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Brigandier
Member
The age of Sony is done.
Tommi84
Member
WHAT thing? Alpha leaks or being silent
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
Would be strange to release the Pro then a few months later announce the PS6
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Hugare
Member
Puppeteer was awesome, so was Gravity Rush.
They've also helped with Bloodborne and The Last Guardian.
Stellar Blade was ok, so was Rise of the Ronin, but the were no really great games from Sony in Japan for a long time now.
And I dont think its a coincidence.
Sw0pDiller
Banned
Fuck them. I did not plan on going this year anyway. Most games there run on ps5 and pc hardware anyway.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
There are some rumblings that they might but Im not expecting much.
Well when there’s been no 1st party games that have released that’s a pretty moot point.
Remember a couple years ago all the Sony fan boys bending over backwards to support the GaaS initiative? Maybe if people weren’t so caught up in console wars Sony would have gotten the feedback they needed…
Crazy to think Sony has 2 1st party announced single player games to look forward to and Xbox has 10+. Never thought I’d see the day the narrative completely flipped.
Crazy to think Sony has 2 1st party announced single player games to look forward to and Xbox has 10+. Never thought I’d see the day the narrative completely flipped.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If they're getting rewarded, that means the majority doesn't give a shit about these shows and enjoys their output of games, no?
FWIW, like most of us forum dwellers, we like to be entertained with shows. Understandable as well, but we're the major minority. Sadly.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Hermen the cuck probably thought Concord would carry them for the entire year as far as reveals go. Lmfao
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
There is at least one game that I'm excited about.
Other than this Sony own 1st party almost has nothing for me.....no different than Xbox from my perspective.
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simpatico
Member
Wonder what they will do with all the signage they printed up for the Concord booths at the shows. I wonder if they can send it to starving kids, like the super bowl t shirts printed for the losing team. They could have a mini Concord village perhaps. If the reception to that was warmer would Sony be doing more press this summer?
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Jigsaah
Member
True. The core doesn't care. And even if we forum dwellers stop rewarding them for low effort in their presentations, we are just a drop in the bucket. They already have the mindshare, so as far as business goes...it makes sense. Why put forth greater effort to promote yourself when you ARE the household name.
It also would explain why Xbox having a fantastic show barely moves the needle for the core base of gamers. I think it helps create mindshare for Gamepass...but Xbox...as a console? "We got PS5 for that" is what I imagine the unplugged would say.
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I should add that PS5 PRo is still coming and rationing their announcements to around the time that console is ready also makes good business sense.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
This.
Sony, Nintendo, Rockstar and many more do not feel the need to go to events like this any longer and for them, it makes complete sense.
They can dominate the media cycle by doing their own events. Look at Nintendo's last direct, the attention is currently on them. How the fuck they doing that with hundreds of other announcements going on? Its worthless, it gives them nothing, it literally hurts them if anything as you are now spending more money, to be put out a trailer on a day hundreds of others are doing so....
That random trailer or event on your own is not only cheaper, people will literally not STFU about you for the next week.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying that these shows are dead, they are still useful for lots of publishers, smaller teams etc, but the big publishers need not waste time or energy wasting marketing dollars on such a crowded event. The goal is to have all eyes on you and if that can happen on a random ass Tuesday, most publishers would rather do that and have the internet do nothing but talk about them for the next week.
Moriarty1889
Member
Sony has become nothing more than a bunch of passive bitches.
Moriarty1889
Member
Agreed but yet there will be certain people saying E3 and big shows are just a waste of time and money……. Morons.i actually miss those days.
now everything is scripted and boring
Nydius
Gold Member
The only morons are people stuck in the past, when trade shows were necessary in the days prior to the internet, or the early days of the internet where it was still better to have in person gatherings to showcase your newest products.
Those days are gone. It's not economically worthwhile to spend the time or money on one or two big annual shows when you can spend significantly less and generate multiple waves of PR "hype" over the course of the year.
I find all this nostalgic looking back at E3 hilarious given how every year people would be around here bitching and moaning about how what was shown was nothing like the games that eventually came out. How E3 led us to discussions about vertical slices and bullshots. Everyone around here is pining for shows they'd watch and then spend the next week shitting on.
Trade shows are a relic of the past. They're dying across all industries. Even CES is fading.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Nobody bought them. Can't be surprised. If MediaMolecule fails again, they'll get shut down. Would you be surprised by that.
Like, Astro Bot is probably going to wind up blowing everything original from Japan Studio out of the water.
Last Guardian was mid.
As has been said before, Rise of The Ronin would probably have a Japan Studios logo on it if they were still around.
I think it's a coincidence of timing. The Japanese game industry isn't in the same position it was before.
Puscifer
Member
Honestly death to the hype cycle
remember when Sony was all about hype and first party games ? now we just need to wait for another patetic SoP or Showcase... fuck you Sony
Represent.
Banned
Garbage company right now. Anyone in denial is naive. Their focus right now GAAS trash mixed in with some AA level games
Positive note: PS5 will have the greatest end of gen run of games in history. Could be one banger after banger after GOTY after another to end the gen. It should be
Positive note: PS5 will have the greatest end of gen run of games in history. Could be one banger after banger after GOTY after another to end the gen. It should be
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Astro bot looks fun. Nothing exceptional though.There is at least one game that I'm excited about.
Other than this Sony own 1st party almost has nothing for me.....no different than Xbox from my perspective.
Out of curiosity though what are you looking for if nothing from the Xbox showcase isn’t for you? I thought Doom, south of midnight, gears, avowed and fable all looked really great.
Lokaum D+
Member
yeah, so much better be on the dark for many many years
Little Mac
Member
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I’m big fan of Japanese games, Sony used to do more Japanese first party games but this gen they almost exclusively switch to western first party.
This is why for my taste 3rd party delivering on more of the games I enjoy more than Sony and Microsoft.
ByWatterson
Member
When will you guys realize that game conventions cater to an even smaller audienve than YouTube, which is already a tiny fraction of overall gamers?
The ROI for shows like these is probably infinitesimal.
The ROI for shows like these is probably infinitesimal.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
well. it's marketing...and games need marketing despite what some people think.
nial
Member
This would have been Japan Studio's output thus far had SIE not done the big reorganization in April 2021:
This is Japan Studio's legacy ever since their establishment in September 2005, a mess of a division housing several teams without any clear direction, and a bunch of external producers arguably carrying the whole thing.
If Astro Bot ends up being the most successful title developed by SCEI since Gran Turismo 1 (before Polyphony Digital took over the series), they'll have to ask themselves what the hell they were doing in the past 23 years.
It's kinda telling that one is about showcases, and the other about actual games.
Gran Turismo 8 and Horizon 3 will 100% be released before Wolverine, lol.
Imtjnotu
Member
nial
Member
FYI, WWS Japan Studio was not replaced by either Team Asobi or XDEV, but rather by a division called PlayStation Studios (there are three of these around the world) inside Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc. in Tokyo. They also do other stuff like Japanese localization of SIE's Western games.
nial
Member
You people seriously need to explain this, because I'm not seeing it aside from Media Molecule (which has kinda been a clusterfuck since the PS Vita era), and arguably Naughty Dog.
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Hugare
Member
I remember Andrew House (or was it Shawn Layden) saying that even if these games dont sell all that well, they are important for the portfolio.
Demons Souls (a game that Japan Studio also assisted, btw) was small, not selling all that well when it launched. See how big Souls games are right now.
A lot of people buy Playstation consoles to play Spider-man, but a lot dont. You want a diverse portfolio to sell consoles for those. Games like Astrobot are important, and we would have more of those with Japan Studios.
I would bet that some people bought PS4's to play TLG.
You are mid
This doesnt make any fucking sense. Team Ninja is 3rd party.
Yeah, Nintendo, Capcom and Sega are totally at the brink of being broke
Brigandier
Member
I'm as sure about it as when the legendary Kaz Hirai said
"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does!!"
nial
Member
You must be kidding.
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Lokaum D+
Member
I'm as sure about it as when the legendary Kaz Hirai said
"The next generation doesn't start until we say it does!!"
Hugare
Member
Whats your point?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
30 million for Xbox alone at E3s is a lot of money for one show
Its starts adding up all those shows year after year
nial
Member
You know that Demon's Souls 2009, a game developed by a third-party company (much like Rise of the Ronin), featured the Japan Studio logo, right?
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I assume he means Nintendo skipped this year because they’re not revealing Switch 2 until later. When in actuality I really wouldn’t expect a Switch 2 reveal until January.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Nintendo never distanced. They were there through 2019 alongside Xbox even after the gaping void was left by Sony not going that year. Nintendo never stopped exhibiting, it was a huge focus of theirs. E3 simply died once Covid hit and so Nintendo couldn’t go anymore. And same with Xbox.
But my main point is that Gamescom isn’t slowly dying due to lack of participant interest and a reason for existing. That was E3’s issue the last few years. Originally it was intended as a way for press and retailers to see products that they would be selling later in the year. Once the timing of that changed it more just turned into a place for gamers to receive a bunch of news, which is when interest from participants started to wane. Whereas Gamescom has always been a public show, and it’s the largest in the world. 320,000 attendees last year. It’s safe because it’s not E3 and because it never tried to be.
But with E3 gone, it’s really the last major in-person opportunity to exhibit outside of smaller scale shows like PAX. Specifically for videogames.
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Hugare
Member
Yeah? And it was remembered as a gem. While Rise of the Ronin wasnt assisted by Japan Studios and is mid af.
So maybe if they had the Japan Studios logo on it, it would have turned out better than it did.
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nial
Member
Try following the conversation, no one cares about what you think of either of these games, but if SIE was still using the Japan Studio branding, Rise of the Ronin would have featured it.
And yes, it was, not only because it started development in 2015, but also due to it being produced by the current external development department at PS Studios Japan, which used to be part of WWS Japan Studio.
Varteras
Member
We'll have to see what Gamescom's attendance looks like this year. So far, it hasn't recovered its pre-pandemic levels.
Regardless of its fate, none of these companies need it. Certainly not Sony or Nintendo. They could never show up to Gamescom ever again and be perfectly fine. Sony has been, and they're both skipping it this year.
splattered
Member
Title should read "Sony skipping Playstation again this year"
rhodesianshepard
Banned
Xbox just had a Showcase outlining their next 3 years. Playstation had a State of Play showing the next 6 months of releases. And as much as us die hard gamers enjoy big showcases, the casuals and average gamers dont watch or care. Nobody is buying consoles for games that are 2+ years away
Playstation will care if the narrative flips to Xbox releasing higher quality games than Playstation. That would move the needle for many gamers, not bigger showcases
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