Oxford student spared jail after stabbing boyfriend had two other assault charges.

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THE Oxford student dubbed too brainy to be jailed for stabbing her lover is said to have attacked him on two previous occasions.
Judge Ian Pringle this week reckoned Lavinia Woodward’s assault had been “a complete one-off.”

Aspiring heart surgeon Woodward stabbed Thomas Fairclough in the leg with a breadknife and hurled a laptop, glass and jam jar at him.

But it has emerged the Christ Church College student, 24, faced two further accusations of assault.

Oxford crown court heard that Woodward admitted wounding Mr Fairclough on September 30 last year.

She also faced separate claims of assaulting him on November 25 and December 12. She denied both charges at an earlier hearing and it was ruled they should lie on file.
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Sun source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36059...d-about-having-cancer-to-cover-up-coke-habit/
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Non Sun source: http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/20/oxfor...friend-had-two-other-assault-charges-6649438/
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Update to the thread I posted a few days back, that sadly got locked because of people defending her and ended up a petty mess. I know The Sun is a scum paper, but the article is pretty good and shows she does need locking up. This appears to not to be her first offence after all.



For people saying it isn't a race thing:

Black offenders presented before a sentencing judge, for example, are 44% more likely to be given custodial sentences for driving offences than white people, 37% more likely for public order offences or possession of a weapon, and 27% more likely for drug possession. Meanwhile, Asian offenders are 19% more likely to be given custodial sentences for shoplifting, and 41% more likely for drug offences.
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According to the Young review, the disproportionate representation of young black and Muslim prisoners in the UK is now greater than that in the US.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society...hnic-minority-young-prisoners-stop-and-search


We have a serious probably with old ass racist judges in this country
 
Cool. I'd love to be unconscious while this person literally holds my life in their hands on a day when they maybe had a fight that morning with their next boyfriend. I'm sure that'll be fine and there's no way her anger issues could ever interfere with her work.
 
I get that situational violence is common, and that it ca be hard to control your emotions in moments where you are vulnerable.

But ouright STABBING someone? Even if this person had no charges before, that type of mentality would be bound to give rise to further attacks from her if not corrected.

Also, just because someone WANTS to be a professional doesn't give license to do whatever they want... How the hell is that a defence?
 
Surely everything that needed to be said, was said in the other thread, the only reason The Sun made the article was to post pictures of her in leather and wading in a lake with no bra, the article is about the length of a GAF Defense Force post.
 
Rktk said:
Surely everything that needed to be said, was said in the other thread, the only reason The Sun made the article was to post pictures of her in leather and wading in a lake with no bra, the article is about the length of a GAF Defense Force post.
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It's a update. Many of the posts were people defending her because it was her first offence, now it appears it wasn't.
 
White privilege, how does it work?
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Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.

And like I've said before: You don't fix the unequal treatment of minorities by punishing white people more harshly. The person in the OP is not a demographic. She's just a fucking person.
 
Fuck anyone that defended this in the first place. So transparent with that bullshit.

Privilege is a motherfucker.
 
So what was she convicted of?

I don't generally have a problem with people not going to jail, as their record is going to ruin their lives more than that anyway.

Honestly at least in the US the system is fucked. If you serve your time/complete your probation I think it's completely fucked that your records are just public information. It makes it nearly impossible to get a job, so it drastically increases the odds of recidivism.
 
ZOONAMI said:
So what was she convicted of?

I don't generally have a problem with people not going to jail, as their record is going to ruin their lives more than that anyway.

Honestly at least in the US the system is fucked. If you serve your time/complete your probation I think it's completely fucked that your records are just public information. It makes it nearly impossible to get a job, so it drastically increases the odds of recidivism.
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Sounds nice. I'm sure minorities wish they were afforded this kind of consideration.

Spoiler:
They're not
 
Talented has nothing to do with it. Same folks spouting that nonsense would be ready to throw her under the jail if she were Magna Cum Laude, an aspiring surgeon and black.
 
Heckler456 said:
Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.
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The training spot she would have taken will instead go to someone else. Someone who isn't attacking their SO on a regular basis. This is a good thing, because given her history, the odds of this behavior reoccurring and future investment in her going to waste is likely quite high. Training spots and resources aren't unlimited, and your actions have consequences.
 
Heckler456 said:
Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.

And like I've said before: You don't fix the unequal treatment of minorities by punishing white people more harshly. The person in the OP is not a demographic. She's just a fucking person.
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People in the middle/end of their degrees shouldn't be arrested, then?
You know, cause of their future?
Even if they stab someone?
Good to know, I guess.
OH, SHE'S GONNA BE A HEART SURGEON OH THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT

HAHA. No, son.
 
kirblar said:
The training spot she would have taken will instead go to someone else. Someone who isn't attacking their SO on a regular basis. This is a good thing, because given her history, the odds of this behavior reoccurring and future investment in her going to waste is likely quite high. Training spots aren't unlimited, and your actions have consequences.
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The judge took this into account. The stay of punishment or whatever you'd call it is probationary, depending on how her drug addiction progresses, and presumably depending on whether or not she assaults anyone again too.

If she relapses, she goes away. If she doesn't, she doesn't.
 
Heckler456 said:
Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.

And like I've said before: You don't fix the unequal treatment of minorities by punishing white people more harshly. The person in the OP is not a demographic. She's just a fucking person.
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It got locked because people were defending her and it got into petty arguments. Again the victim who has been abused and stabbed by this girl is the person you should be caring about. Not the girl that likes physically abusing and stabbing her bf.
 
How did a trial end up in front of a judge and these priors, on her record, are conveniently and mysteriously absent until afterwards when she's freed.

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So can we admit she needs, at the very least, rehabilitation, and to be spared from occupying a position that could go to someone who doesn't have a history of assault charges?
 
Combination of:

But female on male assault doesn't exist
But white people can't be evil
But rich people can't be evil
But professionals can't be evil
But white, hot blondes can't be evil
Just A Kid
But her parents are important

Pick three or four. But yeah, sure, racism is over.
 
Beefy said:
It got locked because people were defending her and it got into petty arguments. Again the victim who has been abused and stabbed by this girl is the person you should be caring about. Not the girl that likes physically abusing and stabbing her bf.
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I care about both of them. I don't immediately write people off based on Sun.co.uk articles.

I'm sure the guy's alright. Do we even know how severe the wound was? I doubt she'd be free if she had crippled the guy for life. Or should I be suing my sister for that time we were in a fight, and she pushed me, and I fell on the back of my head, which left me with a gash?
 
Heckler456 said:
I care about both of them. I don't immediately write people off based on Sun.co.uk articles.

I'm sure the guy's alright. Do we even know how severe the wound was? I doubt she'd be free if she had crippled the guy for life. Or should I be suing my sister for that time we were in a fight, and she pushed me, and I fell on the back of my head, which left me with a gash?
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How do you know the guy is alright for being with a abusive partner? How many times did she abuse him and he didn't report it? You do know how messed up that can get people right? You are basically defending a person who now appears to have a past of abusing her bf.
 
Heckler456 said:
By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.
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Who gives a shit? Let's hope you never get stabbed by someone volunteers for the Red Cross or is an aspiring Firefighter. The last thing we'd want is them getting held accountable for their actions, right?

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.

And like I've said before: You don't fix the unequal treatment of minorities by punishing white people more harshly. The person in the OP is not a demographic. She's just a fucking person.
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So, what's the context of a girlfriend stabbing her boyfriend and then throwing objects at him that makes it justified for her not to serve any jail time? Because at least the dude that you're referencing served some time, showed signs that he had been rehabilitated and had become a productive member of society. If the Oxford student somehow got out of an excessively-long punishment after serving some of her time and gone on to show in the interim that she had changed as a person, then I would be fine with commuting the rest of her sentence, too. But she's avoiding any sort of sentence outright.

It's like Polanski defenders who say that the dude should get a pass since what he did only happened once and that it was so long ago.

Heckler456 said:
Or should I be suing my sister for that time we were in a fight, and she pushed me, and I fell on the back of my head, which left me with a gash?
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If you fucking want to. It's your choice since her actions obviously affected you, just as the girlfriend's actions obviously affected her stabbed boyfriend.
 
Heckler456 said:
Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.
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This lady obviously has a drinking and anger problem (I'm not judging, we all have flaws), and there is not actually any evidence of her leading an admirable life for a long enough period post crime to know if this was appropriate or not as a point of comparison. She has a track record of these issues, and the problem is that after a certain amount of time you do need to be given harsher punishments so that you may learn for real.

A year or two in jail might have calmed her down, got her off the drugs, re-focused her life and allowed her to be the intelligent and productive individual I'm sure she is capable of anyway. The outcome of jail is not always a lifetime of pain, despite added difficulties. So that's not necessarily the best argument against her receiving some time in this case.

TheSun said:
Oxford crown court heard that Woodward admitted wounding Mr Fairclough on September 30 last year.

She also faced separate claims of assaulting him on November 25 and December 12. She denied both charges at an earlier hearing and it was ruled they should lie on file.
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There are other differences too. For example, that inmate you linked about had already served a sizable sentence. He didn't just avoid serious punishment.

I am against the death penalty, and all for a rehabilitative prison system so I am not without understanding the baseline for your argument. But in order for justice to be fair, we have to be prepared to understand that for certain repeated crimes, there will undoubtedly come longer and harsher penalties and jail sentences. You can't just say "well this person will become a surgeon, think of all the lives she'll say", because that inherently creates two standards of justice for those talented enough to wield a scalpel and those not. There are already multiple standards of justice when it comes to minorities and police officers and white folk, we don't need to further fracture the legal systems of various countries.

I don't think she is beyond redemption or anything, but given the seriousness of her crime, the repeated nature of it and the fact that she appears to have a drug/anger problem and so is no guarantee she won't make a future bad judgment call due to being under the influence and then really hurt someone or perhaps kill them.

Where I believe the biggest issue separates you and the others is this idea that normal punishment here would be excessive. Maybe you believe the law itself should be changed, that people entering the healthcare profession shouldn't have to declare their criminal background. An admirable idea. But I don't believe we should start arbitrarily treating some people different than others merely because of some potential to do future good. There's really no way to say that this wouldn't be the case for anybody going to jail. And then when you start debating that in your head, the case really starts to go cold.
 
Heckler456 said:
Loving the kumbaya of people here proclaiming the ones defending the judge's decision as if we're the scum of the earth. Besides, the thread was closed due to other stuff as well. Doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd leave that part out though.

By the way, the reason I agree with the judge's decision is in light of her receiving a fitting punishment. Let's leave aside this media circus already being enough of a punishment. Her punishment resulting in her chosen career (which, by the way, would be her engaging herself in helping out people as a heart surgeon) effectively no longer being viable for her entire life, while also invalidating the last 6 years she spent on it, is in fact excessive.

I also wonder where some of you guys were in this thread. A punishment is a punishment right? Context doesn't matter, right? And yet, I doubt any of you guys would disagree (me included) that his punishment was too excessive and that the added context of him living an admirable life after the clerical error gave him the right to go free.

And like I've said before: You don't fix the unequal treatment of minorities by punishing white people more harshly. The person in the OP is not a demographic. She's just a fucking person.
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Why should accomplished individuals receive a lesser punishment?
 
Heckler456 said:
I care about both of them. I don't immediately write people off based on Sun.co.uk articles.

I'm sure the guy's alright. Do we even know how severe the wound was? I doubt she'd be free if she had crippled the guy for life. Or should I be suing my sister for that time we were in a fight, and she pushed me, and I fell on the back of my head, which left me with a gash?
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Because the only possible injury is physical. Also, her slot would easily go to someone else. She's not the last aspiring doctor out there.
 
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