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Police officer injured in deadly ambush sues Black Lives Matter leaders

Dram

Member
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-lives-matter-sued-police-deadly-ambush-baton-rouge-deray-mckesson/
A federal lawsuit accuses Black Lives Matter and five of the movement's leaders of inciting violence that led to a gunman's deadly ambush of police officers in Baton Rouge last summer.

DeRay Mckesson and four other Black Lives Matter leaders are named as defendants in the suit filed Friday on behalf of one of the officers wounded in the July 17, 2016, attack by a black military veteran, Gavin Eugene Long, who killed three other officers before he was shot dead.


The suit doesn't name the plaintiff, but its description matches East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Deputy Nicholas Tullier.

The attorneys representing Tullier previously sued Black Lives Matter and Mckesson on behalf of a Baton Rouge police officer who was injured at a protest over a deadly police shooting last July.

Long described himself as a life coach, nutritionist and personal trainer. He posted his thoughts in a series of YouTube videos.

"I thought my own thoughts, I made my own decisions, I'm the one who gotta listen to the judgment," Long said in one video.

Friday's lawsuit claims Mckesson was "in charge of" a July 9 protest that "turned into a riot." Mckesson "did nothing to calm the crowd and, instead, he incited the violence" on behalf of Black Lives Matter, the suit alleges.

The suit describes Long as an "activist whose actions followed and mimicked those of" the sniper who killed officers in Dallas days earlier. The suit also claims Black Lives Matter leaders incited others to harm police "in retaliation for the death of black men killed by police" and "all but too late" began to denounce the shootings of police after the Baton Rouge attack.


Mckesson said he hadn't spoken to his attorney, Billy Gibbens, about the lawsuit and couldn't immediately comment on its allegations. Gibbens declined to comment.

During a court hearing last month, Gibbens argued Black Lives Matter is a movement, not an organization that can be sued. The federal judge assigned to the first suit against Mckesson hasn't ruled on that yet.
 
What's the court going to rule, that you can't advocate violence against a government that you feel is oppressing you? Wouldn't that open up every conservative media outlet and the republican party to the same kind of lawsuit?
 

Polari

Member
This officer is trash and so is his legal argument.

During the ambush, Long shot Tullier in the head, stomach and shoulder, leaving him with brain damage. By December, the 42-year-old father of two had emerged from a vegetative state, regained some movement of his body and was able to communicate nonverbally.

Considering the state he's in I suspect he personally doesn't have that much to do with the suit. Sounds like he suffered pretty horrific injuries just doing his job.
 

Malvolio

Member
What a fantastic way to set the precedent that any protest that escalates to violence is the responsibility of the protest organizers. Now all that needs to happen is for agents to join the protest with escalation in mind and bam, no more protests. Doubly effective if we start labeling protesters as terrorists!
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
So did McKesson ever advocate violence?

Was the ambush part of the protest he's linking it to? Was it listed on their schedule of events? Peaceful protest, Peaceful Prtest gets out of control, chant, murderous ambush in different place/time that already happened so time travel I guess?

Can victims of police violence generally sue the Police Union(s) their employees are members of?



Look, I have sympathy for the officer to a degree (and certainly lots for the deceased from the entirely separate incident), but how is basically pinning it on "most black people" and going to make police and race relations better? How is this going to make other officers safer? Even if you're insane enough to draw a direct line from the assault to McKesson personally, you're literally just fomenting and amplifying the existing divide.

This is like suing greenpeace because a pet owner slapped you.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Considering the state he's in I suspect he personally doesn't have that much to do with the suit. Sounds like he suffered pretty horrific injuries just doing his job.

Yeah, he's severely handicapped and was in a coma for months.
 

Zeeman

Member
Considering the state he's in I suspect he personally doesn't have that much to do with the suit. Sounds like he suffered pretty horrific injuries just doing his job.

Yeah, I'm guessing that the murderer's estate has very little worth, so they're trying a civil suit against people with greater means.
 

NH Apache

Banned
Yeah, I'm guessing that the murderer's estate has very little worth, so they're trying a civil suit against people with greater means.

The attorneys have a hardon for BLM and McKesson. They've gone after them before for different shit.

This will be thrown out as it is federal. It's cheap pr for the lawyers with no scruples.
 

Zeeman

Member
The attorneys have a hardon for BLM and McKesson. They've gone after them before for different shit.

This will be thrown out as it is federal. It's cheap pr for the lawyers with no scruples.

That's pretty shitty then.

Also, is it normal for a lawsuit to not name the plaintiff? I don't even understand how that would work.
 

Nepenthe

Member
Do you think that this sort of attitude is going to make things better? You can disagree with his case while still being mature and respectful to the dead.

It's not on black people and their allies to have a better attitude towards shit like this, because they're not the ones in a position of power to drive change.

Cooperation needs to be led and facilitated primarily by the police. Black people by and large are willing to work peacefully towards a better system- in part because we fear we will be killed without repercussions on part of our killers otherwise- but it needs to be understood that the trust in police has eroded because the actual institution of policing is decidedly racist. Ergo, it is on the police to start the conversations and internal changes and prove that they deserve the trust.

Suing a modern civil rights movement that black people favor because of retaliatory attacks that have ultimately been happening for ages regardless of their existence is not the way to do it, and it certainly isn't the way to get people to be sympathetic. Indeed, they might tell you to fuck off, which they have every moral right to in lieu of the social dynamics in play.

In short, don't get mad at the dog for growling at the guy who regularly kicks him.
 

Strike

Member
The suit describes Long as an "activist whose actions followed and mimicked those of" the sniper who killed officers in Dallas days earlier. The suit also claims Black Lives Matter leaders incited others to harm police "in retaliation for the death of black men killed by police" and "all but too late" began to denounce the shootings of police after the Baton Rouge attack.
Huh. Well that's just bullshit. It would make much more sense to sue the NRA.
 

Slayven

Member
The attorneys representing Tullier previously sued Black Lives Matter and Mckesson on behalf of a Baton Rouge police officer who was injured at a protest over a deadly police shooting last July.
How did that turn out?
 

Adaren

Member
Why is it always on us to be civil when the other side isn't?

You can act however you choose to. But I'd encourage you to think about what type of world you want to live in, and whether your words and actions are doing your tiny part in moving us toward that.

Disagreement can be constructive. Protest can be constructive. "lmao pathetic trash" at an injured police officer whose friends and colleagues were killed probably isn't constructive.

If only police were held to the same standard.

Agreed, if only.
 

Nepenthe

Member
You can act however you choose to. But I'd encourage you to think about what type of world you want to live in, and whether your words and actions are doing your tiny part in moving us toward that.

Disagreement can be constructive. Protest can be constructive. "lmao pathetic trash" at an injured police officer whose friends and colleagues were killed probably isn't constructive.

If only police were held to the same standard.
 
It's not on black people and their allies to have a better attitude towards shit like this, because they're not the ones in a position of power to drive change.

Cooperation needs to be led and facilitated primarily by the police.

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Do you think that this sort of attitude is going to make things better? You can disagree with his case while still being mature and respectful to the dead.

they can go first.

they immediately try to paint the worst possible picture of the minorities they assault and batter and shoot and choke and murder.

what about them stopping first. bet that would cause the most progress.
 

Nepenthe

Member

I've already resigned myself to the fact that America will be a racist shithole until the day I die, because the fact is it doesn't matter how nice we are about it. Me asking nicely for officers to be held accountable for senseless deaths is going to end up with me waved off
and probably shot. /s(?)
 

Slayven

Member
When racists talk out the side of their mouths about MLK jr, remember if he was alive today he would be catching the same hell
 

Mahonay

Banned
Do you think that this sort of attitude is going to make things better? You can disagree with his case while still being mature and respectful to the dead.
Black people are literally powerless in this country against aggressive police and have their civil rights steamrolled pretty regularly. This is not on them. They don't have to give the police force as a whole any respect.
 
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