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PS3 will be cheaper to start developing for than PS2 - Harrison
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Rob Fahey 15:37 19/05/2005

SCEE development boss defends real-time demos, boasts of ease of development

Speaking in an exclusive interview with GamesIndustry.biz, SCEE development chief Phil Harrison has said that the PS3 will be cheaper to develop for than the PS2 was initially, with the system's power being much easier to exploit than its predecessor's.

"PlayStation 3, I think, is going to be cheaper to develop for than the corresponding period of PS2 development," he said in the interview, which is published on the site today.

"I know that's a fairly contentious statement to make, but there's a very good reason for that," he continued, before going on to discuss the fruits of the company's collaborations with NVIDIA and IBM - which, he says, will make life easier for developers as well as providing hugely impressive power for the system.

Harrison admitted that the PS2 architecture was "challenging" for developers, although he was quick to point out that "it didn't stop us having thousands of games and 80 per cent market share."

Also in the same interview, Harrison discussed the demos shown of the PlayStation 3 earlier this week - reiterating that the technical demos on display were all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts ma have been rendered.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Sony plays the PR game very well.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Also in the same interview, Harrison discussed the demos shown of the PlayStation 3 earlier this week - reiterating that the technical demos on display were all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts ma have been rendered.

:lol Killzone was my favorite video from the show, but given that it showed interesting AI and was supposedly made by Guerilla....well that pretty much sealed the deal that it wasn't "real". Can't believe the retarded threads that followed that. Still pretty though.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Sony set the bar high, I hope they can match the demo showings just to shut up the haters.

 

[Redbeard]

What the hell? The guy from Guerilla said the video was a "representation" of how they want the game to look and feel, now he's saying it's real time?

 

[ziran]

whatever the ease of development it's the 3d graphics modelling time that's going to cause at least half the devs out there to go bye bye. you're talking a pixar movie + a game, size of budget!

nice spin though.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Phil said teh *tech demos* were real time, and that the game trailers were not necessarily.

I sure don't see him saying the KIllzone trailer was realtime.

What's the problem?

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Holy fuck, are they comparing the PS3 controller to that fridge? IT"S GOING TO HUGE!!!

 

[Redbeard]

Phil said teh *tech demos* were real time, and that the game trailers were not necessarily.

I sure don't see him saying the KIllzone trailer was realtime.

What's the problem?

Ah, ok. I misread it.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Holy fuck, are they comparing the PS3 controller to that fridge? IT"S GOING TO HUGE!!!

Is that really the controller?

 

[Nerevar]

"I know that's a fairly contentious statement to make, but there's a very good reason for that," he continued, before going on to discuss the fruits of the company's collaborations with NVIDIA and IBM - which, he says, will make life easier for developers as well as providing hugely impressive power for the system.

Wait, so using industry standards for development tools is easier than throwing developers to the wolves with exotic hardware? No shit!?

Also in the same interview, Harrison discussed the demos shown of the PlayStation 3 earlier this week - reiterating that the technical demos on display were all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts ma have been rendered.

:lol at some parts may have been rendered.
It seems like both sides have the PR machine in full gear. 1/3 power! Real-time footage (with some parts rendered)! 2 TFlops! Wallguy! Where's Nintendo in this fun game?

 

[Aika'svyse]

Also in the same interview, Harrison discussed the demos shown of the PlayStation 3 earlier this week - reiterating that the technical demos on display were all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts may have been rendered.

 

[Pedigree Chum]

Is that really the controller?

Yes

*cries*


Seriously, I pray to the gaming gods for a redesign.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Yes

*cries*


Seriously, I pray to the gaming gods for a redesign.

Terrible, WTF were they thinking? :lol I am gonna buy the trackball controller coming out this fall and use that with my PS3.

 

[Unison]

I hope this means game prices will be lower next-gen!

If games were going to be more expensive because costs would be higher, i want them to be lowered now that they will be lower.

Haha, who am I kidding? This is Spin! :lol

 

[refreshZ]

Also in the same interview, Harrison discussed the demos shown of the PlayStation 3 earlier this week - reiterating that the technical demos on display were all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts may have been rendered.

How is it damage control?! They've never, not for one moment claimed otherwise. This XBot insecurity thing is getting annoying. >_<

 

[GhaleonEB]

all entirely real-time and running on PS3 prototype hardware, although the game footage clips were pre-recorded and some parts ma have been rendered.

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

I have little but contempt for Harrison. This is the guy thaty hyped PS2 to insane levels, promising NURBS (remember these?) based graphics and some crap about fractal geometry ("Every tree generated randomly - every tree unique!").

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

:lol

Now the ctiticism is that the spin isn't good enough!

How about this one-- it's true? The demos are real? I mean, what's hard to believe about them? And what's hard to believe they look better then 360, given that the machine is debuted later?

Phil Harrison could claim he just took a piss in the men's room and 10 people would post here calling it spin.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

I have little but contempt for Harrison. This is the guy thaty hyped PS2 to insane levels, promising NURBS (remember these?) based graphics and some crap about fractal geometry ("Every tree generated randomly - every tree unique!").

When did he promise NURBS? I saw all his presentations about PS2 everything he showed is available today in the market; Eye toy, Dark Cloud, GT and everything else. I dunno where you are getting the tree thing from, it doesn’t even make any sense.

and those PS3 tech demo's were real time: the ducks, Getaway, eye toy, the leaves etc.

 

[Sirolf]

GA in rampage mode !! :lol
Read the entire interview and not some snippets from it..

I've been asked this question a lot. The way we put those videos together, everything was done to specification. Everything was done to PS3 spec. Virtually everything used in-game assets; some things were rendered.

I think very. I think depending on the game, different games took a different approach to their way of expressing what the games are like - but clearly, something like Motor Storm uses more cinematic, replay-like cameras than you would ever enjoy in-game. So that makes a big difference... But everything is done to spec.

Interview

 

[fortified_concept]

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

I have little but contempt for Harrison. This is the guy thaty hyped PS2 to insane levels, promising NURBS (remember these?) based graphics and some crap about fractal geometry ("Every tree generated randomly - every tree unique!").

And yet the same exact person speaks for PGR3 and Madden like they're definately real-time without even having the slightest doubt about it. He still praises GoF which runs at 15 frames tops as the game of the show but when it comes to PS3 games we get kind of responces from him. Isn't it funny?

 

[AB 101]

This is great!

The XBots are now basking in glory after the XB 360 PR nightmares of yesterday.

This gets better and better.

 

[Aika'svyse]

How is it damage control?! They've never, not for one moment claimed otherwise. This XBot insecurity thing is getting annoying. >_<

and some parts "may" have been rendered.

He knows damn well those parts were rendered :lol Sonys needs to take a note from Nintendos book, you can't fool us with crap, just don't show anything if it isn't in game. Can't blame Xbots for anything, the Sony hype train is biting chunks out of their

 

[sonycowboy]

GA in rampage mode !! :lol
Read the entire interview and not some snippets from it..





Interview

Excellent find.

This should put this issue to bed, but it won't because of people like:

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

I have little but contempt for Harrison. This is the guy thaty hyped PS2 to insane levels, promising NURBS (remember these?) based graphics and some crap about fractal geometry ("Every tree generated randomly - every tree unique!").

 

[fortified_concept]

This is great!

The XBots are now basking in glory after the XB 360 PR nightmares of yesterday.

This gets better and better.

Actually they're on full damage control mode from yesterday. They even made a topic, the "XBOX360 kicking ass again" to make themselves feel better although nothing had changed from yesterday. Let's hope their annoying behaviour will stop by the end of the show.

 

[teiresias]

Read the entire interview

Ghaleon can READ?????!!!!!!! OMG THURSDAYTON!!!!!!!!!

 

[refreshZ]

and some parts "may" have been rendered.

He knows damn well those parts were rendered

How do you know?

 

[psycho_snake]

I hope this means game prices will be lower next-gen!

If games were going to be more expensive because costs would be higher, i want them to be lowered now that they will be lower.

Haha, who am I kidding? This is Spin! :lol

Not only that, but why would they want to lower the cost when the majority of people who buy games don't know about this. It would be great if they did lower the costs, but thats unlikely.

 

[aceface]

According to Yoichi Wada, the FFVII tech demo at least was real time (found here http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140652):

If I may add one point, that is that yesterday we had introduced the demo at the Sony conference as well as for the MS conference, and the demo we provided at the end of both conferences is an example of the quality of the visual content that we would be able to provide. That was to underscore the fact that with the PS3, that is the type of quality that the users can expect. It's not a Final Fantasy per se, it was strictly a demonstration to show the quality of the graphics in real time. It's not in a position where we can have people in the audience hold the controller, but it was in real time. We felt everyone else would be taking the same approach, but it seemed like Square Enix was the only one that provided a real time demonstration.

Funny that he calls out the other developers. :lol Good though, since that FFVII demo was impressive.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Virtually everything used in-game assets; some things were rendered.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Aika'svyse]

How do you know?

Because I'm Miyamotos father what do you mean how do I know? I'm sure they let him in on this crap.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Because I'm Miyamotos father what do you mean how do I know? I'm sure they let him in on this crap.

Those demos really got you worried didn't they?

 

[Solid]

Phil Harrison - PS3 cheaper for devs than PS2

Great!

 

[quin]

All this E3 Hardware stuff has been stupid...

 

[human5892]

That's the best spin he can do? Those demos are officially smoke and mirrors, and I trust them not at all.

I have little but contempt for Harrison. This is the guy thaty hyped PS2 to insane levels, promising NURBS (remember these?) based graphics and some crap about fractal geometry ("Every tree generated randomly - every tree unique!").

Seriously.

I'm going to skip the LIE-FILLED PS3 and instead experience games that are "beyond real" on my "gateway to gaming zen", Xbox 360.

 

[Aika'svyse]

Those demos really got you worried didn't they?

The demos that took six months to make :lol I hope PS3 is all good cause I'll be saving my change from every 360 purchase to buy one.

 

[Nerevar]

Seriously.

I'm going to skip the LIE-FILLED PS3 and instead experience games that are "beyond real" on my "gateway to gaming zen", Xbox 360.

wall guy and velocity girl approve of your decision, human.

Welcome to our side.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Cheap for developers, easy to develop for and the only true HD console. Where do I pre order?

 

[SolidSnakex]

The demos that took six months to make :lol I hope PS3 is all good cause I'll be saving my change from every 360 purchase to buy one.

6 months to make and only 1 hour to send people into the greatest rounds of damage control seen in years.

 

[Spectral Glider]

GA in rampage mode !! :lol
Read the entire interview and not some snippets from it..





Interview

Thanks, pretty good interview.

 

[human5892]

wall guy and velocity girl approve of your decision, human.

Welcome to our side.

Sweet, thanks!

I'm already drawing up plans for a sweet sticker design to sell to velocity girl on Marketplace. She is hawt.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Actually they're on full damage control mode from yesterday. They even made a topic, the "XBOX360 kicking ass again" to make themselves feel better although nothing had changed from yesterday. Let's hope their annoying behaviour will stop by the end of the show.

Plenty changed yesterday. Tons of positive reports concerning 360 games from people that witnessed realtime demo's and playables. Some nice vids and news (Sega) also made their way. The console did a... 180 yesterday and things are looking really good again. Well worth a topic, you can call it Damage Control, I call it being fucking excited about a console and it's games.

I can't wait to play nextgen Madden, PGR3, and Kameo in a few months on Xbox360.

By the way, where's Sony's today? Seems like things have quieted tremendously on the "post-conference, behind-the-scenes-showings" front. They should have more to show don't you think? Considering speculation of a 360 launch in November, a "Spring" 2006 launch for PS3 is 4 months -if like PSP, they launch in March- after Microsoft's.

 

[Aika'svyse]

6 months to make and only 1 hour to send people into the greatest rounds of damage control seen in years.

Damage control isn't allowing you to admit to yourself that Sony has pwned its massive sheep fanbase once again.

 

[DarienA]

By the way, where's Sony's today? Seems like things have quieted tremendously on the "post-conference, behind-the-scenes-showings" front. They should have more to show don't you think? Considering speculation of a 360 launch in November, a "Spring" 2006 launch for PS3 is 4 months -if like PSP, they launch in March- after Microsoft's.

Where is Sony today? Uh I don't believe E3 has started yet today....

Damage control isn't allowing you to admit to yourself that Sony has pwned its massive sheep fanbase once again.

Yup cause that fanbase certainly wasn't happy with the PS2 or any of its crappy not good as the PS2 tech demos library....

 

[SolidSnakex]

Damage control isn't allowing you to admit to yourself that Sony has pwned its massive sheep fanbase once again.

Again? You're one of those people that still doesn't believe that PS2 games have topped those "untouchable" tech demos they showed during its unveiling?

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Where is Sony today? Uh I don't believe E3 has started yet today....

Meant to say yesterday and today. Sorry.

 

[dark10x]

Damage control isn't allowing you to admit to yourself that Sony has pwned its massive sheep fanbase once again.

Once again in what way? I don't understand this "once again" stuff...

 

[PhatSaqs]

Once again in what way? I don't understand this "once again" stuff...

I keed I keed :lol

 

[Aika'svyse]

Again? You're one of those people that still doesn't believe that PS2 games have topped those "untouchable" tech demos they showed during its unveiling?

Nah, most games on PS2 still look like Jaggy crap. Sonyphiles thought every game was going to look like those demos and in that they were failed miserably. Everybody was ready to use these new demos to put the nails in the 360 coffin, but it just aint gonna fly. 360 had been revealed to be a dream come true and Sony is still showing phony demos.

 

[refreshZ]

Damage control isn't allowing you to admit to yourself that Sony has pwned its massive sheep fanbase once again.

Wow, you're such a free thinking rebel.