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Peter Moore says 360 could see Blu-Ray addon
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DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Phoenix said:
The same way someone above me alluded you will plug a PS3 into an X360. :lol
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i assume this is an old vision??
huh? all X360 owners now have the change to get HD movies for less than the cost of a dedicated player.... what a disaster that is!!!
those that don't want it, don't buy it.
those who don't want an X360 or HD-DVD don't buy one...
whats the big fucking deal!?
want an X360 for games, don't give a shit about HD-DVD? cool, buy the machine.
Change your mind later, cool, buy the add on.
the only people who will suffer in this equation, potentially, are MICROSOFT in covering the cost of variable demand for an add on... and as we know, who gives a shit about MS' bottom line?!
monkeymagic
Banned
DJ Sl4m said:
No, they make money on all BR movies.
In fact, any kind of BRD media you purchase (movie, music, game, data, blank) they make money on.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
we need a proper break down of what all the br members get in terms of royalties etc...
if Sony get ALL the royalties, the green light to undercut everyones player, and the right to decide who can/can't use the technology - then the other BR members basically just paid Sony to SPANK them in the coming few years...
which, again, seems unlikely.
Also, if it is true... what would the other companies think? Would they be like "Damn, we didn't see that coming?" or would there be a huge Sony backlash? (i know this is hypothetical, because i'm sure there must be a share of royalty amongst all the BR group members or something like that.... if not... EEK!)
if Sony get ALL the royalties, the green light to undercut everyones player, and the right to decide who can/can't use the technology - then the other BR members basically just paid Sony to SPANK them in the coming few years...
which, again, seems unlikely.
Also, if it is true... what would the other companies think? Would they be like "Damn, we didn't see that coming?" or would there be a huge Sony backlash? (i know this is hypothetical, because i'm sure there must be a share of royalty amongst all the BR group members or something like that.... if not... EEK!)
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
Of course the revenue is shared but the fact remains that Sony make money on every single BRD media sold and not just PS3 games.
When you're selling hundreds of millions of discs as they and Philips did with CD over 20 years and potentially with BRD that amounts to a lot of cash especially if you are one of the majority IP holders of which Sony is.
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
Because MS should be focusing on providing gaming related content and hardware which will appeal to the majority of its users rather than attempting to spoil Sony's BR party with a half hearted add-on that will appeal to a small minority of them and has nothing to do with gaming.
How about a proper FF wheel for Forza 2, PGR3 and RSC 3?
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
it's already done that with the X360.
People who want the X360 will buy it for Halo, FPS etc... not for it's ability to play movies, and those who happen to have an X360 AND want movies too, they can via an add on...
Spoiling Sony's BR party? PLEASE!!!! HD-DVD will live or die by support, people are clutching at straws to make this add on something that it's not. If people prefer the HD-DVD + X360 pack over thePS3, then fucking good luck to them (and vice versa). Again, what would/wouldn't make this add on a disaster is the PRICE and we don't know what that is yet.
why would MS want to do that? it would sell to even LESS people than the HD-DVD drive!
required for games (x3) - HD-DVD - just a movie add on.... they aren't the same. Not that i'm saying it's going to be a massive success, i just think that the fact that an HD-DVD OPTION is being derided as some collossal disaster is just WAAAAAAAAAAAY off mark.
It'll either be moderately popular or an irrelevance - either way, it's hardly the end of the world or the beginning of world domination.
For people who want next gen soon, and HD movies, then the X360 + add on might be ready to go way before the PS3 is ready for US launch. Perhaps some people will break and say "well, i can't wait any longer..." ?
(i do agree that if the HD-DVD drive becomes a requirement for games then they do want shot - unless of course the drive ends up being packaged with a AAA+ game (HALO 3) and is reasonably priced (which is unlikely unless MS decides to mop up the loss))
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
So you think the HD-DVD add-on would exist if PS3 didn't have a BRD player built in?
If that were the case why didn't MS release an SACD, MP3 etc. add-on for XBox?
The impetus for this add-on is clearly the impending PS3 release - not some altruistic streak in MS.
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
The 32X and 64DD were collossal disasters when they were actually unique and added extra gameplay functionality.
The HD-DVD add-on is neither unique (going up against standalone HD-DVD and BRD players) nor does it offer any extra gameplay functionality.
For those reasons I expect it to actually fare worse than both the 32X and 64DD.
pxleyes said:
Jesus H. Christ...I don't know why I bother, I swear I don't. The HD-DVD is NOT an add-on, it is an accessory. There is a very large and very significant difference between the crap you listed and this drive...the one sold by MS, will NOT play games. End of fuckin' story. the continued belief (or should I say hope) that MS will decide to release games on that medium is nothing but a Sonybots wet dream.
So after I post this, you will be inundated with stupid posts quoting Peter Moore or other person showing how it might still happen...just keep telling yourself that those people are full of shit and are simply looking to win an arguement. Goodbye stupid thread...I hardly knew you.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
of course it is, but i hardly see how this suddenly makes it a bad thing!
Hd-DVD may well be the victor in the format war, no one really knows yet. You could just as much argue that this is retaliation for Sony BR trying to ruin the HD-DVD party!
Again - why does any of that MATTER?!
I'll put my hand up and say i'll be getting the drive... and a PS3.
That's the only customer in the world i care about happy.
look i'll go through it one last time...
1) Person wants or owns an X360
2) No interest in the PS3, or it's too far away, or price is too high
3) X360 HD-DVD add on retails at less than regular players
4) Person either already owns an X360, or wants an X360
5) person opts to buy the drive - or the X360 together with a drive
ALTERNATIVELY...
they don't care and don't buy it.
.... they don't miss out on any games, the userbase isn't splintered etc...
now, this brings us round to the "VALUE" thing - where the PS3 is perceived as better value because it's an all in one unit at a better price. Again, this is all assumptions that the PS3 will be cheaper than the HD-DVD + X360, that the BR will take off , that MS won't drop prices to match the PS3 or undercut it etc etc.... *shrug*
Interestingly, with the HD-DVD + X360 offering a potential cheap "in" to HD movies, and the PS3 possibly not hitting for another 6-10 months in the US - will people jump on BR if there isn't a cheap player to pick up? What if people really are waiting for the PS3 for BR adoption - what then if the HD-DVD sales are much more impressive than BR? Will the media companies just turf it out .... or will they start publishing on HD-DVD?
As it stands, MS will have to find a way to output HDMI or HDCP over DVI. Neither HD-DVD nor Bluray will output full HD over component. Prevailing wisdom says anything over component will be bumped down to 480p, but I've also read that 960x540p will be possible.
Additionally, I'm betting that the HD-DVD drive that MS includes will only output 1080i- not 1080p.
Additionally, I'm betting that the HD-DVD drive that MS includes will only output 1080i- not 1080p.
MS realizes they made a pretty big fuck-up by not having a next-gen media format in their system. It probably would have been better for them to laucnch this year. No shortages, developers have more time to work on games and complete hardware!
I'm willing to bet none of these 360 movie playback add-ons will ever see the light of day. That or they will be received about as well as DC DVD player add-on and the GC with the integrated DVD player.
What 360 owner is actually going to shell out ~$300 for movie playback add-on? They're probably going to say fuck it and just buy a PS3.
I'm willing to bet none of these 360 movie playback add-ons will ever see the light of day. That or they will be received about as well as DC DVD player add-on and the GC with the integrated DVD player.
What 360 owner is actually going to shell out ~$300 for movie playback add-on? They're probably going to say fuck it and just buy a PS3.
monkeymagic
Banned
Insertia said:
We're supposed to believe that it will be $150 and that MS will take a $100 hit on hardware that brings them no revenue at all.
Red Blaster
Member
Is this drive gonna be much cheaper than a standalone or something? Otherwise, it's pretty damn pointless.
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
Sony will sell 50-100M of these BRD drives in PS3 and can offset early losses with later profits with such a huge number of units.
How many of these HD-DVD drives will MS sell?
Sony are majority IP owners in BRD hence pay no license fees or get discounts fees.
MS get no such breaks per HD-DVD drive sold.
HD-DVD drives power usage requires an external power supply and of course a chassis.
BRD drive in PS3 obviously doesn't since it is housed in PS3.
The list of differences goes on...
Do you need everything spelt out to you
Xenon
Member
Maybe the reason for the low number of systems available at launch was a stall tactic by MS. They are putting in HD-DVD drives in all the new systems and making arrangements to have local retailer's tech service replace all the current 360 DVD drive with a HD-DVD drive. They had already committed to the launch. So there was no way they could delay. By selling a minimum number of systems at lauch they were able to keep down the cost of the recall and not screw over the retailers and customers. I'll be expecting MS to contact me any day now.
What? =\ It makes moore sense than what they are planning now =P
What? =\ It makes moore sense than what they are planning now =P
SolidSnakex
Member
DCharlie said:
Using the logic people use to show the PS3 will be 500+, why wouldn't it be? The cheapest HDDVD player is 500. Surely they can't go any lower than that, right?
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
I think it will cost $250 - about half the price of launch HD-DVD units and even that is being optimistic.
And the reasons why PS3's BRD player doesn't cost that much are explained in my previous post.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i hope you aren't implying that i think the PS3 will be $500+ because i don't think my post history would agree.
The point i'm making is that neither *DRIVE* will cost anywhere near $300. And to suggest that one in a casing with a power supply WILL is just madness.
IF it does retail for $300, then MS should be taken out back and have a marrow stuffed up their anus. sideways.
monkeymagic
Banned
DCharlie said:
You're attemping to somehow equate the cost of the X360 HD-DVD add-on to the cost of the BRD drive in PS3 whilst conveniently forgetting several large differentiating factors.
The estimated costs of the current PS3 BRD drive to Sony is $100-$150
Why don't you tell us how MS can get the same pricing on an external HD-DVD drive
SolidSnakex
Member
DCharlie said:
No i'm just saying that people seem to look at BR player prices and think with it being 1k, there's no way that can be put into anything else and be that much cheaper. So i'm applying that to this.
Atari is getting a lot of royalties (not that it help them...) Immersion is getting royalties from a few console makers for their vibration functions.. after MS paid their fine to Immersion they bought stake in the company. So any company paying Immersion patent royalties is in a way paying MS.. Sony wouldn't be caught dead doing this.Reilly said:
choplifter
Banned
Geezzz.
at least RDI included a then-nextgen optical disc format as standard in its Halcyon game console
:lol
at least RDI included a then-nextgen optical disc format as standard in its Halcyon game console
:lol
PS3 has the potential and the hardware to be the best bluray video player. But a lot depends on how good its software is. Sure, that can probably be upgradeded over the internet, but thats still the limiting factor.
The 'limited' hardware chips have been designed from the ground up to decode the necessary AV streams from bluray. I'm sure they have been tested more than the PS3 software, and have more attention lavished on them.
So while its possible (perhaps even likely), its by no means certain that PS3 will be the best player.
And plenty of AV enthusiasts will want standalone players because they aren't 'multifunction' and therefore there will be a belief that they are better. Pioneer are releasing an 'elite' player - some people will buy that simply because its an elite model.
As for Sony undercutting everyone - well someone has to compete with Toshiba's throat-cutting prices. Also, Sony don't want everyone to buy a PS3 as a bluray player. Sure, they want it to help cement it as the format of choice, but they probably want early adopters to buy bluray discs, not have AV guys buy bluray players.
Perhaps they'll only allow you to buy a PS3 if you don't read avsforum
The 'limited' hardware chips have been designed from the ground up to decode the necessary AV streams from bluray. I'm sure they have been tested more than the PS3 software, and have more attention lavished on them.
So while its possible (perhaps even likely), its by no means certain that PS3 will be the best player.
And plenty of AV enthusiasts will want standalone players because they aren't 'multifunction' and therefore there will be a belief that they are better. Pioneer are releasing an 'elite' player - some people will buy that simply because its an elite model.
As for Sony undercutting everyone - well someone has to compete with Toshiba's throat-cutting prices. Also, Sony don't want everyone to buy a PS3 as a bluray player. Sure, they want it to help cement it as the format of choice, but they probably want early adopters to buy bluray discs, not have AV guys buy bluray players.
Perhaps they'll only allow you to buy a PS3 if you don't read avsforum
