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Peter Moore says 360 could see Blu-Ray addon
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Bluray = 36Mbps... Bluray films needs 1.5x Bluray, so 54MbpsThe Faceless Master said:
HD-DVD is 36Mbps (for films too)
USB2 (even if you're very far from the theorical 480Mbps in practice) is sufficient by quite a margin for reading data.
But it would be too short for decoded video from XBox 360 to the addon if they decide to put an HDMI output in the addon.
ChibiKuririn
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What with the HD-DVD and (potentially) Blu-Ray addons being announced, all Microsoft needs to do to stay future-proof is announce remote and boomerang addons...
Matlock said:
i dont think sony takes its Playstation unit with the rest of the company .. in other words if it is something as broad as an optical drive product i doubt they would say no to as big of a company as MS , also sony is not the only one on board with the blu-ray so MS may not even go to them
dunno though
monkeymagic
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Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, HVD, whatever add-ons make no difference to X360 now.
They missed the boat and X360 will forever be considered a DVD playback device.
No one who is serious about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will consider purchasing an X360 AND an external drive for this purpose.
MS don't expect to sell many of these external devices - this is all pre damage control before the PS3 launches so that they can get in with 'me too' mentions in the media.
They missed the boat and X360 will forever be considered a DVD playback device.
No one who is serious about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will consider purchasing an X360 AND an external drive for this purpose.
MS don't expect to sell many of these external devices - this is all pre damage control before the PS3 launches so that they can get in with 'me too' mentions in the media.
krypt0nian
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monkeymagic said:
I totally agree with you, monkeymagic. Its rare so let's celebrate it!
monkeymagic said:
no one who is serious about movies and quality would use the ps3 for their main player either
all the early adopters are usually the ones who are techies and video philes aho will be buying the quality stuff not playing thru a console so the console add-ons will be for people who are like oh well thats a nice addon if i want it
BlueTsunami
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crunker99 said:
The PS3 is already being speculated as a GOOD BD player because both RSX and Cell will be working at Decoding the video. Cell itself is supposed to be tailored toward these things. So how does the PS3 not look like a good BD player? Or are you assuming its the same scenario like the PS2?
I posted this before, I guess i'll post it again
Fully Software-Decoded BD Player Driven by Cell Processor
High Quality Image Processing driven by RSX Graphics Processor
1080/60p 12bit Color HDMI Output
32bit Floating Point Video Processing
32bit Floating Point Audio Processing
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
crunker99 said:
I sort of thought that too....untill I read Shogmaster's comments in this thread...http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=79937&page=1 post #44.
i was under the impression that the signal transmitted from a ps3 re: blu-ray movies would be digital. doesn't this mean that as long as the software decoding isn't gimped in some deliberate way, the signal will be == to the digital signal output from a dedicated/standalone player?
DenogginizerOS
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crunker99 said:
If the PS3 is a cheap Blu-Ray player, I can't wait to hear the stories of how a GAFfer lost out to a guy in Best Buy who boldly told him as he was picking up the last PS3 on the shelf that he could care less about games; he is going to use the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player. THE AGONY!!
Pretty stupid for him to say this now. I thought the whole point of him announcing the HD-DVD add-on was to give HD-DVD leverage, no? Now that's totally shot and the add-ons are viewed from the perspective of helping xbox360 look "next-gen" against Sony.
DenogginizerOS
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BorkBork said:
The PS3 I buy will look no more next-gen on my non-HDTV than the XBOX 360 I own. Many, many other gamers out there right now cannot afford an HDTV in the coming year or two and will likely buy the PS3 for gaming before they buy an HDTV. In these cases, which will be significant until the HDTV replaces standard TV in the majority of homes, the presence of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray is irrelevant.
monkeymagic
Banned
crunker99 said:
Let's look at the lifespan of the PS3 and not it's launch price of $299-$399.
When it hits $200, mass consumers are not going to buy an X360 and Blu-Ray add-on (even if they come in at $200 for both) over it or if they don't want a gaming device over a $200 Blu-Ray player.
The same can be said of HD-DVD players when they reach that price - the HD-DVD add-on will only appeal to X360 owners.
And even then a small percentage of them - if X360 reaches XBox levels of saturation MS can expect to sell 1-2M of these add-ons at most which will hardly be a dent in global HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player sales.
monkeymagic
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Koren said:
Blu-Ray movies may not (I haven't checked the latest specs and we don't know of any future spec changes) but PS3 games can and it's normal practice to list the highest capable specs of any given hardware.
Koren said:
They were using two HDMI connections, so if your TV had two HDMI-in, it could do it. PS3 may also use the new HDMI spec if it's out on time, which I think might allow for it on one cable.
I think they were just showing off
The standard doesn't support 1080p/60, but if it ever does in the future, at least you know PS3 could support it with a software update.Koren said:
They did, but no pricing yet. They suggested it was a high-end model though, IIRC.
BlueTsunami said:The PS3 is already being speculated as a GOOD BD player because both RSX and Cell will be working at Decoding the video. Cell itself is supposed to be tailored toward these things. So how does the PS3 not look like a good BD player? Or are you assuming its the same scenario like the PS2?
I posted this before, I guess i'll post it again
Fully Software-Decoded BD Player Driven by Cell Processor
High Quality Image Processing driven by RSX Graphics Processor
1080/60p 12bit Color HDMI Output
32bit Floating Point Video Processing
32bit Floating Point Audio Processing
if the ps3 turns out to be the best BR player then indeed i will stand corrected but i still cant see videophiles who arent gamers using a ps3 for their main players.. i really just cant
BlueTsunami
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Koren said:
I'm not to sure but i'm guessing that the if the movies are only coming out @ 1080/24p or 1080/60i then the Cell may deinterlace the video or something (since it doing pureley software decoding)
I haven't seen any Sony BR standalone players yet (well, the PS3 could be their player and they've decided to not go with a standalone player).
crunker99 said:
Thats more or less an issue with some videophiles being to snooty to use a game console as a BD player. Point is, the PS3 has the internal hardware to do things a standalone BD player possibly can't (especially with Cell and RSX).
It doesn't mean that the PS3 will somehow be a downgrade to dedicated players
monkeymagic
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crunker99 said:
I'm a videophile and will be using PS3 for my main player until we hit 2nd or 3rd generation high end players at which point it will be relegated to my secondary player.
DenogginizerOS said:
You missed my point. People have pointed out that the move towards a HD-DVD add-on for the 360 is more a move to PUSH the HD-DVD format, which is supported by Microsoft, and not the other way around. But when Moore concedes this early on that there is a possibility of a Blu-ray add-on, it pisses all over on official Microsoft's support of HD-DVD, rendering the main reason for making the add-on for the 360 (pushing HD-DVD as the premier format) irrelevant already. The point is, that he should have kept his mouth SHUT.
crunker99 said:
I believe that comparative features. quality and interface will determine it's acceptance into the videophile world. What if it's an excellent Blu-Ray player (compared to others on the market) and has a full featured remote and easy interface?
I know of at least 6 coworkers who are getting the PS3 as a combo Blue Ray player/video game unit. BRD for them, and video games for the kids. None are getting a 360 for those kids since the price is comparable.
Mean anything? Probably not. But many people are looking at the PS3 as a cheap BRD player primarily - myself included.
Mean anything? Probably not. But many people are looking at the PS3 as a cheap BRD player primarily - myself included.
monkeymagic
Banned
BorkBork said:
I think it shows that the HD-DVD add-on for X360 was intended more as a device to bring X360 into the' HD era' than a show of support for the HD-DVD camp.
Reilly said:
Sega and Atari during the Saturn and Jaguar years. Atari sued everyone over some software patents and Sega settled out of court. Resulted in some royalty payments and some stock swap and an agreement that was supposed to result in some of Sega's titles being published on the Jaguar, although nothing came of that.
Kleegamefan
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crunker99 said:
Somebody hasn't visited avsforums lately....
There are TONS (and I mean tons) of videophiles who post on that forum that have stated PS3 will be their first ever videogame console, for no other reason than Blu-ray inclusion....they have been saying this for months now...
And besides, the dedicated hardware decoders in non-PS3 BD players are less powerful and less flexible than CELL, which will be performing BD decoding duties...
With PS3, CELL will be handling decoding duties via software and RSX will be handling image processing duties.....I would be surprised if *any* BD player introduced in 2006 will include hardware that can rival CELL+RSX at Blu-ray playback duties....
Not to mention PS3 will have 12-bit per component color HDMI output...it will be a couple of years before we will even have TVs on the market that can take advantage of this....
IMO SCEI is trying to future proof PS3 as much as they can.....it will probably be one of the best, if not the best 2006 Blu-ray players as far as IQ is concerned, videogame console or not....
Phoenix
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Interesting, so they will just crank out an add-on for whatever format looks like its winning. That's smart, I guess, in that they won't cripple the 360 with a do or die format - but its also somewhat revealing in that they have a pretty good feeling that they may need to go with the flow because HD-DVD isn't the stronger format.
Phoenix
Member
Kleegamefan said:
To be fair Klee, there were also a lot of people who made the PS2 their first DVD player as well due to it being the same price as a dedicated DVD player. However, the stand alone units were in many cases of better quality and as time went on the PS2s DVD playing capability paled in comparison to even $50 DVD players. While I'm sure the PS3 will sell to non gamers who want to get a BRD player, in the end I'm sure many of those folks will buy a better BRD player down the line that will serve as their primary player.
monkeymagic
Banned
Phoenix said:
The PS2 was always a weak DVD player in a market where DVD had existed for several years and high end and medium end players were already well priced and offered excellent features/decoding.
The PS3 is a different kettle of fish in that it is debuting at the same time as other Blu-Ray players which are only marked up at premium prices not so much because of their high end decoding but primarily because they will be the first players on the market and are an oportunity to profit from early adopters.
DenogginizerOS
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monkeyrun said:
The PS3 is the PS2 add-on that will finally deliver the promises of the emotion engine.
DenogginizerOS said:
It is going to happen, too.
People want a PS3 should really preorder ahead. Get in the top 5 of a list. A/V enthusiasts are going to be all over this system. Playstation 3 isn't just for gamers. I can't believe the buzz this system is getting on non gaming forums.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Roders5 said:
As opposed to the PSP, PS2 and PSOne, which sold for a profit at launch??
Kleegamefan said:
But my point was they will be buying the system without games, nobody bought the PSone for anything other than games where profit is gained. And I think the PSP is a bad example, in Japan HW sales are fine which might look good for media reports, but SW sales are not, therefore people are buying it for other things, which can't be good business for Sony. (And was just using Japan as an example, don't start throwing US sales at me).
monkeymagic
Banned
Roders5 said:
Blu-Ray movie revenue - who do you think that goes to?
It's actually beneficial in that it is another source of income for the platform apart from games and accessories.
Just like UMD movies on PSP.
DenogginizerOS
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Do you remember Ken saying, "It will become a machine that transcends the differences of nation, race, and sex."?
Look at the promises of PS2. Some were delivered. Some weren't. Lesson: Take everything you hear from these companies about next-gen with a grain of salt.
Look at the promises of PS2. Some were delivered. Some weren't. Lesson: Take everything you hear from these companies about next-gen with a grain of salt.
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monkeymagic
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DenogginizerOS said:
Are you claiming Peter Moore is as mad as KK?
MrSardonic
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Moore....wtf
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monkeymagic said:
Did you read the article? These two are made for each other.
"Here's the world Kutaragi envisions: from your mobile phone, you send an e-mail telling the machine to turn up the air-conditioning at home. "Welcome home," it purrs when you open the front door; it then puts your video e-mail on the TV monitor. You command the PS2 to download the movie you want and play it 30 minutes later. Mid-film, you stop to cue up a video game featuring the movie's main characters. Then you e-mail a virtual friend you met online who also likes this game; you face off against each other."