 90,92, and 93 and would have won one in 91 but got screwed out of it.
Other than his 2001 numbers his numbers now aren't much higher than they were earlier in his career.
And wtf cares if he juices anyway. Most of MLB was juicing and yet they weren't as good as Barry Bonds. He's the best player of his era.
aparisi2274
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Claus said:
yeah but Hammerin Hank did it the old fashioned way, by being a good ball player with skills, who didnt crowd the plate and wear 90lbs of armor, and have arms bigger than a tree trunk
aparisi2274
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Loki said:
ahh makes sense.
Well if that is what he meant, then I apologize for my hasty remarks.
I just really hate Barry Bonds.Ninja Scooter
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Loki said:
Josh Gibson supposedly hit like 800 homeruns during his career, but they didn't keep track of the stats that well back then.
Well if you want to get techical, what evidence is there that guys cork their bats at alll anymore? Aside from one guy breaking his bat and getting caught once every 10 years or so. And steroids are far different from corking a bat. You can't compare taking potentially life threatening drugs to sticking some cork in your bat. Guys are gonna be DAMN sure they are gonna get something out of roiding if they're gonna put their life and careers on the line.
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