I think you have the watch the TV twice for the trigger.
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I think you have the watch the TV twice for the trigger.
Interact with the TV again after seeing the news or whatever is on.
Ryuji at the start of the creation of the phantom thieves wants to change the world and save it with his own ideals, this doesn't change throughout the whole game till the end where his ideals slightly shift but thats more of a group thing then a personal thing.
While Yosuke just wanted to figure out the murders which then escalated into what it did.
The story P5 leading to where it did wasn't a surprise, the story of P4 leading to where it did is, unless you're used to SMT games or something.
click the TV again after the news/shopping channel, it unlocks more options.
Really that's it?! Wow I'm an idiot.
Thank you, I really wished I asked sooner now
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
I kept hearing this fucking confidant was good but
I held off paying for her bullshit holy stone until December because I thought it was a rip-off and it fucking broke into salt the same evening.
I could care less what great benefits this confidant gives you, I'm making coffee and curry at LeBlanc instead.
I'm not talking about where the story leads, but how their characters change throughout it. (BIG P4 Spoilers + P5 Spoilers):
Izanami and Yaldabaoth appearing do not change the motivations of Yosuke or Ryuji, that's irrelevant.
It's not a significant arc in Ryuji's case. It's not a dramatic personality change. But I can say that Yosuke's resolve, right from the start of the game, remains consistent and the same until the end. Ryuji's resolve, because of obstacles they face along the way, strengthens in the main story path. This is a fundamental difference.
This is a problem I had with P4 when I played it in 2009, having come from P3 FES which did have important character arcs and changes baked into the main story.
toddhunter
Member
The problem with Ryuji's development is that it actively fucks up most of the game.
Start scene you were looking forward to:
Everyone else: This is cool, we are going to have fun!
Ryuji: This sucks, we should be more popular. How can we be more popular?
Everyone else: It isn't about that, don't be a dick.
End scene
Youske ruins a lot of scenes in P4 as well but he does it in a way which is consistent with the general immaturity of the rest of the group. There is basically no reason people like Makoto and the MC would put up with Ryuji's bullshit except that he happened to be there at the start. Even in a game about not fitting in, he doesn't fit in. He should just be helping Mishima with the css on the website or something and stay the fuck away from what everyone else is trying to do.
Start scene you were looking forward to:
Everyone else: This is cool, we are going to have fun!
Ryuji: This sucks, we should be more popular. How can we be more popular?
Everyone else: It isn't about that, don't be a dick.
End scene
Youske ruins a lot of scenes in P4 as well but he does it in a way which is consistent with the general immaturity of the rest of the group. There is basically no reason people like Makoto and the MC would put up with Ryuji's bullshit except that he happened to be there at the start. Even in a game about not fitting in, he doesn't fit in. He should just be helping Mishima with the css on the website or something and stay the fuck away from what everyone else is trying to do.
Mediking
Member
The scene where the group is talking about studying for exams and how they should celebrate about beating the 3rd Palace literally goes against what you said about Ryuji.
You done fucked up.
The Rank 7 ability is absolutely important if you want to try to max confidant ranks in your first playthrough.
After beating the game, I absolutely wished I ranked up the confidant quicker.
Agreed. Perhaps for the same reason too. I played Persona 3 when it came out in Europe in 08, and then imported Persona 4 from the US when it came out late 08.
Persona 3 did a much better incorporating character growth in the main story. Even the females, who did actually have a social link, managed to have pretty good character development outside of that. Persona 4 lacked that. Besides their corresponding arc/dungeon, everything else felt like it got shoved into their social link.
I think Persona 5 still has that problem to a certain extent too, but I do believe it has done it a bit better than 4.
Duckroll already covered this:
He's one of the driving forces of the Phantom Thieves, a reliable combatant and pretty good terms with everyone barring Morgana. He fits in fine.
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Maxed out all the confidants I wanted to so I'm good. The only ones I didn't max out are Tower, Hanged Man, Devil, Fortune, and Priestess. I'll live.
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toddhunter
Member
Great example. Let's look at the scene:
* Starts with Ryuji being dumb. Makoto gives up trying to help
* They watch the tv
* Ryuji complains about them being the bad guys.
* Ann says don't worry about it.
* Ryuji talks about how many people are talking about them and how much hype! there is on the forums
* Morgana tells him to stop being a dick about it
* Ryuji gets excited about taking on a "bigger" target
* Makoto tells him to worry about his exams
* Ryuji ignores this and starts talking about how to celebrate
* They watch the tv
* Ryuji complains about them being the bad guys.
* Ann says don't worry about it.
* Ryuji talks about how many people are talking about them and how much hype! there is on the forums
* Morgana tells him to stop being a dick about it
* Ryuji gets excited about taking on a "bigger" target
* Makoto tells him to worry about his exams
* Ryuji ignores this and starts talking about how to celebrate
This is literally what I'm talking about. Nobody else gives a fuck, but it is all about Ryuji's bullshit. If this was the real world, you would make plans with him and then get together with the rest of the group later and go do something else.
In general, you can't just pull a "but Duckroll" but more specifically this is about Ryuji's roll in making the whole game less enjoyable to play.
i have to be honest i found almost nothing wrong with ryuuji apart from his habit of shouting about the phantom thieves in public, and given the general trope of 'nobody in a jrpg can overhear your conversations' i never really had that much of a problem with that anyway.
i have a much bigger problem with morgana's
in the middle of september (and admittedly ryuuji's role in it, but that's just because he's an insensitive jerk anyway)
much like with yosuke i don't really have a problem with the character being a jackass, but the fact you can't meaningfully call characters on being a jackass is what really grinds my gears
i have a much bigger problem with morgana's
hissyfit
much like with yosuke i don't really have a problem with the character being a jackass, but the fact you can't meaningfully call characters on being a jackass is what really grinds my gears
toddhunter
Member
Yes that was very poorly executed. You think they could have found a better way to transition into that.
If you bugth the TV and console, just press x at the TV a second time after the dialogue box of the TV program or news closes.
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not pulling a "but Duckroll", i'm using that post to (again) refute the argument that Ryuji doesn't fit into the group.
And you're being hyperbolic. Ryuji being obnoxious doesn't fuck up the game any more than (insert any short-tempered JRPG character) fucked up a particular group dynamic. Disliking that character is fine, but to act like he makes the game actively less enjoyable is ridiculous.
He's an excitable 16 year old on a serious power trip. This is nothing.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
And here I thought Mishima was the most disliked character.
serenewarfare
Banned
I think by the end of the game, Ryuji really comes around. And he was your bro when no one wanted to touch you. Yeah, he's an idiot at times, but he's the idiot you keep around because you know you can depend on him to be there no matter what.
mishima is such a fascinating character portrait because he's unambiguously a victim, but at the same time, he can also be a total dumbass
Trigonometrize.
Member
The fight in the middle of the game was well-written to me. It didn't drag too long and had a nice conclusion. No character was wrong.
Mediking
Member
Mishima is awesome. Another character who reminds me of somebody from Death Note. Lol
So I started a New Game+ to do some of the exclusive stuff in it and decided to turn on the Japanese voices for a change of pace... but why are the subtitles awful? Only the barest dialog is translated. There was a whole segment where the camera is staring at a TV reporter talking and none of it's subtitled for what felt like a whole minute before I just skipped the scene altogether. Who would okay this?
TetraGenesis
Member
Sending the calling card for palace
doesn't end anything early, unlike the previous one, right?
7
Nope, you can do it whenever.
TetraGenesis
Member
yep, technically all the palaces can be done in under 2-3 days depending on the scenes, you get to the treasure and you send the card or wait it doesn't waste days at all.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
Yeah I actually found his arc interesting even if he does have moments where you just wanna slap the dude or laugh at his expense.
This, even for the moments where he gives you legitimate reasons to really dislike him (And even then, always know that it is nearly always Morgana's fault), all is well by the time you're done with the game.
Yeah there's a decent chunk of dialogue which isn't subtitled. Basically bits that someone thought wasn't important. You don't miss much by not hearing it, but it bothered me enough that I didn't last very long with the Japanese language option.
I think it's basically because the Japanese voice option was an after thought. They probably thought not having that stuff subtitled is fine if you speak the native language of the voices.
CrimsonFist
Member
Mishima came up with Phan-site and related puns; Nothing about his character is redeemable.
He is responsible for the best scene in the game though. Even if it's actually because of Futaba.
I like that they made someone who's so pathetic that even the player kinda wants to crap on him lol, and they give you the opportunity to do so plenty of times
So, what if hypothetically I'm hard of hearing or deaf? I'm just fucked then? What a garbage way to implement subtitles.
Dangansona
Member
I need to start making the effort to actually walk around Tokyo more. I was relying too much on what is honestly one of the best implantations of fast travel. There's not a whole lot going on out in the streets but it's nice to look at. I even went to find the line to Akihabara lol.
Also since I'm talking about navigation I love the rail map.
Also since I'm talking about navigation I love the rail map.
Mediking
Member
Mishima is somebody who could easily fit in P4. Lol
He's cool... for the most part.
Well, as I said, you don't miss a great deal from the dialogue that isn't subtitled.
It's mainly just random dialogue which isn't the main focus, such as random tv voices, radio announcements, passing civ's etc.
But yes, I think it's a poor way to implement subs. Tokyo Mirage Sessions had similar problems, in that there was some dialogue which wasn't subtitled(mainly with regards to combat). Didn't even have the option to swap to English voices with that, either.
There's a lot of nice touches you can find if you walk around. A lot of the NPC's dialogue updates with each passing arc to reflect what's going on and little things like that. I also noticed around October there was Halloween decorations, and in December there is Christmas decorations.
CrimsonFist
Member
It's worth going around once or twice between major story events at least. There's some good NPC chatter and stories which develop throughout the game.
Breaking Normal
Member
Finally finished the game today and maxed out 12 confidants. Maybe one day I'll go back and max out the confidants but after 93+ hours in Persona 5 and 55+ hours in Horizon I need to move on to some smaller games for now to decompress.
I really enjoyed my time with Persona 5, and after beating it I understand why it took them so long to make it but man was it worth the wait.
I do have a few complaints with the game though that may keep it from making it one of my favourite games of all time.
1. I had to turn to Japanese dubs midway through the game because I couldn't stand Sojiro saying, "Hey you're back" every time I entered LeBlanc, or Morgana saying Hey! every time he told me to go to sleep (which obviously also got super annoying) and worst of all Ryuji constantly saying "For Real!" every two seconds. The Japanese voice acting is much better than the English voice acting in my opinion but the only problem is that the cut scenes in Japanese for whatever reason didn't have English subtitles unless I forgot to turn them on or something. This got super frustrating.
2. I hated that the characters constantly were reminding me that I needed to go a Palace. Anytime I wanted to hang out with them they would always say "Are you sure we should hang out, shouldn't we go to the Palace?". Also the constant reminders from Morgana about how many days I had left to steal the treasure and the constant reminders from my friends over text about heading to the Palace.
3. Lastly, the constant texts from my fellow Phantom Thieves really irritated me. And every time I would get the texts they seemed to just be saying the same things over and over again. Stuff like I hope we can change his heart or are you sure this is going to work. I would usually wait to infiltrate each palace until the last couple of days and over the 3 weeks+ that each mission lasted, my friends would say we need to change his heart as soon as possible multiple times. It really got annoying after the first couple of palaces.
I really enjoyed my time with Persona 5, and after beating it I understand why it took them so long to make it but man was it worth the wait.
I do have a few complaints with the game though that may keep it from making it one of my favourite games of all time.
1. I had to turn to Japanese dubs midway through the game because I couldn't stand Sojiro saying, "Hey you're back" every time I entered LeBlanc, or Morgana saying Hey! every time he told me to go to sleep (which obviously also got super annoying) and worst of all Ryuji constantly saying "For Real!" every two seconds. The Japanese voice acting is much better than the English voice acting in my opinion but the only problem is that the cut scenes in Japanese for whatever reason didn't have English subtitles unless I forgot to turn them on or something. This got super frustrating.
2. I hated that the characters constantly were reminding me that I needed to go a Palace. Anytime I wanted to hang out with them they would always say "Are you sure we should hang out, shouldn't we go to the Palace?". Also the constant reminders from Morgana about how many days I had left to steal the treasure and the constant reminders from my friends over text about heading to the Palace.
3. Lastly, the constant texts from my fellow Phantom Thieves really irritated me. And every time I would get the texts they seemed to just be saying the same things over and over again. Stuff like I hope we can change his heart or are you sure this is going to work. I would usually wait to infiltrate each palace until the last couple of days and over the 3 weeks+ that each mission lasted, my friends would say we need to change his heart as soon as possible multiple times. It really got annoying after the first couple of palaces.
I dunno how it compares to the PS4 one but it runs as well as any other good PS3 game. Stable, no big frame drops, cutscenes look great, etc. The loading feels a second or two longer than intended at times though, but that's pretty normal for PS3 games!
Link1110
Member
I haven't done Japanese voice yet, saving it for ngp but Morgana had Pikachu's VA, so I'm expecting that one too be pretty good at least.
Id be pleasantly surprised if she voiced the pi pi pi from the cell phone too but not holding my breath, goes I'll just keep pretending Pikachu is mc's ringtone and it's censored for copyright reasons
Id be pleasantly surprised if she voiced the pi pi pi from the cell phone too but not holding my breath, goes I'll just keep pretending Pikachu is mc's ringtone and it's censored for copyright reasons
What sucks about Mishima is that the way he's introduced into the story makes you think he'll at least be a sort of complex character, but then you start his SL and find out he's the biggest tool since that asshole in P3 trying to date his teacher, probably.
He has a couple of moments, but he's mostly an extremely basic loser with a hilariously silly conflict, what a waste of an SL.
Yes!
Joker, Makoto and Ann's have the instrumental version of Beneath the Mask. Not sure if any others do too.
He has a couple of moments, but he's mostly an extremely basic loser with a hilariously silly conflict, what a waste of an SL.
Yes!
Joker, Makoto and Ann's have the instrumental version of Beneath the Mask. Not sure if any others do too.
slightconfuse
Banned
What are good way to devolp stats. I feel like I am not doing enough to increase them
I know the bath house in Monday but is there anything else?
I know the bath house in Monday but is there anything else?