Mister Wolf
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What the game should have been in the first place. Nobody likes Real Time with Pause.
Pillars of Eternity – Turn-Based Mode Beta Announcement Trailer
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What the game should have been in the first place. Nobody likes Real Time with Pause.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
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Mister Wolf
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Owlcat also doesn't do stupid shit like not having controller support on PC. Even when you have console versions of the game.
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Lucifers Beard
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I've been wanting to replay this, but RTWP puts me off as it's so chaotic, I'll look forward to giving this a go.
Werewolf Jones
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"Nobody likes turn based anymore."
GHG
Member
But I also like turn based. As long as the battle system is actually good and involving then I don't mind either.
mayham2199
Member
Never understood why they did that.
Mister Wolf
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Can't get out their own way. Owlcat knows how to win. A funny one i just came across is that Shadowrun Trilogy has native controller support on the Xbox PC version but not Steam.
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GHG
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It often happens when the console port is outsourced to a different studio.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Could swear it was gifted on the Epic Store.
Game's fine but imo a bit too text heavy, and not very interesting. It's a very polished game tho, and beautiful at times.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Still so weird to me that they're adding this all this time later. I can't say I'd really want to play POE without real time with pausing, but it's cool that they're giving it a shot.
I do really want to give it another playthrough - it's a personal favorite RPG for me, and I never actually got to play the expansion.
I do really want to give it another playthrough - it's a personal favorite RPG for me, and I never actually got to play the expansion.
pudel
Gold Member
Yeah, as long as I can pause...i am fine. Real time with pause I play usually nearly the same as turn based games, pausing every second...which usually feels than like turn based...just a bit more micromanaging this way. But than I am usually asking myself why not make it turn based than from the beginning. Its hard for me to see a good point of having rtwp over turn based.
I like it!
What's up with all the hate towards RTWP?
The_hunter
Gold Member
Pillars of eternity update?
Mister Wolf
Member
You are one little step away from saying rtwp is some bullshit. Search your feelings, you know its true.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
For me it's basically the faster pace.
amigastar
Member
I've said it already many times but this text heavy game made me read books again back in 2015 till now. i love the narrative.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Didn't Deadfire have turn base for a while now? I recall that news. Never got to try if the implementation was good? Changing a game fundamentally made for RTwP to turn based, I have no idea if they pulled it off with deadfire?
Always preferred turn based over RTwP. At higher difficulties it just becomes a pause spam anyway, or you let AI control the rest of the party. If you remove AI control then its just chaos.
Always preferred turn based over RTwP. At higher difficulties it just becomes a pause spam anyway, or you let AI control the rest of the party. If you remove AI control then its just chaos.
Mister Wolf
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In the video he admits they messed up with the turn based version of Deadfire.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Ah can't watch at work, to be seen later.
pudel
Gold Member
Yeah, you can speed up a fight and just let everyone "auto fight"....but most of the times I dont even want to do that. You are just not using all yr awesome skills/combos whatever and just hope for the best....never felt good this way.
El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Guilty_AI
Member
I like to sit and watch the characters dancing to the combat soundtrack while i ponder my next moves.
I like it!
What's up with all the hate towards RTWP?
RTWP feels like it was designed for people who just want to get the fight over with rather than soak in all the planning and skills in action.
Zacfoldor
Member
Yeah, IIRC the best Star Wars game ever made, KOTOR used real time with pause. Tis legend. In fact, I'm surprised it didn't become the default for rpgs after that. Mass Effect 2's systems certainly suck much worse than KOTOR for an RPG and 3 is just basically an action game.
I like it!
What's up with all the hate towards RTWP?
Looking across all battle systems, for turn based, real time with pause is perfectly valid and very enjoyable in the right setting!
That said, I'll sure af take any free upgrades for PoE, I assume/hope this is coming to console versions...../sigh
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El Hee-Ho
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I think it can really depend of how's the encounter design in the game.
I don't mind turn-based if each and every fight is unique and there aren't fights every two steps. But if my exploration gets interrupted at every turn by a turn-based combat then I know I'll end up being mad at the game. Meanwhile the transition between combat and exploration isn't as jarring if the combat is RTWP, plus it allows for faster clearing of weak mobs.
Guilty_AI
Member
True true, i suppose the best way to deal with it (besides having every encounter be unique) is to just add and auto mode or insta-kill mode for lower level enemies.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
Great news, now everyone has more time to ponder moves as they work towards getting the best single piece of equipment in RPGs (note: I may be biased):
calico
Member
TB was 'fine' in Deadfire, but it was a slog because the game wasn't designed for it.
As with the Owlcat games, I think it's straight-forward enough to have combat which works both as TB or rtwp, the problem is with the sequence of encounters. 'Now do this fight five times over' might be fine for rtwp, but it's bad for TB.
I think the only way to really overcome this satisfactorily is to have the player choose between TB & rtwp at the start and have a TB version of the campaign (in terms of combat encounters) and a rtwp version. This is a lot of actual work though.
It's also more important for balance to be tight in TB than in rtwp (because if you are OP in rtwp at least it's over fast), which can be a problem if you're trying to retroactively add TB.
As with the Owlcat games, I think it's straight-forward enough to have combat which works both as TB or rtwp, the problem is with the sequence of encounters. 'Now do this fight five times over' might be fine for rtwp, but it's bad for TB.
I think the only way to really overcome this satisfactorily is to have the player choose between TB & rtwp at the start and have a TB version of the campaign (in terms of combat encounters) and a rtwp version. This is a lot of actual work though.
It's also more important for balance to be tight in TB than in rtwp (because if you are OP in rtwp at least it's over fast), which can be a problem if you're trying to retroactively add TB.
dreamstation
Member
The expansion is fantastic. Well worth playing through!
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Turn base > real-time with pause
Setsuna Mudou
Member
perfect, happy i waited to play the game 
SomeNorseGuy
Gold Member
Been going through a bunch of oldies lately and every time they devs give me a auto-battle for the gazzilion random battles I sigh in relief. I agree with you, it's so much more interesting when turn-based games design combat encounters and rewards through challenging/strategic combats.
Some of the most rewarding things in RTWP rpgs is too build your team to be able to take on bosses ....and to wreck random/smaller encounters without having to micromanage. Just enjoy watching the battlefield get soaked in blood and gibles.
GHG
Member
POE2 is bigger than the first game, especially with the DLC.
diffusionx
Gold Member
RTWP is horrible, like it has all the bad parts of RT and TB with none of the good parts. I have no idea why it ever caught on.
I think I would give POE another try with this mode provided it's not shitty like POE2
I think I would give POE another try with this mode provided it's not shitty like POE2
Hero of Spielberg
Member
This is so awesome. I loved this game, but would love to be able to enjoy the battle animations better in turnbased mode. Definitely keen for another playthrough.
Mister Wolf
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Nikodemos
Member
RTwP works fine in squad-tac games. In fact, I'd say it's equal in terms of enjoyment. The lack of options (shoot gun/rocket launcher, throw grenade, use medkit) actually improves the flow.
TB is better when you have a lot of action choices.
LectureMaster
Or is it just one of Adam's balls in my throat?
DownLikeBCPowder
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Pretty cool, may consider checking it out.. but I like the game as it is. Wish they would work on Pillars III instead.