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PGR 3 Video

robertsan21 said:
video

OLD?

this is awsome stuff
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golem said:
old+cg :(
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AFAIK all the scenes showing the city are using the game engine. The cgs are for the tunnel and other stuff at the beginning.

Realtime screenshot (Bizarre said it's realtime on their website) :
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Screen from the trailer :
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There's also motion blur applied, which means it's been post processed (like everything sony has shown also, yes even heavenly sword had motion blur). But 60fps can somewhat compensate for lack of motion blur in the final picture.
 
thorns said:
There's also motion blur applied, which means it's been post processed (like everything sony has shown also, yes even heavenly sword had motion blur). But 60fps can somewhat compensate for lack of motion blur in the final picture.
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Look again, there is motion blur on the trees in the big picture too. I would not be surprised at all if the final game had a very convincing motion blur effect (more "real looking" that Burnout's at least)
 
I don't know why the've gone to such great lengths to make it an obvious render... I mean... The movements on the cars is just supercrap. And Allard saying that it was "part realtime and part CG"... Hoho. I mean, it's not going to be easier to buy that the backgrounds are in-game when the cars are so obviously rendered.
 
pfffttt junior member!
i bet you will link us to that eurogamer website now????

i believe its a mock-up made with the game engine. those car movements look very unnatural, but the city is very low detail, quite dark and unpopulated.
 
thorns said:
There's also motion blur applied, which means it's been post processed (like everything sony has shown also, yes even heavenly sword had motion blur). But 60fps can somewhat compensate for lack of motion blur in the final picture.
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Why PGR3 could not have motion blur?

Trackmania Sunrise on my crappy PC.

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In motion it's amazing. :)
 
dorio said:
What part is realtime and what part is prerendered because all of it looked incredible.
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Well. The whole thing is definitely rendered, but what we're discussing is if it's rendered with in-game assets, such as the background geometry and whatnot. It's obviously hand-animated though, the car movements are a dead giveaway.
 
Hyoushi said:
Well. The whole thing is definitely rendered, but what we're discussing is if it's rendered with in-game assets, such as the background geometry and whatnot. It's obviously hand-animated though, the car movements are a dead giveaway.
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If the whole thing is prerendered then why does Allard say differently.
PGR3=Microsofts Killzone 2

;)
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No Killzone 2 = Microsofts Robot Demo 1
 
dorio said:
If the whole thing is prerendered then why does Allard say differently.
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Shane: Yes, it's a huge difference. Things that you saw, and I'll use another first-party title as an example, Project Gotham Racing 3, I think that gives you an indication of a visual bar that we're aspiring to. I mean, we wouldn't have shown that if we didn't believe that was absolutely reachable.
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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/619/619046p2.html?fromint=1

sonycowboy brought it up in another thread but people kind of shrugged it off by saying you didn't have conflicting reports on it being rendered...Apparently you do if Allard is saying otherwise.
 
KyotoMecca said:
Old. And not 60fps like in kikizo's versions. I am pretty convinced this particular sequence is realtime.
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well, itd be the first and only 60fps UE3 game running on xbox360 hardware

i find that a little hard to believe. mind you it will probably end up looking like this, but i doubt that this is a direct capture from an xbox360 game running on actual hardware.
 
sp0rsk said:
well, itd be the first and only 60fps UE3 game running on xbox360 hardware

i find that a little hard to believe. mind you it will probably end up looking like this, but i doubt that this is a direct capture from an xbox360 game running on actual hardware.
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Are you sure that PGR3 use UE3 ?
 
The game has those blur effects, and Perfect Dark Zero has some well. IN PGR3 on cars, enviroments etc. like the ones from the trailer.

EDIT: it's not unreal 3 engine...
 
dorio said:
That quote still doesn't confirmed that it was all prerendered.
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Project Gotham Racing 3, I think that gives you an indication of a visual bar that we're aspiring to.
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That seems to be a pretty good indication that it is, don't you think? If any of it was real time wouldn't he have pointed it out instead of just saying that the video was the visual bar they were aiming for with the game?
 
"That seems to be a pretty good indication that it is, don't you think? If any of it was real time wouldn't he have pointed it out instead of just saying that the video was the visual bar they were aiming for with the game?"

Solid: I'm pretty sure that guy doesn't work at BC.
 
Its not fair that I can't tell if its CG or realtime, so I can't for them to confirm whats realtime. If its realtime, then damn racing never looked so good.
 
SolidSnakex said:
That seems to be a pretty good indication that it is, don't you think? If any of it was real time wouldn't he have pointed it out instead of just saying that the video was the visual bar they were aiming for with the game?
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Visual bars can also mean a combination of real-time and prerendered similar to Heavanly Sword. He doesn't say that it was all rendered. I really don't see any real-time elements in the video though because no game on the 360 outside of Kameo and GR3 has had a frame rate that steady.
 
100% in game assets... but yeah, probably pre-rendered for a smooth framerate.
 
Doom_Bringer said:
IGN has a realtime video of PGR3, it looks NOTHING like that CG video.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/741/741362/vids_1.html

The last one...
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Looks pretty close to me, the lighting is different, so it's tough to make a direct comparison. I dont think that the last video is really totally real time, though, as I don't think they would finalize the graphics and optimize for a perfect framerate on the alpha kits. So I'd say, for better or worse, it's probably subject to change considerably.
 
morbidaza said:
It uses their own engine. I beleive Gears of War and Frame City Killers are the only games that have been shown that use UE3.
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Frame City Killers don't use UE3. It uses an older Unreal Engine (probably the free 2.1 version that comes with all current XBox dev kits :lol ).
 
Shogmaster said:
Frame City Killers don't use UE3. It uses an older Unreal Engine (probably the free 2.1 version that comes with all current XBox dev kits :lol ).
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http://www.epicgames.com/press_namco.html

NAMCO HOMETEK INC. ANNOUNCES SUPPORT FOR XBOX 360™ WITH FRAME CITY KILLER™

Next-Generation Action Title to Set New Precedent in Immersive Gameplay, Audiovisual Fidelity

SANTA CLARA , Calif. , (May 13, 2005) – Leading video games publisher and developer Namco Hometek Inc. announced today Frame City Killer ™, a next-generation action game for the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system from Microsoft. Featuring astoundingly detailed graphics powered by the Unreal ® Engine 3 and immersive, non-linear gameplay, Frame City Killer is set to deliver a hard-boiled gaming experience this holiday season in North America and Europe.

Set in a futuristic metropolis in East Asia, Frame City Killer casts players as Crow, an assassin sent to Frame City to identify and eliminate Khan - a mysterious terrorist and head of a deadly new-age drug cartel. As a hit man, players track and profile targets, while utilizing numerous methods to execute the perfect hit. "Frame City Killer" offers players a dark and gritty storyline, thrilling car chases and a variety of ways for players to achieve their goals.

“Frame City Killer is an excellent showcase of what Namco has planned for next-generation consoles,” said Nobuhiro Kasahara, president and CEO of Namco Hometek, Inc. “The Xbox 360 provides an all around `entertainment experience with remarkable audiovisuals and groundbreaking gameplay immersion, allowing Namco to successfully deliver innovation and fun to consumers.”

Frame City Killer is the first game by a Japanese developer to use the Unreal Engine 3. This technology allows players to experience the most realistic visuals and physics in an interactive environment including bombs shattering windows and bullets destroying cars.

"Namco has developed some of the greatest franchises in the history of the video game industry and we are extremely excited that they have licensed Unreal Engine 3," said Tim Sweeney, Chairman and Founder of Epic Games Inc. "We know that gamers everywhere will be just as excited to see what they are building with our technology."

About Namco Hometek Inc.

Namco Hometek Inc. is the U.S. consumer division of Namco Limited, a Tokyo-based world leader in the high-tech entertainment industry. Based in Santa Clara, CA, Namco Hometek Inc. is an award-winning video games publisher for next generation game consoles. Namco has created some of the industry's greatest video game franchises: SOULCALIBUR®, Tekken®, Dead to Rights®, Pac-Man World™, Ridge Racer®, Time Crisis® and ACECOMBAT™. For more information about Namco and its products log onto www.namco.com.

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SOULCALIBUR®, TEKKEN®, PAC- MAN WORLD™, Ridge Racer®, Time Crisis® and ACECOMBAT™ are trademarks or registered trademarks of Namco Limited in the United States and/or other countries.
Dead to Rights™ is a trademark or registered trademark of Namco Hometek Inc. in the United States and/or other countries.

FRAME CITY KILLER™&©2005 NAMCO LTD., ALL RIGHTS RESERVED . Unreal is a registered trademark of Epic Games, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Contacts:

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- or -

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For inquiries on the European release:

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Unreal is a registered trademark of Epic Games, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective companies.
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Some more informations about the E3 trailer straight from Bizarre :
This video was created using actual in-game models and assets from PGR3, and not ones specifically made for the video. So the level of detail you see here will be not only matched, but surpassed in the game itself, as the models are getting more and more detailed as development goes on
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Well if its going to look better than that video, 360 will do very well indeed because it looks amazing as it is.
 
Blimblim said:
Some more informations about the E3 trailer straight from Bizarre :
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That quotes sounds like something that would have been made by Sony in regards to the Killzone demo... this was made using in game assets...etc.... that's not exactly the same as running in-game.
 
DarienA said:
That quotes sounds like something that would have been made by Sony in regards to the Killzone demo... this was made using in game assets...etc.... that's not exactly the same as running in-game.
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I highly doubt the Killzone video has in game ANYTHING. I mean seriously, ~1 million PPS charcter models with no hint of normal mapping or any other realtime rendering techniques for ingame models? No.

PGR3 video at least is using ingame geometry. They're cheating their asses off in the lighting and FXs, but at least the geometry is in game. :lol
 
The first poster video is indeed CG. I don't know for the backgrounds but the cars are obviously CG and also manually animated. Only when looking at the animation you can tell it.
 
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