Gordon Shumway
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Wrap it up, folks..dude MKX'd himself. Lead poisoning will do that..
Police probe finds no evidence Freddie Gray was fatally injured during arrest
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Air Zombie Meat
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The footage of him being dragged to the van makes this really confusing.
The cops aren't held responsible for either scenario, bloody hands, or not. So, like I said, as long as we can keep discussing things minus immediate police reform, it will always be rationalized some how.
Banana Aeon
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This is how they absolve themselves of guilt in the eyes of the naive.
Law enforcement culture is gross. There's a prison where I used to live where my fiancée's brother works and he tells us horror stories of what the CO's do to the inmates there. Convicted rapist getting transferred to the prison? "They've arranged for him to have a very long first night." Growing up, I've heard it from multiple friends fathers who were CO's bragging that they would beat up inmates as a de-stresser. They honestly see it as one of the perks of the job, because they're all 'scumbags anyway'. The notion that prison could even be used to prepare them for re-entry to society is too high-concept for these rednecks. This can't stay confined to one singular part of the justice system.
It's a culture thing where typically lower-income and less educated flock to these professions where racism and high school bullying is embraced, and they get to act it out on a daily basis with no repercussions.
Rough rides are the same exact kind of accepted culture because 'who cares they're all scumbags anyway'.
It's a culture thing where typically lower-income and less educated flock to these professions where racism and high school bullying is embraced, and they get to act it out on a daily basis with no repercussions.
Rough rides are the same exact kind of accepted culture because 'who cares they're all scumbags anyway'.
Omegasquash
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Yeah, another black man has died in police custody due to police not giving enough of a shit to do their job correctly.
Changes nothing, even if true. And i doubt very seriously that it is, given the time that it's taken to come to this.
Changes nothing, even if true. And i doubt very seriously that it is, given the time that it's taken to come to this.
Ninja Of Chaos
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Like you said...there is an easy way to make sure that doesn't happen. Those cops that didn't do anything should come out and say what the others did.
Lead poisoning didn't work. Preexisting neck and spinal injuries weren't believable. Maybe if we say a van destroyed his back and specifically targeted his neck due to him not being buckled in, maybe just maybe we'll get off Scott free.
Even this explanation, as damning as it is already, doesn't make much sense to me.
Trojita
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If they aren't going to buckle in people because of fear of being attacked, it sounds like they need a better system that auto buckles.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is also a way to punish the arrested. "Oh you gave me trouble? Time for you to jump around this metal cage".
I wouldn't be surprised if it is also a way to punish the arrested. "Oh you gave me trouble? Time for you to jump around this metal cage".
Of course it is. This city has settled several lawsuits related to the practice of giving prisoners a "rough ride" by not strapping them in and driving erratically to cause injury.
Gordon Shumway
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I'm thinking The Avengers will be played out in the streets tonight, rather than theaters..be safe out there, BmoreGAF.
gutter_trash
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shit, I was thinking of MKX too when I first read this news story about self inflicted vertebrae fracture
chronos4590
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sigh... smh. I swear you'd think us black people are freaking magical beings that cause our own deaths when near police or something.
i dont understand how these police and departments can live with themselves in taking at least some form of responsibility.
i dont understand how these police and departments can live with themselves in taking at least some form of responsibility.
ISWThunder
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There seems to be no other outcome at this point. No way to definitively prove that he was injured before transport. The police admit to forgetting to buckle him in, and apologize for that. They take the minor punishment for their slip up, despite it resulting in death in their own narrative, and life goes on with history writing this off as a criminal that accidentally got more than he deserved.
Omegasquash
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I'm afraid of this as well. What are the odds that they'll be cracking down on that curfew hard tonight?
NullPointer
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He died from injuries sustained while being in the back of that van. So this article does seem to be about clearing the first cops at the scene rather than removing culpability from the police altogether.
I don't understand how the entire nation doesn't mind this happening.
Simply Sarah
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Honestly, even if this nonsense is somehow the truth then the cops are still responsible. He would have been in their custody at the time and therefore they would have been responsible for his safety.
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I don't see how the 2nd prisoner's story is relevant (assuming that is their actual story, there are conflicting reports saying Gray was quiet by that time).
They weren't there for the arrest, they weren't there in the van until later, they couldn't see him. Gray had pleaded for medical attention... the opposite of trying to hurt himself.
A witness says the police had their knees on his neck and back during the arrest. That could be when the initial injury occurred. Then they cuffed and shackled him, but left him unbuckled in the van. It is plausible that it was a combination of damaging his spine during the arrest and then giving him a "rough ride" that caused the fatal injury.
And they are culpable for that, if so. It's not "oops, that was an accident." In that scenario, they intentionally put knees to his neck, intentionally refused to get him medical attention, intentionally gave him a rough ride.
They weren't there for the arrest, they weren't there in the van until later, they couldn't see him. Gray had pleaded for medical attention... the opposite of trying to hurt himself.
A witness says the police had their knees on his neck and back during the arrest. That could be when the initial injury occurred. Then they cuffed and shackled him, but left him unbuckled in the van. It is plausible that it was a combination of damaging his spine during the arrest and then giving him a "rough ride" that caused the fatal injury.
And they are culpable for that, if so. It's not "oops, that was an accident." In that scenario, they intentionally put knees to his neck, intentionally refused to get him medical attention, intentionally gave him a rough ride.
I mean to do that much damage you'd probably be driving like a maniac. At the very least we probably have:
- Cameras in police vans
- Suspect restraints in moving vehicles
- Acceleration logging on police vehicles
as actionable items. I think that's a good start and people should ask for these things, because even they probably couldn't disagree with it based on this story.
Omegasquash
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Yup. This way though they don't get called up on murder charges. Just negligence or something else ridiculous that probably will let them keep their jobs.
God DAMN, man.
Gordon Shumway
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Guaranteed, brother..I'd be afraid to be out there tonight. They'll be on "expect the worst" mode. Heads tend to get cracked in that mode..
Shyakugaun
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The same guy who said he was trying to insure himself said Gray was quiet, as told by the police commissioner.
https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/591401433725014017
The whole takedown is here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...timore-Police-Washington-Post-on-Freddie-Gray
https://twitter.com/jemillerwbal/status/591401433725014017
The whole takedown is here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...timore-Police-Washington-Post-on-Freddie-Gray
NullPointer
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The current and best theory so far was that it was magic. Possibly an ancient Gypsy curse.
The alternative is just too unlikely in comparison.
shadowsdarknes
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So he wasn't injured during the arrest, but after? Sounds like a beating afterwards.
It is relevant cause it could help nail down the time line of when the injury actually occurred.
To me, it is a clear case of a) it happened during the apprehension (which video supports) or b) it happened in the van due to the police failing to follow proper transport procedure.
No you see Freddie snapped his own neck on purpose. Has nothing to do with driving down those smooth, pothole free roads of Baltimore where the cops are SURE to drive extra careful with you in the back.
Trojita
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There was an unaccounted for 4th stop that the police didn't report to the investigators.
They are separating the video-taped arrest and the time while he was in the van, which is stupid since it is all the same arrest. It's a terrible way to word things and click baitish.
DoktorEvil
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In light of what's going on, I call into question the validity of the state medical examiner.
There should be 2-3 more examinations by independent parties that do not receive a paycheck from the City of Baltimore and does not have a bias in performing the duties of his/her job in favor of the police/government.
Is it too late to have independent MIs produce autopsy reports?
There should be 2-3 more examinations by independent parties that do not receive a paycheck from the City of Baltimore and does not have a bias in performing the duties of his/her job in favor of the police/government.
Is it too late to have independent MIs produce autopsy reports?
Crimson_Gold
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He's already been buried. So...probably
Nothing is going to change because not enough white people give a shit.
A whole lot of people too busy blaming black people for every damn thing that happens to them, and acting as if police officers don't have the responsibility to make good logical and moral decisions like everyone else.
JinjoUnchained
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It's believed that this is how Liberian dictator Samuel Doe died. Tortured/mutilated within an inch of his life and then thrown in a cell where bashed his head against the wall so the captors couldn't kill him first.
There would have to be some very extreme circumstances for someone to pull this off.
Trojita
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Definitely should have had a second non-bias examiner check him. Reminds me of the Michael Brown shooting where the incompetent medical examiner claims his camera ran out of battery.
I don't think there is such thing as a truly independent medical examiner. Every trial I've ever watched with independent medical examiners have had their integrity questioned to some extent.
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