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[DJ_Tet]

I don't agree that the Pats job was/looked easier than the Jets job. My point was the Jets were just in the AFC Championship game, while the Pats were the Pats.

I remember the situation like you do, and I'm pretty sure Belicheck had to have taken the job in some official level, because didn't they have to exchange draft picks? Seems like it was about equal to what the Jets gave the Pats for Parcells.

There's no doubt it was a bitch move by Bill Belicheck on the surface, but like I said, who knows what he really wanted to do. I think the move was basically about Belicheck trying to get out of Parcells shadow, and respecting the owners of the Pats.

Now if he took the job and quit a day later, well, plenty of people change their minds.

I personally think an athlete dictating where he plays on draft day is about 100x more of a bitch move than a coach doing what Belicheck did.


Anyway, back on topic, George *Winningest NFL Coach EVAR!!!doh!!went 1-15!* Seifert is/was one of the most overrated head coaches in history.

 

[Pellham]

Who can win without superstars?

Well, the Pistons for one

 

[FrenchMovieTheme]

didn't the panthers start off 1-0 that season too? lol

 

[DJ_Tet]

Yep, won in Minnesota with Chris Weinke in his first start. Beat the shit out of them if I recall, 34-17 or so.

Unfortunately, the next tuesday was 9-11. The next weekend's game against the Pats was postponed. Drew Bledsoe gets injured the next week, Tom Brady steps in, and the Panthers lose the rest of their games.

If there was no 9-11, would Brady have been Brady? Would the Panthers have beaten the dogshit out of the Pats in week 2? The world will never know.

I've still got my 2001 Panthers Schedule mousepad. It's a badge of honor I'll never relinquish

 

[TheDuce22]

Im gonna have to go with Gruden. Monte Kiffin is the true genious on that team.

I've still got my 2001 Panthers Schedule mousepad. It's a badge of honor I'll never relinquish

Btw, just to fill you in, according to GAF that season meant nothing. Throw away the mouse pad and erase it from your memory.

 

[DJ_Tet]

I wish it was that easy

We lost like 7 games on the last freaking play that year. GAF can't erase that memory.

 

[Bat]

If you switch Phil and Larry you get Larry winning a ring and Phil not. Larry took a philly team with 1 superstar to the finals. Do you think Phil can take this Kobe-lakers team to the finals? No.

Phil took the post-Jordan Chicago Bulls to a 55 win season, and were within one game of defeating that year's EC champs (the Knicks). Also, the EC in 2001 (when the sixers made it to the finals) was one of the weakest conferences in memory. The year before the Knicks (who had....Allan Houston and Marcus Camby) made it to the finals; that should tell you something. There were no east power houses like there are now.

And how is Rick Adleman overrated? Who is rating him high?

Let's see....he's still considered a great coach. And no one EVER brings his name up when explaining why his teams keep on choking every year.

 

[J2 Cool]

The Phil Jackson over/under is ridiculous. "How many championship's did the superstar's win without Phil?", "How many did Phil win without superstars. It's a dead argument. Truth be told, he won championships. So did the superstars. You can't put either under the scope with their records. They both did their jobs, that's what leads you to titles. You can't tell me either's carrying the other to a 72-10 season. That's ridiculous.

Anyway, I'll go with Dusty Baker right now. His name is way to known, as shitty as he is. I knew back when we got him, the Cubs needed that new blood. A shot in the arm. They got that but boy are we fucked 3 years down the line.

 

[whytemyke]

The Phil Jackson over/under is ridiculous. "How many championship's did the superstar's win without Phil?", "How many did Phil win without superstars. It's a dead argument. Truth be told, he won championships. So did the superstars. You can't put either into under the scope with their records. They both did their jobs, that's what leads you to titles. You can't tell me either's carrying the other to a 72-10 season. That's ridiculous.

Anyway, I'll go with Dusty Baker right now. His name is way to known, as shitty as he is. I knew back when we got him, the Cubs needed that new blood. A shot in the arm. They got that but boy are we fucked 3 years down the line.

Wilbon? Is that you?

 

[Azwethinkweiz]

Paging Mack Brown

 

[DJ_Tet]

Paging Mack Brown

Now we've got a winner I'm ashamed I didn't think of him sooner. Of course he's really a recruiter more than a coach

 

[Ash Housewares]

Schottenheimer sucks

to call him 'competent' or 'employable' or 'not the worst fucking coach ever' is to overrate him

when you're going for a game winning field goal, you MOVE THE BALL TO THE CENTER OF THE FIELD, FUCKFACE! an extra yard gained won't help, but kicking the ball straight is usually nice, especially when you have a rookie kicker, you could show confidence in him by not panicking and thinking you need an extra 2 yards

 

[SickBoy]

I think Steve Spurrier gets put on this list, too. Same with Bobby Bowden and Bobby Knight.

How is Bell Belicheck on that list? Are you stupid? He's only won 3 superbowls in four years with zero stars and an average quarterback.

He may have three Super Bowls, but let's face it, he's no Dennis Erickson...

I'd say Steve Spurrier, but I think his Redskins craptacularity managed to kill some of the shine... (good!)

Mike Martz is a great offensive co-ordinator, but he lacks any sort of ability to properly manage a game as a coach, either through offensive playcalling or situational decision-making.

Joe Gibbs, I'll give him a little while. Dick Vermeil languished with the Rams for a bit before turning them into a champion. I don't think he's going to follow that same path, though. I think he'll come through as a has-been.

And Jon Gruden, good coach, but I don't think he's as versatile as a lot of NFL coaches. He seems to need a certain template to create success...

But my upset pick of the day: Mike Shanahan. This one's just gut with no back-up, other than I'll say I think he coaches a good game, but he'll never quite reach greatness without Elway. But I do love his hate-on and general success against the Raiders.

 

[AstroLad]

...and I grew up in Chicago, loving the Bears.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Go Saints!

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

Brian Billick, aka "Offensive Genius."

 

[etiolate]

Let's see....he's still considered a great coach. And no one EVER brings his name up when explaining why his teams keep on choking every year.

Every year they bring him up when the Kings lose in the playoffs. I hear it every year. I sweaaaaaar.


And in a disturbing trend there has been Phil Jackson/Kings rumors. =\

 

[Shinobi]

And yet, the Lakers let the man go.

Hell, they let both of 'em go. :lol

Larry Brown in the past year became very overrated. As soon as he won the title, he was being put into the conversation of best of all time.

Bull-shit. He's good. But the best coach of all time doesn't fuck up the god damned Olympics. Nobody fucks up the Olympics. Any of us could have coached the olympic team to a better finish. Christ, we'd all at least have rode the younger stars as far as they'd carry the team.

Honestly now, does anybody really want to argue that a team consisting of Dwayne Wade, Carmello Anthony, Lebron James, and Amare Stoudemire shouldn't have won the gold medal?

And which of those players could shoot outside last year? None of 'em, that's who. Coaching wasn't a problem with that squad...it was simply one of the most ill-conceived rosters in the history of sports, a team packed with slashers and dunkers and not one competent outside shooter. Blame Stu "Lord Dumb Fuck" Jackson for that mess.

The 2003 US squad that Larry coached which qualified for the Olympics had little trouble beating Argentina and Puerto Rico. Why? Because Ray Allen, Vince Carter and T-Mac could hit a three on a semi-consistent basis.

Jordan does deserve all the credit for SOMEthing.

"Why son? Why couldn't you just pay off your bookie?"

:lol :lol :lol

I just honestly think Phil is not nearly as good as everyone believes he is. But you're definitely right on with that stuperstar fact. What's the statistic... like only 8 different teams have won the NBA championship in the last 22 years or so?

Yep...and people have the nerve to say baseball is uncompetitive. :lol Agreed about Pat Riley BTW, he's ridiculously overrated. And he fucking sucks for introducing the shitty defensive crap that polluted the NBA in the 90's.

chony = friend

here are the most overrated coaches of all time (in this order):

1. vince lombardi
2. mike holmgren
3. dick vermeil
4. jimmy johnson
5. bill parcells
6. bill belicheck
7. mike martz

:lol I like how you mention Parcells, Belichek and fucking Lombardi but leave Bill Walsh on the list, even though he was arguably carried by the best QB/WR duo in history.

On the plus side you didn't mention Gibbs, so you're not a total idiot.

BTW, the Patriots did miss the playoffs the season after their first Superbowl, a fact that's never brought up by the Bilichek ball blowers. I think they had a ton of injuries that year, but it still shows that the Pats won't neccessarily be deep enough to withstand another injury barrage (no team is these days).

And for the most overrated coach/manager in all of sports, it isn't even close...

Tony LaRussa has had the "genius" label attached to him by media dumb fucks for some 15 years now, for reasons that simply escape me. He was the manager of the best team in baseball in the late 80's/early 90's with the Oakland A's, and won ONE World Series against a ridiculously weak Giants club. They got SWEPT by the inferior Dodgers, SWEPT by the Reds, and didn't even win the division in '91. Then in '92 he lost to the Blue Jays, which is a fair result except the 92/93 Jays never get much respect from people, nor did Cito Gaston who should've won manager of the year in '89 in a blowout but got assfucked by the dumb fuck voters. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

And what's he done since then? He's taken stacked Cardinals teams to playoff disappointment after playoff disappointment. Last year was simply laughable...they beat a damn good Astros team in 7 games, then get their asses swept by the still giddy as fuck Bosox. It was probably the most anti-climatic final since the Lakers/Nets in 2002, except no one gave the Nets a shot at winning a game anyway.

Fuck Tony LaRussa...and fuck anyone who thinks he's worth a shit.

"Come on...I'm not even a little bit great?"


No, now shut the fuck up.

"......."


That's better.

 

[KilledByBill]

BTW, the Patriots did miss the playoffs the season after their first Superbowl, a fact that's never brought up by the Bilichek ball blowers. I think they had a ton of injuries that year, but it still shows that the Pats won't neccessarily be deep enough to withstand another injury barrage (no team is these days).

I think nobody brings that up because, in hindsight, it looks like a fluke. The Pats went 9-7 that year and lost out on the AFC East title to a tie-breaker with the Jets. In today's NFL where teams go from playing in the Super Bowl one year to 4-12 the next the 2002 Patriots did okay.

But we'll see how good Belicheck is this year now that his coaching staff has been plundered.