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[genjiZERO]

I think he was talking more about the HDD software, the XMB. From what he was saying it sounds like it was going to be for the HDD on the PS2 but they decided to move it. I tend to agree with that sentiment, not much on XMB that would have benefited on the PS2/HDD. That was a whole poorly thought out and implemented almost like an afterthought mess. Hopefully if they do go with a HDD for the PS3 (which i'm still doubting) it will be built in. And we pretty much already know XMB will be in the PS3.

I don't think Sony even needs to go with a HDD for PS3. It's already going to support a wide range of memory cards types that, with the continually increading capacity if said cards, that they could easily house the functions of an HDD. Plus if Sony did it right they'd allow for an external USB HDDs so that consumers can just get whatever they want without dealing with a PS3 specific HDD.

 

[kaching]

That was a whole poorly thought out and implemented almost like an afterthought mess.

That's probably the crux of it. Too little, too late. All I'm saying is that the majority of his answer, about how this kind of media interaction was somehow better suited for portable use, was fluff. Basically, it really had nothing to do with the PSP, he was just trying to put as nice a face on it as possible. Fortunately, I can't imagine PSP not at least defining the baseline for what we can expect from the PS3.

Cyberheater: baby steps. At least this wasn't another article wherein Kaz Hirai whipped out his tired "online is like air conditioning" analogy. He *is* starting to say things that are more concrete than in previous interviews.

 

[Razoric]

I don't think Sony even needs to go with a HDD for PS3. It's already going to support a wide range of memory cards types that, with the continually increading capacity if said cards, that they could easily house the functions of an HDD. Plus if Sony did it right they'd allow for an external USB HDDs so that consumers can just get whatever they want without dealing with a PS3 specific HDD.

They are almost gonna need an HDD though for download content. Unless there are some 3-4 gig mem cards comin out soon.

 

[Ponn]

They are almost gonna need an HDD though for download content. Unless there are some 3-4 gig mem cards comin out soon.

Are they going with downloadable content? Hmm..i'm not really expecting alot out of their online so I haven't kept up with that information as much. I just don't see them embracing as robust model of online as Xbox Live.

I don't think Sony even needs to go with a HDD for PS3. It's already going to support a wide range of memory cards types that, with the continually increading capacity if said cards, that they could easily house the functions of an HDD. Plus if Sony did it right they'd allow for an external USB HDDs so that consumers can just get whatever they want without dealing with a PS3 specific HDD.

IAWTP for the most part. I know they were talking up virtual HDD space alot and networking. For games I just don't think they are going to embrace the HDD. I feel they are going to go with more of a media streaming and networking approach with the way the PS3 is laid out with built in WiFi, PSP connectivity and such. I'm interested in seeing how they deal with media streaming from a computer if at all compared to the Xbox 360.

 

[Marathon]

I don't think Sony even needs to go with a HDD for PS3.

Needs?

Sony isn't stupid enough to go with a HDD for PS3. There will most certainly be some sort of TiVo like version of the PS3 later on with a harddrive. But never for game usage.

 

[Stinkles]

we're still on track for a sping 2006 launch.

That's encouraging.


But I hope those Blu Ray fucks blink on the component/HDMI issue. If they don't blink, the whole thing is screwed (Blu Ray HD movie playback).

 

[kaching]

If plans haven't changed since E3, there should be a bay for an HDD in the PS3 which will presumably fit standard laptop-size HDDs.

 

[teiresias]

That's encouraging.


But I hope those Blu Ray fucks blink on the component/HDMI issue. If they don't blink, the whole thing is screwed (Blu Ray HD movie playback).

It's not Sony (at least the Computer Entertainment division) that needs to blink, it's the movie studios that need to blink, they're the ones insisting on the HDMI-only full resolution stuff, so direct your ire at the appropriate people.

 

[Stinkles]

It's not Sony (at least the Computer Entertainment division) that needs to blink, it's the movie studios that need to blink, they're the ones insisting on the HDMI-only full resolution stuff, so direct your ire at the appropriate people.

I was: "Those Blu Ray fucks."

 

[Foil]

Warhawk + Lair launch titles?
F'n awesome.

Warhawk should be awesome. Sadly I think Lair, no matter of it's quality, will sell pretty badly. I wonder if Factor 5's other PS3 project is a new Rogue Squadron game? I can only imagine how awesome that'd look.

 

[Mrbob]

There is also 4 developer interviews in the issue too. They all harp on the same thing: DVD space is not big enough for all the hi res info they need to cram on discs.

 

[Speevy]

Needs?

Sony isn't stupid enough to go with a HDD for PS3. There will most certainly be some sort of TiVo like version of the PS3 later on with a harddrive. But never for game usage.

Yeah. Buying memory cards rocks!

FYI I have 3 game saves, 4 arcade demos, 2 game trailers, 10 photos, and 200 songs on my hard drive.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yeah. Buying memory cards rocks!

Yes, if they are the same ones you can use with your PC, your video-camera and your Digital Photo Camera .

With that said, PlayStation 3 will support a HDD and likely it will be cheaper than the last oen they made available for PlayStation 2 as well as offer more features to the users to allow you to do those things the Xbox 360 lets you do with its HDD.

 

[Speevy]

Yes, if they are the same ones you can use with your PC, your video-camera and your Digital Photo Camera .

I already had a thumb drive, but I see what you're saying.

 

[kaching]

There is also 4 developer interviews in the issue too.

Which devs?

 

[Electrii]

It's great to see that they care so much about the software.

The 360 launch lineup was pathetic in my opinion. absolutely none of the game made me think "wow, I NEED to buy that NOW!"

 

[Guy LeDouche]

If plans haven't changed since E3, there should be a bay for an HDD in the PS3 which will presumably fit standard laptop-size HDDs.

Agreed. I see their best, most hassle-free move being that they don't require people to buy a proprietary Sony PS3 HDD like MS is doing with the X360. Of course Sony will have a 2.5in HDD for PS3 that will probably come pre-loaded with special content as an attraction to buy, but they should make it compatible with *most* 2.5in HDDs. Focus on making money off the DLC (not overcharging, just having alot available), not the HDD.

 

[Mrbob]

Which devs?

Ted Price from Insomniac. Alex Ward from Criterion. Neil Young from EA LA. Evan Wells from Naughty Dog.

 

[kaching]

Thanks, MrBob. Good group there. Might have to see if I can get a glance at this issue.

 

[Mac the KNife]

I really hope they improve their online strategy. And that the system is under 400. And that they fixed the controller.

 

[cyberheater]

Agreed. I see their best, most hassle-free move being that they don't require people to buy a proprietary Sony PS3 HDD like MS is doing with the X360. Of course Sony will have a 2.5in HDD for PS3 that will probably come pre-loaded with special content as an attraction to buy, but they should make it compatible with *most* 2.5in HDDs. Focus on making money off the DLC (not overcharging, just having alot available), not the HDD.

I'm sure PS3 will launch with a hard drive less version. It didn't exactly hurt the PS2 now did it and it would reduce cost.

 

[Raistlin]

PSM: Are you still committed to a spring launch for PS3?

Kaz Hirai: We are still strategizing over that, and we've not come to a decision yet as to whether we want to with Japan first, the same time, three territories at the same time. Those things we're still looking at, and it's obviously a decision that needs to be made with us weighting a variety of actors, including how many units we can ramp up to, what is the manufacturing capacity, but, more importantly, what kind of software lineup are we going to have between first- and third-party in any of the three territories that will get the product first, being Japan, Europe, and the U.S. Which territory has the flow of software, the lineup of software? That will factor into it as well. So, basically, in a nutshell, it's too early to answer that question both from the manufacturing ramp up standpoint as well as the software lineup standpoint.

It's good to hear that software line up is a consideration for their territorial launch dates.

 

[CamHostage]

I don't think Sony even needs to go with a HDD for PS3. It's already going to support a wide range of memory cards types that, with the continually increading capacity if said cards, that they could easily house the functions of an HDD. Plus if Sony did it right they'd allow for an external USB HDDs so that consumers can just get whatever they want without dealing with a PS3 specific HDD.

Agreed, the only reason the HDD came out was because FFX needed it and there was no way to go without. Sony half-heartedly tried to still make it useful for other stuff, but by the time they shipped it, Sony had already moved on and were hoping to forget about the whole thing.

Agreed. I see their best, most hassle-free move being that they don't require people to buy a proprietary Sony PS3 HDD like MS is doing with the X360. Of course Sony will have a 2.5in HDD for PS3 that will probably come pre-loaded with special content as an attraction to buy, but they should make it compatible with *most* 2.5in HDDs. Focus on making money off the DLC (not overcharging, just having alot available), not the HDD.

And if the official HDD came with TIVO features, it would hit saturation easily and make sense for people to buy. The accessory curse didn't stop DualShock from becoming a standard on PS1.

In the meantime, memory sticks can do a heck of a lot more than people think, although I wonder what they'll be worth in the Hi-Def era. It's a conflict to say that we're fine with a gig or two of removable storage but then the 4-8GB of a DVD isn't enough to make HD images out of. Downloadable content is perfectly possible with a Memory Stick (even MMOs, as long as you have a base disc or set of discs), but how much texture data they can cram, and how far procedural design and reused assets would go?

 

[Forsete]

Ted Price from Insomniac. Alex Ward from Criterion. Neil Young from EA LA. Evan Wells from Naughty Dog.

Did ND have anything interesting to say?

Anyone know where I can find the interview besides the mag?

 

[DCharlie]

"It's good to hear that software line up is a consideration for their territorial launch dates."

whats even more interesting (good) about Sonys strategy on software is what we were hearing coming out of them about 2 years ago+

the whole mantra for initial launch games was "has to be demonstratably next gen" - and a lot of people were having trouble with it back then.

This bodes extremely well for their launch titles if they were extremely picky with what gets under the radar - personally, i'm not convinced by the Motorcross game simply because there are a couple of sections in the game that look vastly different to when the reel didn't have a chase view , however, Warhawk looked very impressive and looked like it was a real honest-to-god running game. So hopefully that will pay dividends for Sony and gamers alike as it's one of the stumbling issues with the X360 at the moment IMO.

The games are good, but they aren't OMGWTFSIMM good. And for MS, that isn't good enough. They can't make headway just by being "good" - they have to do it better and slicker than the leader. If sony have their strategy right, and have these uber-impressive titles at launch, with a 39800 yen machine, AND Bluray content - then MS are going to find themselves in a touch of trouble, regarldess of the fact that the machine capabilities shouldn't be massively disproportionate.

 

[Mrbob]

whats even more interesting (good) about Sonys strategy on software is what we were hearing coming out of them about 2 years ago+

the whole mantra for initial launch games was "has to be demonstratably next gen" - and a lot of people were having trouble with it back then.

This bodes extremely well for their launch titles if they were extremely picky with what gets under the radar - personally, i'm not convinced by the Motorcross game simply because there are a couple of sections in the game that look vastly different to when the reel didn't have a chase view , however, Warhawk looked very impressive and looked like it was a real honest-to-god running game. So hopefully that will pay dividends for Sony and gamers alike as it's one of the stumbling issues with the X360 at the moment IMO.

The games are good, but they aren't OMGWTFSIMM good. And for MS, that isn't good enough. They can't make headway just by being "good" - they have to do it better and slicker than the leader. If sony have their strategy right, and have these uber-impressive titles at launch, with a 39800 yen machine, AND Bluray content - then MS are going to find themselves in a touch of trouble, regarldess of the fact that the machine capabilities shouldn't be massively disproportionate.

What do you think about MS using the DVD drive? Do you think this can be a crippling factor for the system around 2008/2009? Developers are already complaining about not having enough space in 2005, and with many games going to big persistent worlds it may not be pretty if you have to swap discs. GTA4 on 4 dvd discs with constant swapping doesn't sound like fun.

 

[DCharlie]

"What do you think about MS using the DVD drive? Do you think this can be a crippling factor for the system around 2008/2009? Developers are already complaining about not having enough space, and with many games going to big persistent worlds it may not be pretty if you have to swap discs. GTA4 on 4 dvd discs with constant swapping doesn't sound like fun."

well, i think the constant disk swapping thing is a bit over stated to be honest, but using DVD seems to be to do with the Time-to-market strategy ; in order to beat Sony, they really had no viable choice unless they wanted to create thier own prop. media (or... i guess installs to hard disk? shudder). Will it cripple the X360? hmmm - not sure. It's annoying because when talking to people about this they are instantly talking about the disk space as a constraint and how they have to think differently about game design , data streaming, level design etc.

Of course there are other constraints (fill rates etc etc) but the disk space seems to be the one, and it's somewhat disappointing going into next gen that we have a pretty significant issue that is constricting game design options.

I don't see what MS can do to get round this without splintering the user base (HD-DVD only games for Xbox361/External HD-DVD drive? Ugh... ). I can see why they went with DVD , but the downsides are pretty grim

 

[SolidSnakex]

This bodes extremely well for their launch titles if they were extremely picky with what gets under the radar - personally, i'm not convinced by the Motorcross game simply because there are a couple of sections in the game that look vastly different to when the reel didn't have a chase view , however, Warhawk looked very impressive and looked like it was a real honest-to-god running game. So hopefully that will pay dividends for Sony and gamers alike as it's one of the stumbling issues with the X360 at the moment IMO.

I doubt Motorstorm is going to be a launch title. That's one of the games they're going to want to deliver on, so I wouldn't expect it to come out until atleast a year after launch. I'm surprised Lair is as far along as it is since the trailer they showed didn't really give you any idea as to how it'd play.

The 3rd SCEA title he mentioned must be I-8 unless its some unannouced game. Since he didn't mention it that probably means it won't make the launch either.

 

[Nostromo]

(they're only getting 11% yields atm, if you didn't know).

and who has told you that?

 

[BlueTsunami]

and who has told you that?

I think hes joking, since Team Xbox is in his comment. If not then whoever said 11% yields has to be dillusional

 

[DCharlie]

"The 3rd SCEA title he mentioned must be I-8 unless its some unannouced game."

i'd assume so, that game has been pretty far along in development AFAIK.

 

[Amir0x]

So what would the launch look like? I-8, Warhawk, Lair - and then obligatory EA games (Fight Night, if it releases in Fall for US - Madden 2007, etc)? Seems a pretty weak launch.

I definitely need to see something playable soon to believe they can pull it off.

 

[Systems_id]

So what would the launch look like? I-8, Warhawk, Lair - and then obligatory EA games (Fight Night, if it releases in Fall for US - Madden 2007, etc)? Seems a pretty weak launch.

I definitely need to see something playable soon to believe they can pull it off.

If Heavenly Sword is added to that list then I'll definately pick up a PS3 at launch considering that the games are good.

 

[Mrbob]

So what would the launch look like? I-8, Warhawk, Lair - and then obligatory EA games (Fight Night, if it releases in Fall for US - Madden 2007, etc)? Seems a pretty weak launch.

I definitely need to see something playable soon to believe they can pull it off.

Well, we would have to see how the first party games turn out first. For all we know they could all be AAA. Having I-8, Lair, and Warhawk there could be a hell of a launch.

 

[Amir0x]

If Heavenly Sword is added to that list then I'll definately pick up a PS3 at launch considering that the games are good.

I'm certainly interested in I-8, Warhawk and Heavenly Sword, but I don't know how much faith I can put in any of them being good especially with Spring Launch. That's why I have to see something playable soon to BELIEVE

 

[Jewbacca]

Is their such thing as a double sided dual layer dvd?


because boom that would be 16+ gigs of space there.


Edit:

"It's also possible to have double-sided dual-layer DVD-Video media, known as DVD-18; some movie vendors use this technology to place widescreen (letterbox) and fullscreen (4:3 TV format) versions of a film on a single DVD."

http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=357294

Duh there is, so what the hell is the problem with capacity on a dvd?

I feel dumb :<

 

[Amir0x]

Is their such thing as a double sided dual layer dvd?


because boom that would be 16+ gigs of space there.

:lol

 

[Wollan]

Happily, I-8, Warhawk, HS and Lair have all shown ingame engine materiall(though HS used a cgi woman face). I-8 and Warhawk are my two personal favorites.

 

[Jewbacca]

:lol

:< what? Im just trying to figure out why people complain about dvd's not being able to hold enough.

 

[Wollan]

You would still have to switch sides.

 

[monkeymagic]

Is their such thing as a double sided dual layer dvd?


because boom that would be 16+ gigs of space there.


Edit:

"It's also possible to have double-sided dual-layer DVD-Video media, known as DVD-18; some movie vendors use this technology to place widescreen (letterbox) and fullscreen (4:3 TV format) versions of a film on a single DVD."

http://www.quepublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=357294

Duh there is, so what the hell is the problem with capacity on a dvd?

I feel dumb :<

DVD18s are expensive and difficult to make

And you still have to switch sides

Cheaper to go with 2 DVD9s

 

[monkeymagic]

Yeah. Buying memory cards rocks!

FYI I have 3 game saves, 4 arcade demos, 2 game trailers, 10 photos, and 200 songs on my hard drive.

Buying solid state cards upto 4GB that work on your digital camera, cellphone, audio player, digital camcorder, PSP etc actually makes a lot more sense than buying 64MB X360 mem cards that only work on...X360.

FYI I have 10 game saves, 20 Genesis games, 3 Family Guy episodes, 1 lost episode, 30 photos and about 50 songs on my memory stick

I could probably fit a few PSP games on there too

 

[Timedog]

Jack Tretton: I don't think a consumer really cares whether or not if [the PS3] is available in another country before or after it's available for them.

aka "the japanese are the real consumers, you idiot. The rest of you are "white devils" whose only purpose are to make us even more rich!"

 

[Striek]

and who has told you that?

TXB forumites who are 'in the know'.
Believe.

So what would the launch look like? I-8, Warhawk, Lair - and then obligatory EA games (Fight Night, if it releases in Fall for US - Madden 2007, etc)? Seems a pretty weak launch.

Theres certain to be more from Sony WWS, but even if not, those 3 + EA + Activision + THQ and all the other companies who are by then fully geared up for next-gen is a launch that would compare very favourably with the X360 launch.

:< what? Im just trying to figure out why people complain about dvd's not being able to hold enough.

X360 can't support DVD-18 (an unstable and costly format) and they can only support 7GB on a DVD-9 disc.

 

[Lo-Volt]

If plans haven't changed since E3, there should be a bay for an HDD in the PS3 which will presumably fit standard laptop-size HDDs.

Interesting, because I never heard much about that slot afterwards. I can't even tell for sure where the slot would be on the E3 PlayStation 3 design.

 

[Amir0x]

aka "the japanese are the real consumers, you idiot. The rest of you are "white devils" whose only purpose are to make us even more rich!"

That comment = Japanese being xenophobic culture snobs? Tasteless.

Theres certain to be more from Sony WWS, but even if not, those 3 + EA + Activision + THQ and all the other companies who are by then fully geared up for next-gen is a launch that would compare very favourably with the X360 launch.

I still think it would be a pretty shallow launch, given the potential timeframe these games were worked on. I mean I guess I'm assuming a lot (since Jan 2005, maybe?), but we haven't seen anything playable and this is targeted for Spring 2006. I just don't think that bodes well for quality re: forcing stuff out for deadline.

 

[DJ Sl4m]

Gaming wise the Halo series >> *, but with that said I'm getting to the point where I rarely play games anymore and I find myseld having more fun with network streaming abilities of things like XBMC.

Seeing as how PS3 and the 360 are so network oriented, I can see myself going after both simply to learn new things to do with both once they achieve full potential in a network setting.

 

[Amir0x]

Gaming wise the Halo series >> *

what does this have to do with this conversation?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Im just trying to figure out why people complain about dvd's not being able to hold enough.

They don't.

Not for pr0n at least.

Or maybe that's my insatiable craving for smut, smut, smut!

CHOOGA CHOOGA! All aboard the Sony hype train!

 

[Wollan]

Interesting, because I never heard much about that slot afterwards. I can't even tell for sure where the slot would be on the E3 PlayStation 3 design.