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Soriku said:
SE really should capitalize on Persona's popularity and release another TWEWY game. But alas...



I played P4 when I was like 15. 14 is fine.

Demon nudity is generally not too explicit, and you can go through the whole game without ever reaching the dick demon.

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Honestly, I'd argue Incubus is worse than Mara as far as phallic shit goes, since you're far more likely to end up using incubus in a typical playthrough (Mara is high level and in p3 requires a special fusion)
 
Aaronrules380 said:
Not a persona, but by far the most explicit sexual content in either game is this boss fight so here's a video link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PB8wVHtl40
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That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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The game isn't anti-religious. The game doesn't even bring religion into the story at all. Think of the actual Persona you collect as Pokemon, except based off of religious imagery.

Also Satan is pretty damn powerful to get. I wouldn't be surprised if you never get that Persona or see it in the game.
 
Oh and we both love Nintendo games. All of them in general. Fans of xenoblade, bravely default, Kingdom Hearts, fire Emblem etc as rpgs goes.
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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Not really, just all the personas (and a major enemies) are based on figures from all sorts of mythology, including judeo-christian lore. Now if we were talking about the mainline SMT games on the other hand, it'd be a different story (Pretty sure Christian God is literally the final boss in several routes in some of those games)
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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Persona series isn't anti-religious. There may be some persona with religious themes, but nothing to do with the series story.

I feel like 14/15 is a good enough age to not be affected by what's in the series.
 
Aaronrules380 said:
Not really, just all the personas (and a major enemies) are based on figures from all sorts of mythology, including judeo-christian lore. Now if we were talking about the mainline SMT games on the other hand, it'd be a different story (Pretty sure Christian God is literally the final boss in several routes in some of those games)
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Wow. Glad this is not that game then xD
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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It's not anti-religious, the series (and SMT) take inspiration from various cultures and religions. I think SMT2 is the only one that could be seen as anti-christianity, from what I've seen.
 
Logash said:
All the Persona games are on PSN so you can download and play them on your PS3. Persona 3 is where the modern series starts and it will give you an idea where the series is heading with 5. Persona 3 is a little rough around the edges gameplay wise though. Persona 4 is an improvement in almost every way but there are arguments that Persona 3's story is better. I'd say start with 3 and if you are annoyed by the gameplay there is no shame is doing Persona 4. Just keep in mind that if you start with 4 that it will be hard to go back to the gameplay of 3
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Nintendoga said:
P1 and 2 have aged somewhat in the gameplay department, but have great stories and characters, so give them a try if you want. Each Persona game is independent storywise, with a reference here and there.

Persona 3 and 4 are the more popular titles. If you have a PS3, grab Persona 3 FES and Persona 4 off PSN, they're pretty cheap these days. If you have a Vita, grab Persona 4 Golden and Persona 3 Portable.

I say start with 3 or 4, get used to the series, and then go back to 1 or 2, but it's up to you.
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Thank you.
 
Reveirg said:
Where does the Sony involvement rumor stem from?
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Probably from the later PS4 addition.

jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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You can summon figures from religion, mythology, folklore, etc. to fight for you. That includes Satan and Lucifer (two separate entities), or angels like Michael and Gabriel, but also a wide array of other figures.

Persona isn't anti-religious. Other SMT games are more critical of the Abrahamic God though.
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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Persona, no, they just reusing assets from SMT series. The story or theme of the Persona series are mostly based on old mythos rather than biblical. Mainline SMT game on the other hand...

Anti-religious is too strong word since I think Atlus writer only use biblical theme as an excuse, but you did fight God as last boss in some SMT games lol
 
jgminto said:
It's not anti-religious, the series (and SMT) take inspiration from various cultures and religions. I think SMT2 is the only one that could be seen as anti-christianity, from what I've seen.
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Yeah taking inspiration it's totally fine. Does not matter. Didn't know that about SMT2. But this isn't it
 
eyeball_kid said:
Okay, follow me down the rabbit hole a minute...

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So Citroën seems to be the car logo that inspired the school logo this time around. Interestingly, Lupin (which the Persona team said was a stylistic influence) drove a Citroën 2CV in The Castle of Cagliostro. Citroën was also very innovative in the late 1960's, ahead of its time in features, during the same time the original Lupin III manga was written. And just like the Persona team seems to be trying to innovate with P5.

This changes everything
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Yeah don't think so. School crest has three chevrons not two like the Citreon logo. More importantly chevrons are super common especially on emblems/crests. If anything the cast being described as delinquents and possibly at a school for delinquents it could be somewhat militaristic in structure. Would also explain the chevrons on the MC's collar as some kind of rank, but that's probably reading into it too much. Plaid pants aren't exactly military style.
 
jgminto said:
It's not anti-religious, the series (and SMT) take inspiration from various cultures and religions. I think SMT2 is the only one that could be seen as anti-christianity, from what I've seen.
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SMT 2 is probably the most blatant, but in pretty much any mainline SMT game (and most of the spinoffs), the Law Side characters are angels working on christian god, and the rest of the demons are more representative of chaos (This is from a story perspective, I'm aware that several types of demons are given a law alignment from a gameplay perspective, but storywise demons are usually neutral at best) and chaos is led by Lucifer. Granted you can choose sides, but that doesn't stop the law side from always having really questionable actions
like commiting genocide at the law end of SMT IV
 
jorgejjvr said:
That doesn't seem like anything really.

Wait so Satan as well?? How does that fit in??

We are also both Christians lol. Sorry for making things so complicated. Don't get the wrong idea I don't mix up fiction with any of this. For example, I love bayonetta 1 and 2. It's fiction and it's own entity and world building. That has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can enjoy it as the game that it is, like a movie. But I'm curious about him. Is this anti religious?
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Only the main SMT games would make you cringe Religious/Christian wise. Say, the Persona games have nothing that, let's say, Xenoblade already has regarding deities.
 
DryEyeRelief said:
Eh, Sony is involved with Street Fighter 5 and that game is still getting a PC release.
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Not exactly the same thing... Capcom is still fully publishing the game and Capcom had presence on the PC market (Dead Rising, Remember Me, DmC, etc.). Atlus has yet to release something major on PC.
 
Also worth noting that as far as christian themes go, there is a LOT of jesus imagery surrounding P3 Main Protagonist (and his "ultimate" persona is Messiah, even if they say it's not representative of any one savior figure)
 
Aaronrules380 said:
SMT 2 is probably the most blatant, but in pretty much any mainline SMT game (and most of the spinoffs), the Law Side characters are angels working on christian god, and the rest of the demons are more representative of chaos (This is from a story perspective, I'm aware that several types of demons are given a law alignment from a gameplay perspective, but storywise demons are usually neutral at best) and chaos is led by Lucifer. Granted you can choose sides, but that doesn't stop the law side from always having really questionable actions
like commiting genocide at the law end of SMT IV
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Oh okay. So even there there's choice it seems at the very least. Got it.
 
jorgejjvr said:
I'm also curious, and off topic now, why did SMT put you in the shoes to fight God himself? Seems like too much
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Most of them don't, and while you can fight Lucifer in pretty much all of them, Usually the Law Boss you fight on chaos and neutral routes is just a really high ranking angel
 
jorgejjvr said:
I'm also curious, and off topic now, why did SMT put you in the shoes to fight God himself? Seems like too much
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Japanese devs like using religious themes a lot. Some are more critical than others. SMT is pretty heavy on myths and such, so they just didn't mind having you fight God. Plus the game only released in Japan where they're not Christian-minded.

You can fight Lucifer too. In SMT2 you can kill both lol.

TheBaronOfNA said:
Only the main SMT games would make you cringe Religious/Christian wise. Say, the Persona games have nothing that, let's say, Xenoblade already has regarding deities.
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I'd argue Xenoblade is worse. The end of Xenoblade is pretty critical of creator gods.

Lightning Returns is also really critical.
 
Well thanks everyone. A friend told me he'll lend me P4. So I'll be able to try it for myself and see it for myself and then decide whether or not he should play. Although, listening to everything it doesn't seem like a big deal. However, everyone tells me it is an amazing rpg. I just checked metacritc and has a score of 93. Wow, I'm excited
 
I feel a bit bad for The Order, Bloodborne, and Witcher 3 marketing teams who have been having a nice steady stream of trailers and such only to have a nuke named Persona 5 go off.
 
Soriku said:
Japanese devs like using religious themes a lot. Some are more critical than others. SMT is pretty heavy on myths and such, so they just didn't mind having you fight God. Plus the game only released in Japan where they're not Christian-minded.



I'd argue Xenoblade is worse. The end of Xenoblade is pretty critical of creator gods.

Lightning Returns is also really critical.
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I think Xenoblade is more critical of the idea of a single being holding so much power, moreso than the idea of gods themselves. Mayneth was very much on the good side, and they state even the final boss might've been able to come to terms with them if they had put forth more effort
 
F4r0_Atak said:
Like I said, with the rumor of SCE helping funding and making (and possibly marketing the game with Atlus),I don't really see the game being on PC happening.

Second, the developers you named in that post just happened to make most of the super niche games, with Compile Hearts being a studio under Idea Factory and Acquire being under GungHo (which happens to make most of its money from mobile and MMO games, which happens to have PC as a main platform). The problems with their games from being super niche is they are too weird for the regular market of gamers and JRPG fans in general. Despite the popularity of the systems they release their games on (DS, PSP, PS3, etc), they don't and will never have a bigger market than what they already have. After reviewing their financial situation, you could easily figure that releasing some of their games on PC (via Steam) could cope a bit for that publishing cost affiliated with Japanese games.

Furthermore, if you also take into account that, despite looking like "niche" games, the Persona franchise (and to some extent the Shin Megami Tensei franchise) are "hardcore" JRPGs at heart, which has a much much larger market available to them and that already makes them way more appealing to the regular market and JRPG fans alike. The main attraction with the Persona franchise is the idea of Murder/Mystery/Cult/Demons fused to a JRPG, which already makes it more appealing than the Final Fantasy franchise for a lot of people. The only advantage Square used to have for their games is the marketing power they bring for their big titles, but based on the impressions and reactions to the latest Persona 5 trailer, more people seem to be hyped for this game than FF XV.
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Hmm, so basically a port is unlikely because the game would be successful enough and they don't need to do it? But isn't bringing a game to even broader audience a good thing to everyone involved, especially when it's popular to begin with that the risk is small? Is it a pride thing?
 
Aaronrules380 said:
I think Xenoblade is more critical of the idea of a single being holding so much power, moreso than the idea of gods themselves. Mayneth was very much on the good side, and they state even the final boss might've been able to come to terms with them if they had put forth more effort
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Yeah it really was nothing. And zamza was a human that wanted to be God pretty much.
 
Aaronrules380 said:
I think Xenoblade is more critical of the idea of
a single being holding so much power, moreso than the idea of gods themselves. Mayneth was very much on the good side, and they state even the final boss might've been able to come to terms with them if they had put forth more effort
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Mayneth was cool, but she herself said that the world didn't need either her or Zanza.

Also IIRC it was Zanza himself not putting any effort with his creations, not the other way around.
 
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