Not familiar with this part of the TCG. Did they have unique designs, too?
I'm open to a Grass/Dragon Dragonite, but technically we just got a nice Grass/Dragon-type with Alolan Exeggutor!
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I'm open to a Grass/Dragon Dragonite, but technically we just got a nice Grass/Dragon-type with Alolan Exeggutor!
Lord_Byron28
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I'm curious if Sun/Moon will be a continuation of the XY/ORAS storyline. It seems to be carrying over elements that were originally intended for a 3rd X/Y game such as Z-moves, Zygarde's new forms and Zygarde cells being scattered all over Alola. Not too mention the anime series picked up on many of these things earlier in their XY&Z saga during the Kalos region. Although one thing not yet revealed in the games is Bond Mechanic. Ash-Greninja are the only examples currently of using the bond mechanic to synchro evolution. I'm thinking bond mechanic may be related to pokemon amie. In 6th gen pokemon in battle would dodge, survive OHKO hits, increase chances of critical hits, etc. from having full hearts in the Amie mode. I think this bond mechanic is an expansion on that.
I also find it interesting that they've yet to say anything on the bad guys yet either. Perhaps they are switching out their formula or something. This is supposed to be a 20th anniversary title, it'd be interesting if the evil team this gen are a bunch of people from previous evil team's throughout the series.
I also find it interesting that they've yet to say anything on the bad guys yet either. Perhaps they are switching out their formula or something. This is supposed to be a 20th anniversary title, it'd be interesting if the evil team this gen are a bunch of people from previous evil team's throughout the series.
War Raichu
Member
maybe the bond mechanic would realize in battle as an aura similar to the totem Pokemon?
I was trying to find fan art of Wimpod (every day is a new flavor for me and Pokemon!), when I came across this intriguing fan art for Salandit instead. Can anyone tell me what's going on here?
Have Gliscor warning signs been spotted in Alola or something?
I don't understand the art, but I like it. Looks like a family of Salandits have made a home in a derelict car wreck (already corroded by their poison), but I'm not sure I understand how Gliscor factors in!
I think it's the Gliscor's den, but it's come back to it over run by Salandit and half eaten. Really like the artstyle.
MegaManTrigger
Banned
The games don't follow the anime, so to expect a bond mechanic like Ash-Greninja is very lofty at this point. What people thought was going to be synchro ended up being Z-Moves, and something that I think is much better executed than if we ended up getting synchro.
Hyperactivity
Banned
What's the issue with it?
Speculation is fun. Half of my memories of smash bros have to do with random speculation.
RomanceDawn
Member
Speculation and dreams about what could be are THE reason why I get on any video game forum! I love reading people's ideas about some tiny portion of a trailer and how there might be some bigger meaning to it.
No fun allowed when it comes to Pokemon mate
Eh. I just assumed it would've just been a heavier Mario. Still, Metal Crystal would've been dope!
Nah, but the art for a few of them played off the theme, like the Dark/Steel Cradily looked super edgy, while the Grass Snorlax was in a meadow. Plus, every Electric type was sparking, be it Golduck, Feraligatr, or Kabutops.
And I guess Exeggutor has the typing covered. It's just that Delta Types were so cool; ignoring actual gameplay mechanics, Delta Types were my second favorite gimmicks after e-Reader mini-games. Hell, even more so than mechanics that impacted the game, like EX or Lv. X cards! Electric Feraligatr was the best idea, but I want to see all of them made canon.
GiantBreadbug
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Uuuuh source? Who said Z-Moves were the only new mechanic?
Synchro a la Ash Greninja is probably going to be in the game, whether or not it's related to Z Moves.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I guess he just want a boring "serious business" discussion in pokemon thread only. I know I don't really post that much but I always enjoys to read people's speculations because it's fun to read. I think some people just need to lighten up in this thread because we only gets to speculate once per 3-4 years.
And SmashGAF didn't?
MegaManTrigger
Banned
Everyone expected what turned out to be Z-Move to be Synchro instead prior to the trailer. It may not be the only feature, but I haven't seen any good reason for why synchros would be in aside from "BC ITS IN THE ANIME!" People who say that fail to realize that the anime isn't even relevant to the games. Furthermore, I disagree about it being in the game, considering it's basically a new paint of M-Evo. For that to be a reality, devs would have to create different models for each group of Pokemon with the trainer's features. There's no point in doing that when they can just create new M-Evos, which emphasize the same exact things that synchro would be about anyway (bonds, powerful Pokemon, etc), so it comes off as redundant.
True, but it's the route we're going down. Besides, it's making the Regis relevant again; even after Regigigas, they were just... There. Tying them to AZ (A top 5 NPC for me with Gary, Red, N, and Crasher Wake) just gets me even more pumped.
Alternatively, I think the sign is warning "Gliscor above," but the one Salandit confuses the arrow as a house, and interprets as "Gliscor = home."
Whatever the case, it's a great piece of art, and makes me want a Pokemon Snap sequel with a level set in an abandoned village from the mid-1900s, slowly being reclaimed by nature, like the ones in Japan. Yhere'd be sights like a family of Salandit inhabiting a derelict car, or a curious Mimikyu following you at length. Maybe a cat colony of Litten in one of the buildings, and some skittish Wimpod in the shallow river that are spooked by the mischievous Ghost-types that come out at night.
ShironRedshift
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I have to agree with what KeasbyKnight said and the car is probably Gliscor's home (or rather, what's left of it) and it's shocked at what they did to it, sine it looks like the speech bubble's coming from Gliscor.I was trying to find fan art of Wimpod (every day is a new flavor for me and Pokemon!), when I came across this intriguing fan art for Salandit instead. Can anyone tell me what's going on here?
Have Gliscor warning signs been spotted in Alola or something?
I don't understand the art, but I like it. Looks like a family of Salandits have made a home in a derelict car wreck (already corroded by their poison), but I'm not sure I understand how Gliscor factors in!
As for why Gliscor... If I had to take a guess I'd say that's probably because one of it's abilities, especially in competitive play, is Poison Heal which means it would normally have nothing to fear from Poison. But Salandit's ability might completely change that (I don't think it's clear how the two interact) and make it nervous around them as well and what's about to happen next especially with it looking a bit roughed up already.
It is? I dunno, I just can't enjoy a theory when is so forced.
You realize that multiple alchemical terms have been directly referenced in Pokemon, right? Does "forced" mean the same thing "unconfirmed, but with a lot of evidence backing the theory" where you come from or are you just of the mind that people can have fun in speculating?
Also, what the heck is boring about ancient, 'magic' psuedo-science with a bunch of astrological ties?
Hell, the very first fire pokemon in the pokedex (Charmander) is based on an alchemical symbol (salamanders being made of fire).
The first pokemon is Bulbasaur....
Hyperactivity
Banned
Hmm
Well, Salandit's ability only gives it the ability to poison any pokemon. So I think it would get past Gligar's Immunity, but Gliscor's poiso heal doesn't really prevent Gliscor from getting poisoned
It would be like if Salandit made Toxic Boost stop working
I'm thinking that Immunity will still stop Salandit's Corrosion, I imagine it only affects immunities through type not through ability
Black-Wind
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I hear what you're saying buuuuuut people just kinda assumed the crystal shard things would line up with it cause they assumed it makes sense. We don't know if synchros are gonna be connected to the stones or amie or something else entirety or if they're even gonna be in the game.
What we DO know is that the anime (which is made to promote the series) is making this a BIIIIIG deal and a huge story arc for something that's not in the games at all nor is needed in the anime as filler. I mean, hell ... I figured there wasn't gonna be a Z version even with Serebii yapping on and on about how the 6th gen aint done yet and how there's gonna be a Pokemon Z cause of the anime. IMO the Z stuff in the anime was just that, anime filler. Turns out that that feature is in the game to even though it's a new gen
(I'm referring to zygarde and it's transformation bs)I don't really think the anime makes big deals like this about stuff that's not gonna be in the games in some way. Not any more at least. I mean, they could just as easily get a mega evol arc with Ash instead. But this ... this seems like a something beyond that with out any reason to be in the anime if not to promote a new feature in the game.
Also, it would be super simple to make synchro evols that match trainer features. There would be a base mesh for the evol and there would be some lil part or parts that change with hair style. Everything else would just be texture changes to match parts up and make it look like that pokemon is channeling THAT trainer.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Still say it's just mega greninja
This. I'm 90℅ sure this is still just either some completely made up bullshit for the anime because they needed a mega for Ash that they'll hand wave away by saying that Ash and Greninja created his mega together.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I don't remember that metal mario/squirtle thing O:
I don't mind speculation, it's when people taking them a bit too seriously that has problems.
And SmashGAF didn't?
It was all fun and games
right?
right...?
like I said, it's more on the "tiring" side than on the "wrong or right" side
MegaManTrigger
Banned
I hear what you're saying buuuuuut people just kinda assumed the crystal shard things would line up with it cause they assumed it makes sense. We don't know if synchros are gonna be connected to the stones or amie or something else entirety or if they're even gonna be in the game.
What we DO know is that the anime (which is made to promote the series) is making this a BIIIIIG deal and a huge story arc for something that's not in the games at all nor is needed in the anime as filler. I mean, hell ... I figured there wasn't gonna be a Z version even with Serebii yapping on and on about how the 6th gen aint done yet and how there's gonna be a Pokemon Z cause of the anime. IMO the Z stuff in the anime was just that, anime filler. Turns out that that feature is in the game to even though it's a new gen
I don't really think the anime makes big deals like this about stuff that's not gonna be in the games in some way. Not any more at least. I mean, they could just as easily get a mega evol arc with Ash instead. But this ... this seems like a something beyond that with out any reason to be in the anime if not to promote a new feature in the game.
Also, it would be super simple to make synchro evols that match trainer features. There would be a base mesh for the evol and there would be some lil part or parts that change with hair style. Everything else would just be texture changes to match parts up and make it look like that pokemon is channeling THAT trainer.
I'm confident that they (Z-Ring/Z-Moves) have nothing to do with synchro. Judging by the marketing material for the toy, and the trailer, it seems that there are crystals that correspond to types. Considering that it's more broad than Mega Stones (which are named after the Pokemon anyway), I really can't see how that proves synchro. With that in mind, if we follow synchro logic, that would essentially mean programming in at least 722 different Pokemon with trainer features unless you're really selective about who gets synchro. That sounds insane and time-consuming no matter how much one may rationalize changing up features being a texture/polygon thing (not to mention quality assurance and bug tests). Furthermore, if they were going to hint at synchro, now would have been the perfect time to unveil it considering we're only 3 months away from release date. In comparison, XY unveiled Mega-Evolutions in August 2013 with the game being out in October.
Just because the anime makes a huge deal about an arc, doesn't mean that the game has to correspond. The anime makes a big deal about certain legendaries having lore that you never really see in the games (ex. Lugia being considered the Kanto Birds trio master when GSC/HGSS never mention anything about it, Legendaries being breedable). In fact, the anime is quite liberal about what the games present. And I think Ash-Greninja is a good example of. It's basically Mega-Evolution but with the added caveat of being unique to Ash because they need to make the protagonist feel special compared to other characters. The only example I can think of off the top of my head is when PMD introduced Primal Dialga for its story. But there was no obligation for the anime or the main series game to follow through with what PMD did, so it's capable to separate things in two canons without having to intersect.
At this point I don't think there's going to be a big synchro mechanic thing in the game, but I also don't see them not including Ash-Greninja, even if it's an event-exclusive thing like with the Speed Boost Torchic during X/Y.
At the very least, I think Greninja will be able to transform into something in this game
At the very least, I think Greninja will be able to transform into something in this game
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
They already mentioned what Ash-Greninja is, a "Bond Phenomenon"
NeonZ
Member
Eh... I think it matters a lot. A random crystal Onyx appearing in one episode is very different from the marketing focus given to Ash Greninja.
But that's exactly how it's presented in the anime. It's an unique rare ability, not something that every Pokemon has.
They're still unveiling new features for the games though. You'd have a point if we had gotten some reveals with nothing to them after they started getting into additions to the game, but at this point revealing bond phenomenon/synchro would make it clash against other reveals.
Furthermore, there's absolutely no chance that Mega Evolution is getting removed. Even if you mention that "features" have been removed before, they've never been Pokemon forms (aside from the notch eared Pichu, which was just a visual change). The Rotom or Deoxys forms didn't suddenly disappear when their initial generation ended. So, they absolutely need to introduce more Mega or basically Mega equivalent Pokemon in order to have greater variety of team building.
You're talking about irrelevant story technicalities though. What's important here is the branding focus on Ash Greninja and its mystery, not continuity or anything like that. It wouldn't make sense to give all this focus to a Pokemon that basically doesn't exist. Any Mega form could basically have taken the same role, and it'd remain "unique" as long as they presented the specific Mega Stone as rare.
Aaronrules380
Member
I don't get how people can doubt Ash-Greninja being in the games, especially given Zygarde's other forms which were literally announced at the same time are also going to be in Sun and Moon
Serpens007
Member
Ash Greninja will be in the game. But it will not be a synchro, it will be Mega Greninja, but he will be following the type of Mega that Rayquaza has, with an special move or something like that.
The anime will probably hint or directly reveal that. Just like they used to reveal new Pokemon there.
Megas will continue, but they will not be a focus. The game will have different types of Mega Evolutions.
You heard it here first folks!
The anime will probably hint or directly reveal that. Just like they used to reveal new Pokemon there.
Megas will continue, but they will not be a focus. The game will have different types of Mega Evolutions.
You heard it here first folks!
I'm just guessing
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
That Gliscor picture reminds me of how interesting it was looking up the other day people talking about Tapu Koko---considering it probably has I'm gonna guess 500 BST like low-tier Legendaries Electric Terrain is gonna be pretty good for it, especially when it was pointed out all the other major Electric Pokemon WON'T get the boost from Electric Terrain due to Flying/Levitate so Koko will basically get 50% improved STAB attacks.
Also when paired up with Komala's evolution, if it's strong enough, since Electric Terrain prevents Sleep Komala 2 won't have to worry about status effects at all.
Also when paired up with Komala's evolution, if it's strong enough, since Electric Terrain prevents Sleep Komala 2 won't have to worry about status effects at all.
I'd prefer a Dragon Feraligatr, but that'd be an interesting type combination. I doubt they took any inspiration from the Delta species when coming up with Alola forms, nor do I imagine every generation getting a fair shake when it comes to giving previous games (or current ones, for that matter) new forms, let alone touching the Gen II starters and making, say, a Flying Typhlosion or Steel Meganium.
Oh wow, were Flying Typhlosion and Steel Meganium other Delta Pokemon from the TCG? :-O
PadWarrior
Member
I'd be ok with this.
No, just came to my mind (Flying isn't a typing in the TCG as far as I know), but it goes to show how creative they could get with some of the older Pokémon in terms of typing/fix the problems they face. Using those two as an example: Given Typholsion's far more vast physical movepool, they could put more points into its attack and speed instead of its special stats like they originally did (doesn't need to be part-flying, it could be rock to go with the erupting idea they go over in the Pokédex). Meganium's major flaw, among other notable issues, is a severely limited movepool as both a supporter/wall, thus a new form could get a lot more support moves, secondary typing (since Grass is a pretty poor defensive type) & organize its stats better to make it a superior wall/healer with more resistances.
WrenchNinja
Member
It's a good guess. Hopefully he's not too broken like protean greninja, an extra item slot is a lot
Lord_Byron28
Member
Mostly agree. Although I think it's gonna be related to pokemon Amie where if you have a maximum bond with certain pokemon it can trigger a special evolution. Pokemon Amie already influences battles in Gen 6 in a similar way to how Ash-Greninja dynamic works already. I just see this kind of bond mechanic/ synchro-evolution as being an extension of this.
Also not to get into some super conspiracy theory. To add another reason why I think Sun/Moon may be a continuation of the XY/ORAS plot is that the delta episode in ORAS talks about project Azoth. Azoth is said to be a universal solvent and the power behind transformation(evolution, megas, Alolan variants, different forms, etc. This just so happens to be an ancient symbol for Azoth:
Possibly just a coincidence but I do find it interesting that the ORAS/S&M director and anime dropped a lot of hints at a continuation to the storyline that many assumed to be for the 3rd X/Y version. However, it's looking more like Sun and Moon may continue the story.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
a lion making out with a gryph
lewd
DEXLEAK DISPROVEN BECAUSE OF BEWEAR PRE-EVO AND A SAND CASTLE MONSTER
lewd
DEXLEAK DISPROVEN BECAUSE OF BEWEAR PRE-EVO AND A SAND CASTLE MONSTER
That would be the easy way out. And while I don't think Sun/Moon will completely do away with Mega Evolutions so soon after their introduction, I have a feeling that we may not get many new Megas (if at all). Also, what was up with that Mega Lugia?
SenorArdilla
Member
Corocoro leak confirms a school of fish and a sandcastle.
Dex leak is fake.
Dex leak is fake.
Serpens007
Member
Damn it, I wanted those Hallucinogenous Poison/Fairy Pokemon
yanipheonu
Member
I'm correct in the conclusion that so far Alola Form Pokemon are all currently Kanto Pokemon right?
Are we going to see a Pokemon GO link where you transfer the base versions of those Pokemon? It seems to potentially fit.
That or I can always dream of an end game visiting of Kanto for the 20th anniversary....
Are we going to see a Pokemon GO link where you transfer the base versions of those Pokemon? It seems to potentially fit.
That or I can always dream of an end game visiting of Kanto for the 20th anniversary....
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
they want to make an incentive on bringing over mons from the RBY VC games
Correct. Since they're the most well-known, it makes sense to use them as the test run for the introduction of different-typed regional breeds. Future games will likely go up the timeline- the trick is that you need to be using Pokemon that are recognizable, and so you have a smaller and smaller pool as you progress through the generations.