FrontalMonk
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Professions should never have been in the core skill list anyway. Backgrounds - with a little more mechanical oomph - could have been used for crafting and professions.
Fiddling about with one skill point here and there used to take my players ages and you didn't get that much benefit in game from a point or two difference.
I would love the system WotC were taking about with skill ranks like: apprentice, trained, expert, master, etc. I think that would be nice for 5e. I haven't heard anything about that though and I think they are moving in a different direction now.
What particular things did you hate to death about it? I mean, I know as much as the next guy that 4th isn't a perfect system, but I think it does a lot of things right. And as far as minis go...well, until I found out a friend of mine has an obsessive desire to collect the things, I always just used tokens. Pennies, nickels, dice, whatever. The fact that there's no facing in 4e helps in that regard.
I didn't care much for how "video gamey" the combat was and how much emphasis was put on that in general. I think the "fluff" also threw me off - The art was horrible, the lizard people make me gag etc. I know that has nothing to do with the game itself, but it jest further fueled my feelings that D&D was losing touch with what made me play it in the first place.
Now, it's not that I hate 4e in particular or anything like that - I started drfting away from D&D long before 4e, so it really doesn't deserve all of the blame.
As for me warming up to it lately - I found the combat system pretty fluid and some of their idea executed better than I expected, so now I mostly play-hate it on principle or something.
EDIT: I think the reason the thread was invisible for some people was that things move much faster in Gaming, so the thread was in the first pages only briefly when someone posted.
FrontalMonk
Banned
haha, yeah I hear you on the "video gamey" aspect of things. A buddy of mine went to great lengths to find World of Warcraft analogs to everything in D&D4e.
I've realized more and more that the big thing about 4e is that just like all the other editions, once everyone is comfortable with the system and everyone knows what their character can do, the game is a lot of fun, with people moving enemies all over the map, triggering sneak attacks and just generally wrecking face with all the cool abilities they have. It's the lead up to that point that's far more excruciating than in other editions, though, where everyone's staring at their power list going "shit, what the hell do I do".
The funny thing is that I was a die hard 4e apologist (and still am a bit) but when a friend of mine railed on 3.5e for its shortcomings compared to 4e, I switched sides immediately and started defending 3.5e (except the grappling rules, those are indefensible). I'm just a fan of D&D in general, and I recognize that in a lot of cases I like the rules as written, and in others I tell my players to take a +/-2 to a skill check and call it a day.
I've realized more and more that the big thing about 4e is that just like all the other editions, once everyone is comfortable with the system and everyone knows what their character can do, the game is a lot of fun, with people moving enemies all over the map, triggering sneak attacks and just generally wrecking face with all the cool abilities they have. It's the lead up to that point that's far more excruciating than in other editions, though, where everyone's staring at their power list going "shit, what the hell do I do".
The funny thing is that I was a die hard 4e apologist (and still am a bit) but when a friend of mine railed on 3.5e for its shortcomings compared to 4e, I switched sides immediately and started defending 3.5e (except the grappling rules, those are indefensible). I'm just a fan of D&D in general, and I recognize that in a lot of cases I like the rules as written, and in others I tell my players to take a +/-2 to a skill check and call it a day.
DurielBlack
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I agree with the assessment that 4e is too much like a video game.
While it does have some nice mechanics and changes for the better, it's extreme focus on tactical miniatures-type combat is a turn-off for me. I'd rather just go play a board game instead. Mostly I play 3.5e with some homebrewed changes (like combining some of the redundant skills like hide/sneak, and giving some of the non-rogue classes more skill points/level)
It's easier to skip the board-game aspect of 3.5 IMO.
While it does have some nice mechanics and changes for the better, it's extreme focus on tactical miniatures-type combat is a turn-off for me. I'd rather just go play a board game instead. Mostly I play 3.5e with some homebrewed changes (like combining some of the redundant skills like hide/sneak, and giving some of the non-rogue classes more skill points/level)
It's easier to skip the board-game aspect of 3.5 IMO.
Wow, someone on Twitter linked my post on Dread to the awesome Shut Up & Sit Down guys, asking them to review it. I certainly hope they do, I'm a big fan of theirs and they did a great job reviewing the incredible Fiasco.
By the way, I know this is an RPG thread, but if you like tabletop gaming, check out Shut Up & Sit Down. It's a great show and blog that reviews card and board games in a unique, interesting, and entertaining way. Even if those games aren't your thing, their show is still worth a watch. I can't recommend it enough.
By the way, I know this is an RPG thread, but if you like tabletop gaming, check out Shut Up & Sit Down. It's a great show and blog that reviews card and board games in a unique, interesting, and entertaining way. Even if those games aren't your thing, their show is still worth a watch. I can't recommend it enough.
krypt0nian
Banned
I guess for me after playing 4E for two years and enjoying it as a game, I realized it wasn't D&D enough for me. Too much had changed for me and it lacked a certain feel. I think I ended up hating the absolute need for balance the most.
I do think it got handling monsters perfect though. Monsters work great with at wills and encounter/recharge powers.
I ended up looking backwards to Pathfinder, which I had avoided like a plague, and found much more of the D&D that I was missing. Still has some flaws of 3.5 but overall it's a joy.
I'll still defend 4E as a game, but as Dungeons & Dragons, it's not for me.
I do think it got handling monsters perfect though. Monsters work great with at wills and encounter/recharge powers.
I ended up looking backwards to Pathfinder, which I had avoided like a plague, and found much more of the D&D that I was missing. Still has some flaws of 3.5 but overall it's a joy.
I'll still defend 4E as a game, but as Dungeons & Dragons, it's not for me.
It was only a matter of time before this discussion about 4e was brought up. I currently play 4e once a fortnight with friends, but that's less about the system and more about the people I play with. Any game is fun with them, it just happens to be the system of choice of the man who's GMing at the moment, and the rest of us are cool with that, cause we'll still RP and he'll take that on board.
The PA D&D podcasts are what got me interested in RPGs to begin with, but I quickly started leaning towards the indie RPGs. I find the approach they take to gaming is far more interesting and more conductive to actual roleplaying that matters.
If you look at the last PA D&D video from PAX, it's cringe-worthy to watch the first thing the GM has them do. Roll to get on the dragon so they can fly off. Why do that? They're gonna get on the dragon eventually anyway, it's just a transport mechanism to get them to the next scene, why make them roll and roll until they succeed in mounting it? The most that happens is they lose some HP when they fail to mount it and fall off, how is that interesting or fun at all? Say they all got on when they wanted to and get the players to the interesting bits.
I haven't played any other d20 games, but I can't see how they'd be any different in the way of excluding actual roleplaying altogether. Yes, you can roleplay if you want to, but I don't see it being part of the system in any way at all. I could go through a game entirely just rolling dice to do stuff and not play out a single scene, action or conversation. I could not have a backstory or even a fleshed out character and it wouldn't matter. For some, this may be exactly what they want, or they're happy to slap RP on top for some flavour. That's fine, but it's not for me (even though I'm pretty much doing that at present, we have fleshed out characters with thought and reason put into them, I like playing with my friends and it's more than just gaming with them).
The above is why I find indie RPGs so attractive. FATE RPGs, Dogs in the Vineyard, Apocalypse World, Burning Wheel, Fiasco, Penny for Your Thoughts and such are all great at integrating roleplaying within the system and encouraging it as part of the mechanics. You could skip it all if you wanted to, but that'd suck all the fun out of it, and make playing them pointless. They're not for everyone, but if you've got the right attitude, they're a lot of fun.
Whoops, I've kinda put my own agenda all throughout this post. Ah well, take it as a declaration of my love for indie RPGs and story games.
The PA D&D podcasts are what got me interested in RPGs to begin with, but I quickly started leaning towards the indie RPGs. I find the approach they take to gaming is far more interesting and more conductive to actual roleplaying that matters.
If you look at the last PA D&D video from PAX, it's cringe-worthy to watch the first thing the GM has them do. Roll to get on the dragon so they can fly off. Why do that? They're gonna get on the dragon eventually anyway, it's just a transport mechanism to get them to the next scene, why make them roll and roll until they succeed in mounting it? The most that happens is they lose some HP when they fail to mount it and fall off, how is that interesting or fun at all? Say they all got on when they wanted to and get the players to the interesting bits.
I haven't played any other d20 games, but I can't see how they'd be any different in the way of excluding actual roleplaying altogether. Yes, you can roleplay if you want to, but I don't see it being part of the system in any way at all. I could go through a game entirely just rolling dice to do stuff and not play out a single scene, action or conversation. I could not have a backstory or even a fleshed out character and it wouldn't matter. For some, this may be exactly what they want, or they're happy to slap RP on top for some flavour. That's fine, but it's not for me (even though I'm pretty much doing that at present, we have fleshed out characters with thought and reason put into them, I like playing with my friends and it's more than just gaming with them).
The above is why I find indie RPGs so attractive. FATE RPGs, Dogs in the Vineyard, Apocalypse World, Burning Wheel, Fiasco, Penny for Your Thoughts and such are all great at integrating roleplaying within the system and encouraging it as part of the mechanics. You could skip it all if you wanted to, but that'd suck all the fun out of it, and make playing them pointless. They're not for everyone, but if you've got the right attitude, they're a lot of fun.
Whoops, I've kinda put my own agenda all throughout this post. Ah well, take it as a declaration of my love for indie RPGs and story games.
I'm in a Pathfinder campaign set in the world of Golarion but using homebrew adventures. The party found it's way to Kaer Maga and we're puting down roots there. It's a very chaotic and messed up place but so far we're loving it. Had my fortune told by a troll who pulled out her own intestines, read my future with them, and then stuffed her guts back in so they could regenerate. Kaer Maga seems like my kind of town!
I'm playing Ezrab the Executioner, a half-orc rogue who weilds a greataxe. I'm going for a very tough rogue build, someone who stays in melee and doesn't have much to do with ranged attacks or finesse weapons. Basically a thug capable of some second storey burglar work. My party includes a human oracle who's been blinded by electro-shock therapy, a dwarf fighter who lost a hand but was able to build a decent prosthetic, a human magus who puts spells into a morning star, and a human gunslinger. We're a pretty motley group of anti-heroes.
We've got backstories and each of us has got a pretty good idea of how our characters will spec out (provided we live of course.) Looks like it's going to be a good group. We started at Level 1 but are at Level 3 now. Once we get out of this dungeon we found ourselves in I think we'll have enough treasure to make our mark in this strange old city.
I'm playing Ezrab the Executioner, a half-orc rogue who weilds a greataxe. I'm going for a very tough rogue build, someone who stays in melee and doesn't have much to do with ranged attacks or finesse weapons. Basically a thug capable of some second storey burglar work. My party includes a human oracle who's been blinded by electro-shock therapy, a dwarf fighter who lost a hand but was able to build a decent prosthetic, a human magus who puts spells into a morning star, and a human gunslinger. We're a pretty motley group of anti-heroes.
We've got backstories and each of us has got a pretty good idea of how our characters will spec out (provided we live of course.) Looks like it's going to be a good group. We started at Level 1 but are at Level 3 now. Once we get out of this dungeon we found ourselves in I think we'll have enough treasure to make our mark in this strange old city.
ChiTownBuffalo
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Is it weird that I name all my characters after porn stars?
Sasha the Grey
Peter of the North
Lexington Steele
Cytheria of the Waves
Sasha the Grey
Peter of the North
Lexington Steele
Cytheria of the Waves
That's fine, it's a beautiful post
I've been playing RPGs since I was 12. I've started with AD&D, moved to thied edition when it came out but soon after that, around high school, I got interested in more fringe and indie RPGs that I found.
And I find listening to most people play painful, I don't understand people that never talk in-character in the game... I know I'm treading towards "drama club douchbag" here, but you don't have to be an actor to at least try and make your character live...
krypt0nian
Banned
That's fine, it's a beautiful post
I've been playing RPGs since I was 12. I've started with AD&D, moved to thied edition when it came out but soon after that, around high school, I got interested in more fringe and indie RPGs that I found.
And I find listening to most people play painful, I don't understand people that never talk in-character in the game... I know I'm treading towards "drama club douchbag" here, but you don't have to be an actor to at least try and make your character live...
I feel the same way but I never used to. I just happen to fall into a group that was safe once upon a time, and the game blossomed. Now I can still play a dungeon hack, but I greatly prefer roleplaying a telling a story with my character, and it's even better when you can combine both.
The 4e talk is interesting because it's the first system I've played and thus the first time I had played a pnp game (online though). The grid based combat and video gamey-ness probably helped me understand how things worked because it instantly reminded me of a tactics or srpg game. 3.5 would probably be a bigger mystery despite my knowledge of the classes and feats from NWN. Things like movement, etc.
I've listened to a bunch of actual plays and some of them are horrific. Nobody wants to hear something like "I roll diplomacy/fast talk/persuade to try and get what I want from this NPC", it's not interesting or engaging. It doesn't take much to spice it up a little bit, you don't have to be a wordsmith by any stretch. I'm a terrible actor (even though I like to pretend I'm pretty good), but that's not what matters, far from it. You just need to make your world feel more alive, like there are actual people living in it and that you're there making things better or worse, show whether your character is a pleasant person to be around or if he's an insufferable jerk.
I love listening to some actual plays on RPPR. They're not all great, they may drop in and out of RP to roll stuff or whatever, which is fine, you can't be on all the time, but there are some standouts. On the rare occasion when Cody is playing, it's always awesome to listen to. He is an amazing RPer and always good for a laugh, but it's not him that makes you laugh, it's his character, and it's so very funny. He nails voices and mannerisms so well, I get jealous just listening to him.
But yes, you don't have to be an actor, you just have to give it a go. You'll get better with time and practice. A good way to start is never ask to roll, just declare your action/s and/or have a go at saying what your character would, if the GM asks for a roll, fine, if not, just go with it. It's fun as hell.
shoplifter
Member
Now that I've had a chance to read the full Hackmaster PDF.... <3 <3 <3
krypt0nian
Banned
I think you'd be surprised. 3.5/Pathfinder is very grid friendly, but not dependent on it.
Great advise. So much better then "I roll diplomacy to try and get the mayor to give us a bigger quest reward."
What do you say? How do you phrase it?
Start with what would I do? Then you can slowly lean into what would my character do with his/her personal motivations?
Maybe when I move to a new city I'll find a Pathfinder group, if only for the gunslinger class!
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
The Final Fantasy Tactics-ness of 4e is the draw.
I personally like the system, because it engages my friends who would not normally play PNP RPGS otherwise. Yes, there are DC checks when you have to do things, but good DM's spice it up, and make the failures entertaining for the players if its a mundane thing and perilous if its something important.
4e is a gateway.
For example. the people who I'm trying to get to play Shadowrun, liek the idea of Shadowrun. But the rules are daunting for them.
I personally like the system, because it engages my friends who would not normally play PNP RPGS otherwise. Yes, there are DC checks when you have to do things, but good DM's spice it up, and make the failures entertaining for the players if its a mundane thing and perilous if its something important.
4e is a gateway.
For example. the people who I'm trying to get to play Shadowrun, liek the idea of Shadowrun. But the rules are daunting for them.
krypt0nian
Banned
Yeah, especially with the made-for-gunslinger-types Skull & Shackles pirate themed campaign starting up from Paizo!
If the GM is good, a dungeon hack can get the best role-playing from people. You need to get the characters and players as one, and the best way to do so is put both of them under stress.
Exactly, you don't need to be an actor to flesh out your character.
It's fine to drop character every once in a while for rolls or whatever, but as long a you don't overdo it or let it take over the game it's fine.
And I'll check out the actual play podcast, I've been craving something like that for a while
That's probably because Shadowrun's system sucks balls though.
I think most people would find it easier to get into P&P games with something even as pretentious as Polaris than D&D. It's much more light on the rules and it's much more intuitive - you pretend to be a character and then you play as one. There isn't even a GM.
P&P games are not hard to get, there's not a person on earth who haven't role-played before, D&D just makes it look like it has to be complicated...
Spot on. That's exactly the things you should be asking yourself and the processes to go through just to get things started. It's great if the GM asks these questions too, try to gently drag something out of the players.
If you're having a hard time getting into your characters shoes, maybe it's a bit too different from you for you to do it. If you're finding it hard, maybe make the character like you are, but add a bit of a twist. That way the leap from "what would I do/say" to "what would my character do/say" isn't a big one. Maybe give your character a shorter temper, make them a bit more of a smart-arse, or maybe they're a bit of a mumma's boy without much gumption. Once you're comfortable with that, then you can have your character's persona drift further away from yours.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Oh it sucks both balls.
Why the fuck would I want to mess with this many D6's?
I'm about to switch it up to Paranoia. It fits our group sense of humor more and there is only one die to worry about.
krypt0nian
Banned
I have found that if the action you're about to take makes you personally uncomfortable, you may be doing it right. And that's not to say necessarily a morally based action, but perhaps a tactical move that you know is not optimal but makes the most sense from character motivation standpoint. Or not saying something to the group that you know about the plot, that the character would be uncomfortable saying. Or vice versa, saying something that you know is wrong, but the character is sure of.
I find that if it's easy to get my character if I keep the motivations simple and clear. What do I want from this situation? Short term goals? Long term goals?
One tip I can give for role-playing a chracter you're having trouble getting into, is starting with all of his concepts all the way up to 11. Start everything extreme. He's a talkative-jester type? Make these practically define him. After a couple of sessions with him, I guarantee you he'll dial back to normal level and you'll be able to find his extra depth.
It's not just the dice, the character creation is like some sort of Chinese torture.
And I'll check out the actual play podcast, I've been craving something like that for a while
I hope you enjoy some of the stuff they do. I realise now that I didn't link directly to the actual play site, but the link is visible in the top left.
Cody's character 'Dash Guster' in the Monsters and Other Childish Things scenario 'Sucrose Park' made me laugh. Maybe it's my childishness that enjoyed the nerdy lisp, but I thought it was great.
The guys over at The Drunk and Ugly have some great actual plays too, they really get into their characters. It's really quite evident in their 'Little Fears' games, they roleplay as children very well. They have a long-running Monsters and Other Childish Things game going also, though I haven't listened to it. Ross Payton of RPPR went over and ran a game of MaOCT for them once also, which is cool since he's actually written a massive adventure and a sourcebook for that game.
Seriously, I think Fiasco is the best gateway game if people want to RP. No GM either, so everyone can play, everyone gets it and will have a blast with pure RP. A new playset every month too!
And yes, everyone has role-played before. Who didn't play cops & robbers or pirates or ninja turtles with their friends? It's no different as adults, except some people have inhibitions getting in the way of them getting into it and having fun. I still have this issue from time to time. My imagination was awesome as a kid, writing stories and plays and stuff; I wish I could have some of that back.
ChiTownBuffalo
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I read this part and thought, "But Palladium's skill system and combat sucked."
But I loved reading those damn books.
FrontalMonk
Banned
Agreed. Personally, I usually keep a little flavor in for everything from a DC check to an attack roll. Sometimes you gotta keep things moving, but a little "You duck under his sword, but he swings with the hammer in his main hand that catches you in the side, and knocks a few chain rings loose" is always better than "You take six damage".
Sweet jesus yes. I hate shadowrun's ruleset with a passion, yet I love the lore and setting. Honestly though, it's not about the number of the d6's, but the successes system used in it and in WW games. If you're gonna hand me some d6's, I'd much rather go with WEG's Star Wars d6 system. Roll 'em up, add 'em up. Rolled a 6 on your fate die? Roll it again. Got another 6? Roll it again. Gotten some retarded good rolls (and bad botches) out of that.
Danoss: I've really enjoyed the podcasts you linked me earlier, the Unspeakable Actual Plays are quite interesting in getting a sense of how other keepers run their games which should help a lot. Delta Green stuff aside though, the MU Podcasts are fantastic, really good discussion on core elements of characters so far, and I've especially enjoyed their comments on the beastiary - I've got some incredibly solid ideas of how to play mythos creatures now, while before this I didn't realise their incredible potential to be so much more than stock scary monsters. Really hyped for my next session, which may be on sunday.
In other news, one of the players in my group has set off a Drakar och Demoner (the Swedish RPG mentioned previously) campaign and another has expressed interest in GM'ing Mutant (Swedish Post-Apocalypse stuff, pretty neat). We hadn't run any games in five years up until recently so it's fantastic to see how quickly excitement is returning to us!
In other news, one of the players in my group has set off a Drakar och Demoner (the Swedish RPG mentioned previously) campaign and another has expressed interest in GM'ing Mutant (Swedish Post-Apocalypse stuff, pretty neat). We hadn't run any games in five years up until recently so it's fantastic to see how quickly excitement is returning to us!
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Deleted member 10571
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I really dig the Critical Hit Major Spoilers D&D podcast, but I'm kinda curious if there are fun (!) and well-made podcasts about other RPG systems as well. Critical Hit got me a lot of understanding about how D&D 4 works, and maybe there are some entertaining podcasts about other systems as well, like WoD, Cthulhu or Pathfinder?
Sweet jesus yes. I hate shadowrun's ruleset with a passion, yet I love the lore and setting. Honestly though, it's not about the number of the d6's, but the successes system used in it and in WW games. If you're gonna hand me some d6's, I'd much rather go with WEG's Star Wars d6 system. Roll 'em up, add 'em up. Rolled a 6 on your fate die? Roll it again. Got another 6? Roll it again. Gotten some retarded good rolls (and bad botches) out of that.
I actually prefer counting successes - It's faster and easier than adding together a bunch of numbers.
Welcome to the party bufbaf. Still interested in our potential project?
Glad to hear it peakish! It really is great to see what other keepers do with their games, especially so you can steal their ideas and adapt them into your own games. The Hounds of Tindalos mentioned on the last MU Podcast are absolutely devilish (have a look at some of the artistic interpretations on GIS) I love it!
I didn't know until just recently that at least some of the MU Podcasts guys have written adventures and such for Chaosium, which is pretty cool. You can tell by listening to them that they're very knowledgeable and experienced with the system, I just had no idea they were published also. Pretty cool stuff.
I'm certainly keen to hear anything you'd like to share about your upcoming game session.
I listen to a variety of actual play podcasts and quite enjoy them. When I'm not gaming myself, I'm reading, talking, writing about it or listening to others game or talk about it. Here's some that have a mixture of different games, Cthulhu, D&D, Wild Talents, Monsters and Other Childish Things, Little Fears, Eclipse Phase and more. There are actual play episodes where you listen to them play, there are discussions about different topics and there are interviews with people from the RPG industry. A great variety of all things RPG. Hopefully there's something here for yours and others' tastes.
- Unspeakable!
- Role Playing Public Radio
- Role Playing Public Radio Actual Play
- The Drunk and the Ugly
- The Walking Eye
- Atomic Array
- Jennisodes
- Fear the Boot
- Nerdbound
- Swing and a Miss
- Fire n Dice
Edit: Stumbled across a couple of other podcasts and added them.
The Hounds of Tindalos sound amazing. I was actually icked out walking to work today while listening to what they had done and experienced with that creature, haha!
FrontalMonk
Banned
I like adding up big numbers because it makes me feel cool, and I hate the shitty luck of not getting even one or two successes when you have like 8D in a skill.
krypt0nian
Banned
I fell off this one when I fell off 4E (around the Shipwreck! Eps) but jumping back in today. I love Orem.
If you are interested in the Star Warts Saga system then the Order 66 podcast are great. They've really helped my Saga game. Quite crunchy podcasts but with a good atmosphere.
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Deleted member 10571
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Torq ftw. But really all characters are awesome. Ket and Randus are as amazing as well.
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:lol, sums it up pretty much.
Truly, Hackmaster is God's own role-playing game. Also, it has the greatest GM screen there ever has been or ever can be.
ChiTownBuffalo said:
I take it you're not a fan of Hero System, then. Nothing quite says Champions like seeing the party's damage machine roll every single D6 on the table and then some.
FnordChan
shoplifter
Member
Haha, yep. I whipped that thing out several years back and the looks on my groups faces were priceless. They've done a god damned bang-up job making a wonderfully crunchy yet playable game with the new edition.
krypt0nian
Banned
Torq ftw. But really all characters are awesome. Ket and Randus are as amazing as well.
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:lol, sums it up pretty much.
I used to love Torq more but he cheats too much. No one on the planet gets as many crits as he seems to. He seems to have toned it down lately (Shipwreck eps) but I still remember.
He was called out for it a few times on the webpage, and I think he realized.
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Deleted member 10571
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He did? He was? Is there a link? Aw, that would be a shame, I prefer to not believe this :/
krypt0nian
Banned
There's nothing I can think of to link to as it's been centuries. Mostly in the eps comment's section. But c'mon. He would get crits exactly when he needed them. The fight with Grummsh is an example of him always coming through.
I was going to do a chart of his rolls and his hit/miss ratio but lost interest in the cast.
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Deleted member 10571
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Well Randus did even the odds anyway :>
I'm not completely through the series yet, but I remember a lot of times when he was even embarassed, also he rolled quite a few 1's, too. But yeah I see your point
Anyway, the podcast is great.
krypt0nian
Banned
Well Randus did even the odds anyway :>
I'm not completely through the series yet, but I remember a lot of times when he was even embarassed, also he rolled quite a few 1's, too. But yeah I see your point
Anyway, the podcast is great.
There's really nothing out there like it. They all seem amateur in comparison. Rodrigo
We're still trying to figure that out, lol.
Can people recommend a couple more RPG podcasts? I seem to have the worst luck in listening in. Torq looks interesting.
I'm currently in two different 4e games, and played a round of 3.5 once, so discussion about the past systems tend to fascinate me. As for 4e, the mini thing hasn't bothered one of my groups simply because we use tokens and other random stuff to replace the miniatures. Most recent example, we had an encounter with a bunch of two hit zombie minions, and the DM represented all of the zombies with M&Ms.
What I have really enjoyed about 4e is the combat and skill system. The first thing I was exposed to was a 3.5 player's handbook years ago, and the most interesting thing in there for me where the ways you interacted with the environment, both in and out of combat. A bunch of the simulation stuff with details I ended up forgetting later, but the flavor of it stuck with me. And then I got lucky with a DM that essentially let's 4e be it's balanced thing, but then any and all RP stuff adds all sorts of bonuses that can still make combat swingy and crazy fun at times.
The way I ended up seeing it, 4e focuses so much on defining the combat so that it's easy for people to understand, and once they get in it goes quickly. They then left the RP and lore stuff open ended so you can insert whatever you want, as that's easier and more fun to homebrew.
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I'm currently in two different 4e games, and played a round of 3.5 once, so discussion about the past systems tend to fascinate me. As for 4e, the mini thing hasn't bothered one of my groups simply because we use tokens and other random stuff to replace the miniatures. Most recent example, we had an encounter with a bunch of two hit zombie minions, and the DM represented all of the zombies with M&Ms.
What I have really enjoyed about 4e is the combat and skill system. The first thing I was exposed to was a 3.5 player's handbook years ago, and the most interesting thing in there for me where the ways you interacted with the environment, both in and out of combat. A bunch of the simulation stuff with details I ended up forgetting later, but the flavor of it stuck with me. And then I got lucky with a DM that essentially let's 4e be it's balanced thing, but then any and all RP stuff adds all sorts of bonuses that can still make combat swingy and crazy fun at times.
The way I ended up seeing it, 4e focuses so much on defining the combat so that it's easy for people to understand, and once they get in it goes quickly. They then left the RP and lore stuff open ended so you can insert whatever you want, as that's easier and more fun to homebrew.
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Apparently I scrolled too fast. Thanks!
krypt0nian
Banned
Podcast wise, you need the podcast featuring Torq and the Torqeltones, aka Critical Hit, A Major Spoilers podcast - http://www.majorspoilers.com/category/major-spoilers-podcast/critical-hit
You can also subscribe on iTunes.
They just completed their 3rd storyline season and the whole ride has been a great one. Start at the beginning!
Have been spending some time now reading the Shadowrun book and I am definetly sold on the setting. Absolutely love it.
As for the rules, I havent thought of them as that daunting when it comes to the dice rolling. Add some dice to modify, remove some dice to modify, roll and see what you get. It might be because I have yet to actually try play the game (going to gather a group in the week for that).
As for the rules, I havent thought of them as that daunting when it comes to the dice rolling. Add some dice to modify, remove some dice to modify, roll and see what you get. It might be because I have yet to actually try play the game (going to gather a group in the week for that).
krypt0nian
Banned
The early novels are definitely worth reading if you love the setting.