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Owned: Wachovia apologizes for slavery ties

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Doth Togo

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Bank's predecessors owned slaves; company hopes to further awareness of African-American history.

June 2, 2005: 9:31 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Wachovia Corporation has apologized for its ties to slavery after disclosing that two of its historical predecessors owned slaves and accepted them as payment.

"On behalf of Wachovia Corporation, I apologize to all Americans, and especially to African-Americans and people of African descent," said Ken Thompson, Wachovia chairman and chief executive officer, in the statement released late Wednesday. "We are deeply saddened by these findings."

The announcement comes as a handful of cities nationwide propose initiatives requiring banks and other large companies to investigate and disclose ties to slavery.

The Charlotte, N.C.-based bank issued a 111-page report to comply with a Chicago ordinance that requires companies that do business with the city to disclose whether they profited from slavery, which ended in the U.S. in 1865.

Historians at the History Factory, a research firm specializing in corporate archival work, found that the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company and the Bank of Charleston -- institutions that ultimately became part of Wachovia through acquisitions -- owned slaves, Wachovia said in the statement.

Records revealed that the Georgia Railroad and Banking Company owned at least 162 slaves, Wachovia said, and that the Bank of Charleston accepted at least 529 slaves as collateral on mortgaged properties or loans. The Bank of Charleston also acquired an undetermined number of people when customers defaulted on their loans.

"We know that we cannot change the past, and we can't make up for the wrongs of slavery," said Thompson. "But we can learn from our past, and begin a stronger dialogue about slavery and the experience of African-Americans in our country."

"We want to promote a better understanding of the African-American experience, including the unique struggles, triumphs and contributions of African-Americans, and their important role in America's past and present," he added.

Wachovia has made the full research report available on its Web site, and said it plans to partner with community organizations to further awareness of African-American history.

Wachovia, one of the nation's largest financial services providers, joins fellow banking giant J.P. Morgan in apologizing for ties to slavery.

Along with Chicago, Richmond, Va., Philadelphia and Los Angeles also require companies that do business within city limits to disclose financial ties with slavery. And city council members in Berkeley, Calif., proposed an ordinance this week that would nullify city contracts with companies that do not acknowledge past practices that aided slavery.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/06/02/news/fortune500/wachovia_slavery/index.htm?cnn=yes
 

tetsuoxb

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I know the US has fucked race relations, and being multi-ethnic, I have experienced them.

That being said, the witch-hunt type atmosphere involving corporations and slavery, which ended 140 years ago, needs to end. It can only have one possible consequence - reparations. Not to mention the fact that this is clearly designed to negatively impact the public relations of companies who are all radically different from their 140 year old predecessors.

Slavery was bad. We all know slavery was bad. We all know people who did business with banks had slaves. This proves nothing and just stokes the fires of race in America.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
human5892 said:
Oh for Christ's sake. Who gives a fucking shit?

tetsuoxb is exactly right.

tetsuoxb might be right... but where the hell is my 40 acres and a g*ddamn mule!??!?!? ;)
 

Xenon

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Just an apology, how about them giving free online billpay and ATM use for all black people?
 

Gattsu25

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Huh.png

eh?
 

Doth Togo

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Xenon said:
Just an apology, how about them giving free online billpay and ATM use for all black people?

BoA has free online bill pay. As for free unlimited ATM use....lol. No way will anyone ever allow that to happen.
 

ToxicAdam

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It seems wierd to apologize for something a company you PURCHASED did .. but good for them for at least acknowledging it.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Gattsu25 said:

That's nothing I've got Asian Sex Trade on one said... Wachovia Bank Home Loans on the other... so I should take out a loan... to get in to the Asian Sex Trade industry?
 

Doth Togo

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I'm a noob when it comes to screen capturing, but this is what the link says at the bottom of this page.

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human5892

Queen of Denmark
Doth Togo said:
I'm a noob when it comes to screen capturing
For future reference:
1.) Hit "Print Screen" on your keyboard
2.) Paste resulting image in any image editing program and save (preferably after cropping it so we're not seeing your whole screen space)
3.) Upload and post image
4.) Enjoy newfound popularity as hilarity ensues
 

Doth Togo

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human5892 said:
For future reference:
1.) Hit "Print Screen" on your keyboard
2.) Paste resulting image in any image editing program and save (preferably after cropping it so we're not seeing your whole screen space)
3.) Upload and post image
4.) Enjoy newfound popularity as hilarity ensues

Thank ye, kind sir.
 

Leatherface

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tetsuoxb said:
I know the US has fucked race relations, and being multi-ethnic, I have experienced them.

That being said, the witch-hunt type atmosphere involving corporations and slavery, which ended 140 years ago, needs to end. It can only have one possible consequence - reparations. Not to mention the fact that this is clearly designed to negatively impact the public relations of companies who are all radically different from their 140 year old predecessors.

Slavery was bad. We all know slavery was bad. We all know people who did business with banks had slaves. This proves nothing and just stokes the fires of race in America.

Well said. I agree 100%.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
DarienA said:
tetsuoxb might be right... but where the hell is my 40 acres and a g*ddamn mule!??!?!? ;)

I'm Half... but I'll settle for 20 acres...
 

karasu

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Slavery wasn't the end of it, it isn't some kind of problem from 140 years ago. I'll never understand why people talk like that. We went rght from slavery into Jim Crow laws. Up until like 40 years ago the history of black people here was generally full of nothing but death and mistreatment, and it all started with slavery. It's one big ripple effect. Wachovia's apology isn't using the past as a 'crux', it's accepting the past for what it is(and that includes being a direct contributor to the now). If that threatens you, you have problems. This is really stand up of them. I'd much rather them acknowledge the darker portion of their organizations history than pretend that history doesn't matter.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
How is Wachovia "owned" for voluntarily bringing forth information about ancient holdings from banks they have acquired?
 

Phoenix

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tetsuoxb said:
I know the US has fucked race relations, and being multi-ethnic, I have experienced them.

That being said, the witch-hunt type atmosphere involving corporations and slavery, which ended 140 years ago, needs to end. It can only have one possible consequence - reparations.

Wow, only one possible consequence? So if I bitch slap you and later come by and say I'm sorry it will lead to reparations? I dunno, you'd think that an acknowledgement of a wrongdoing and a public apology would be a nice thing for them to do.

Not to mention the fact that this is clearly designed to negatively impact the public relations of companies who are all radically different from their 140 year old predecessors.

As is evident by the massive protests of black people outside Wachovia, their falling stock price, hastily filed lawsuits, and riots in the streets?

Slavery was bad. We all know slavery was bad. We all know people who did business with banks had slaves. This proves nothing and just stokes the fires of race in America.

Well.... lets just wait and see which fires get stoked. I anticipate that none will, black people won't pull their money from Wachovia bank, black employees won't start demanding a share of the profits, etc. The only thing this does is hilight something of historical significance and it is highly unlikely that anything else will come of it.
 
karasu said:
Slavery wasn't the end of it, it isn't some kind of problem from 140 years ago. I'll never understand why people talk like that. We went rght from slavery into Jim Crow laws. Up until like 40 years ago the history of black people here was generally full of nothing but death and mistreatment, and it all started with slavery. It's one big ripple effect. Wachovia's apology isn't using the past as a 'crux', it's accepting the past for what it is(and that includes being a direct contributor to the now). If that threatens you, you have problems. This is really stand up of them. I'd much rather them acknowledge the darker portion of their organizations history than pretend that history doesn't matter.

Maybe you misunderstood my statement, which is that I'm sick of groups bringing up the distant past which leads to an unecessary witch hunt just as tetsuoxb said. Also as already mentioned, the company of today is vastly different that it was back then, and its ridiculous how it has to owe up something which the current management had nothing to do with. Yes, slavery was wrong, you don't have to be a genius to know that it was a dark time in our nation's history.

And yes, all the negative after affects of slavery and racism is still alive today. But instead of bitching about the past, I wish groups would just focus their energy on the present and the future.

I'm just annoyed by the fact that some will now hate Wachovia because of its former ties to slavery. That's like me hating all Germans of today because of WWII. Sounds stupid, but people feel this way, and I'm almost certain that a few special interest groups know this when they try to stir shit up.
 

Phoenix

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FortNinety said:
Maybe you misunderstood my statement, which is that I'm sick of groups bringing up the distant past which leads to an unecessary witch hunt just as tetsuoxb said.

Which group brought it up? Oh you mean the law that requires them to disclose it. Yeah, those two are clearly related... an anonymous group and a piece of legislation :)
 

karasu

Member
FortNinety said:
I'm just annoyed by the fact that some will now hate Wachovia because of its former ties to slavery. That's like me hating all Germans of today because of WWII. Sounds stupid, but people feel this way, and I'm almost certain that a few special interest groups know this when they try to stir shit up.


I'm not cancelling my account at Wachovia anytime soon. :/
 

andthebeatgoeson

Junior Member
FortNinety said:
I also believe enough is enough. There's a point where you have to move forward and stop using the past as a crux.

It's not a crux. The reason this came out in public is that a few cities force banks to research and publish this if they have to deal with the city. I have no problem with that. Nobody is doing this to hurt Wachovia. What's wrong with more information? More knowledge?

It can be argued that we only have a rudimentary understanding of slavery, even though it is our history. We are now just finding this out probably because nobody cared in the past or there was an active campaign to suppress this info. I still bank with Wachovia and won't change my banking habits on this but it is useful information. Useful in the sense that in 20 years, I'll probably be teaching my kids about our country's history and the pervasiveness of racism and slavery. If this irritates you that Wachovia is admitting this, maybe you aren't seeing the good that can come from this info. Or the fact that it's a fairytale to believe that we can just forget. We'll be dealing with these issues for a hundred years at least.
 
Phoenix said:
Which group brought it up? Oh you mean the law that requires them to disclose it. Yeah, those two are clearly related... an anonymous group and a piece of legislation :)

Legislation doesn't appear out of no where. They are formed in part due to lobbys and special interest groups.
 

Phoenix

Member
FortNinety said:
Legislation doesn't appear out of no where. They are formed in part due to lobbys and special interest groups.

They are also formed by 'right' thinking politicians as well. Nevertheless it is irrelevant in this case because no 'group' forced Wachovia to divulge this information, they were obligated to do so to do business with the city.

Wachovia did their research, they divulged the information they had to divulge, and life will go on. The only thing revealed here is a historical fact - not a big deal. I've been reading the news feeds since my first post and hitting the blogsphere to find mention of it and I have found only two articles in total that even mention it.
 
Perhaps its foolish to harp on a law that tries to simply lay the facts on the table, and expose some uncomfortable truths to perhaps foster dialogue and help educate people on the past for the future, but one can't deny that there are negative affects (with anything that has the best of intentions). Maybe that's just something which must be delt with regardless... the fact that those of you who find slavery a very personal issue yet won't be leaving Wachovia does speak volumes. Its unfortunate that not everyone might act this ractionally.

There's several ways I could going forward with my stance, but almost all of them involve opening a pandora's box which is sure to piss off everyone on this board, I'm too busy at work to sit and patchwork my argument for the next 7 hours, but I will say this... I'm just been always bothered by groups who are so adamant about talking about past atrocities relating to their own history, but seem rather unconcerned by the fact that racism exist for ALL groups out there.

I'm not saying that every group who advocates the truth about the past, such as with slavery, have selfish reasoning, but it can't be denied thatnot every one of them might have the best interests at heart. And the only reason why I feel this way is that I've had more than my share of arguments with folks when talking about slavery laugh in my face when I point out that blacks were not the only ones enslaved. Plenty of Chinese, Native Americans, and Irish were slaves too. Yes, white people were once slaves in this country. I point this out not to diminish what happened to blacks in this nation, but perhaps to point out that everyone is affected by racism since it doesn't happen with just one group.

And to clarify: does this mean that I find anyone who takes offense to slavery within their history singled minded and selfish? No. I just wish the view on slavery in this country was a bit more open.
 

Doth Togo

Member
Willco said:
How is Wachovia "owned" for voluntarily bringing forth information about ancient holdings from banks they have acquired?

It's a pun on the idea of slavery...owning a person or an entity. Wachovia was "forced" to volunteer this information. Who is the slave (to publicity) now?
 

Phoenix

Member
You are correct that there are negative effects, but if we honestly look at it - there are no negative effects in this particular case that weren't there already. Anyone wanting to shakedown Wachovia could have gained access to this information to shake them down.

I having a feeling what is in your Pandora's box and while it deserves to be discussed, this is probably not the best time,place, and thread for it. I will say that all things being equal - sure there would be an equal claim of 'slavery'. However that simply isn't the case - that argument is easily weakened with a variety of evidence. The topic here isn't really social racism, so that needs to stay in the box for certain. One thing we know by and large is that the significant slave labor base in the United States during that period was African slave labor. That doesn't mean that there weren't other slaves from other cultures, just that their numbers were not significant compared to that of the number of African slaves. As such, bringing up other cultures as a premise for the conclusion is also easily weakened.

Nothing in the United States in the past, present, or future happens to JUST one group. However there are things that disproportionately affect particular groups. To counter these things you may in turn impact the majority that isn't being impacted to protect the minority, but that too isn't 'the same thing' because you are trying to bring balance, to resolve an inequity.

I too wish the view on slavery in this country was a bit more open. I wish it was acknowledged more, I wish that it was given serious and credible consideration in schools, and that we finally acknowledge ALL of the groups that were impacted during that period. Even as a black man I have a particular sorrow for the plight of native Americans who, if they were an animal species, would likely be lobbied to listed on the endagered species list. What happened to them is also appaling. But I digress. Historical disclosure should always be encouraged as all it is is history. It is now a fact and we have to deal with it.
 
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