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[GDGF]

I think its gonna be the PSP. I really think it's the hardware that will have the biggest impact in 2005.

In the next few months I think you will see a slew of announcements like Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, and full EA backing of the PSP.

I understand where you're coming from, but it is my opinion that if you put those franchises against a 99$ NDS (it'll happen by next xmas...almost happened this xmas) with Pokemon, Final Fantasy, and enter Nintendo games here, well...the PSP will have a nice Christmas, but not a Pokemon christmas

 

[soundwave05]

Pokemon is still a huge franchise, but it has declined since its 1999/2000 hey-day.

I don't think Sony cares quite frankly about the Pokemon audience. That's likely an audience they're not gonna have, and they're fine with that.

But they do want the 16-28 year olds, I think that's their core audience that they want to "wow". Then down the line as the PSP is cheaper and has higher capacity battery, I think you'll see them target younger kids more.

Sony will probably push Square-Enix to put the 3D Final Fantasy games (VII, VIII, IX, etc.) on the PSP. I think the PSP has a good chance of outselling the DS, even with Pokemon next Christmas.

 

[Diffense]

Amir0x, it honestly not worth my time to do 'research' to establish such a trivial thing beyond scientific and statistical reproach...lol.

There are at least two DS threads on the first page in which the same tired argument rages. I've seen more than enough to justify my observation. Maybe if my 'outrageous' claims disturb you so much, and you have time to burn, you should do the 'research' and write a thesis to discredit me.

 

[COCKLES]

Sony are really losing out with it`s late US launch. The DS is getting a huge headstart.

"It won't make any difference"

 

[Amir0x]

Amir0x, it honestly not worth my time to do 'research' to establish such a trivial thing beyond scientific and statistical reproach...lol.

There are at least two DS threads on the first page in which the same tired argument rages. I've seen more than enough to justify my observation. Maybe if my 'outrageous' claims disturb you so much, and you have time to burn, you should do the 'research' and write a thesis to discredit me.

No, but see, in order for you to accurately guage this you must also compare the DS threads to the PSP threads. We have an official PSP thread and PSP battery life thread. Lo' and behold! PSP thread has been trolled at like four different points and the battery life thread is overflowing with trolls.

You just generally don't get banned around here for trolling.

 

[GDGF]

Pokemon is still a huge franchise, but it has declined since its 1999/2000 hey-day.

I don't think Sony cares quite frankly about the Pokemon audience. That's likely an audience they're not gonna have, and they're fine with that.

But they do want the 16-28 year olds, I think that's their core audience that they want to "wow". Then down the line as the PSP is cheaper and has higher capacity battery, I think you'll see them target younger kids more.

Sony will probably push Square-Enix to put the 3D Final Fantasy games (VII, VIII, IX, etc.) on the PSP. I think the PSP has a good chance of outselling the DS, even with Pokemon next Christmas.

About Pokemon, the only thing that's really declined is it's toy and anime business. The games are still selling gangbusters, and that really doesn't look to change anytime soon.
And I think sony would love to have the Pokemon audience.

About Square, their first (and only announced so far) PSP game isn't even due to arrive until late '06. By then I think we'll know who the winner in this little hardware war will be, honestly.

Still, everybody knows about where everybody stands on this issue. It's going to be interesting seeing this thread in a year or so

 

[Diffense]

You just generally don't get banned around here for trolling.

Oh no, Amir I've seen people banned for saying pretty innocuous things about the PSP. Like saying that you can play the DS while you wait for it to recharge. Now this is not something I want to go on for pages about (GA invites long winded back and forths about the most inconsequential things) but I don't doubt that there's more leeway for trolling the DS here.

 

[Foobar]

Dunno why people think PSP is going to soar in sales since the target audience Sony's aiming at for handhelds doesn't really exist... and even when it does, they eventually lose it in their closet/sockdrawer with all the other "gee-whiz" neato-keen gizmos they buy. PSP with be played by adults just as DS and GBA SP were - cool for a brief fling, but then they go back to thier consoles and PC games and forget about handhelds completely.

A grownup gamer into handhelds is truely a hardcore gamer, but most of us won't have the time on our hands for this kind of stuff. I have to make time for it as it is. Kids will have the time and with PSP's sad battery life, I don't think its going to be a big hit with kids. Parents sure as hell aren't going to welcome it after buying a DS for Christmas.

 

[Amir0x]

Oh no, Amir I've seen people banned for saying pretty innocuous things about the PSP. Like saying that you can play the DS while you wait for it to recharge. Now this is not something I want to go on for pages about (GA invites long winded back and forths about the most inconsequential things) but I don't doubt that there's more leeway for trolling the DS here.

Heh. I know exactly the person you're talking about. Again, you lack context.

The person who made that comment is one of the worst trolls we have at GAF. That comment, among others, broke the camel's back like fifty eight times.

 

[soundwave05]

Pokemon software sales have dropped off too. It still sells an amazing amount of copies, but it has definitely slowed, or perhaps levelled off.

The audience for PSP does exist ... it's those kids who buy portable devices like fashion items, the i-Pod, the flashiest cell phones, those who have a GBA but would like something more akin to their PS2 ... that's the consumer that Sony will wow with the PSP.

PSP is going to blow a lot of people away simply because a lot of them don't even think a product like this is possible. When they think about portable gaming, most of them still think the GBA SP is the best/standard for what's possible with portables. The PSP is going to stun some people. I think it will become the "must have" portable gadget for older consumers in short order, supplanting the i-Pod.

 

[Diffense]

Heh. I know exactly the person you're talking about. Again, you lack context.

And someone else was banned for starting more of a DS advocacy thread than a PSP bashing one (I suppose that's a straw that broke the camel's back too...lol). Not to mention the exploits of those than can troll with impunity because of their status here. Frankly, I think my original post has quite enough of a foundation to stand on.

And there's my last word on that.

BTW, I've been here a long time (from IGN-affiliate days). Don't let the 'junior-member' fool you, it goes by post count. Even my registration on this (post ez-) board predates yours by at least 4 months. I know that people DO get banned for trolling here with *certain* (wink wink) exceptions dependent on the target and originator.

 

[jarrod]

Pokemon software sales have dropped off too. It still sells an amazing amount of copies, but it has definitely slowed, or perhaps levelled off.

And yet, a slowed, leveled off Pokemon still manages to outperfrom a hot hyped Grand Theft Auto.

 

[maharg]

You can't measure demand beyond supply. You can say there IS demand beyond the available supply, but to insist that one product has a significantly larger demand when they don't even have comparable supply is absurd. If Nintendo had only shipped 200k units of the DS at launch, it's impossible to say what its ebay price would have been.

Nerds will pay anything for something they can't have, and it shows in just about every hardware launch of something gadgety in history.

 

[GDGF]

I don't really know that we can say the game's popularity has leveled off due to the sales of Fire Red and Leaf Green (since they were both remakes)

A remake is going to sell less than the original, that's pretty much a given. Pokemon Diamond and Pearl will sell gangbusters, though. Completely new entries.

 

[segasonic]

12.000?

That definitely deserved its own press release...

 

[GDGF]

Nerds will pay anything for something they can't have, and it shows in just about every hardware launch of something gadgety in history.

a.k.a The first one million is easy. Everything else you have to work your ass off for.

 

[soundwave05]

I just think the PSP is a "holy sh!t, is this even possible?" type of product, and that's pretty rare in the game business.

I really feel when casual shoppers see it, they will do a double take because it's so far ahead of anything else and the design is so well done.

But that $199.99 US price point is going to be the real kicker. Sony just went for the kill with that price.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

you people need to stop stealing the NDS party with your PSP talks!!

I'm not speaking of PSP until Boggy WOggy Santa Clause brings me one (yes its a song I'm at kinkos and they are killing me with xmas music)

 

[jarrod]

I just think the PSP is a "holy sh!t, is this even possible?" type of product, and that's pretty rare in the game business.

I dunno... the way mobile solutions are progressing, we'll likely have phones on market next fall that outperform it. The amazing screen is PSP's real wow facor though.

But that $199.99 US price point is going to be the real kicker. Sony just went for the kill with that price.

They had to... at $299 they'd price themselves out of the market like Nokia, regardless of their technology. They just need to hope Nintendo isn't as ruthless with price drops as they were in the mid 1990s. DS can go down a lot I'd imagine, I'm not sure PSP can go much or any lower with PS3 investment looming.

 

[mashoutposse]

I just think the PSP is a "holy sh!t, is this even possible?" type of product, and that's pretty rare in the game business.

I really feel when casual shoppers see it, they will do a double take because it's so far ahead of anything else and the design is so well done.

But that $199.99 US price point is going to be the real kicker. Sony just went for the kill with that price.

EXACTLY.

 

[Unison]

They had to... at $299 they'd price themselves out of the market like Nokia, regardless of their technology. They just need to hope Nintendo isn't as ruthless with price drops as they were in the mid 1990s. DS can go down a lot I'd imagine, I'm not sure PSP can go much or any lower with PS3 investment looming.

The problem w/ this theory, and I read it a lot on here, is that no matter what the Nintendo system costs, the PSP is still an incredible value at $179-199.

 

[maharg]

The problem w/ this theory, and I read it a lot on here, is that no matter what the Nintendo system costs, the PSP is still an incredible value at $179-199.

And the problem with this counterclaim is that it looks at value only from the supply side. All claims anyone makes here are problematic until the comparison is on equal ground.

 

[Atomsmasher]

Wow, two DS hate threads on the main page at the same time. Give it a rest. Seriously.