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[Invisible_Insane]

I agree, but even Kerry almost won if not for some votes in Ohio. Romney has an EC path to 270, as others have pointed out. While it's true the electorate won't look like it did in Nov 2010, it certainly won't look as it did in Nov 08 when tons of young people and blacks turned out to vote. They have no reason to show up this time. Nor do Hispanics.

"I voted for Barack Obama because he was black. Is he still black?" -Larry Wilmore

 

[Chichikov]

No, but I heard it's not about a cop or a dog.

It's not cop or a dog.
It's a cop dog.
Who also happen to be a ghost.

And no, I'm not joking.

This is something I've thought about a lot. It seems as though most of the attacks that were leveled against PPACA wouldn't have gotten any traction if we'd simply taken the parsimonious and easy-to-understand tack of saying, "let's give Medicare to everyone." And we would have gotten much better results for it.

Obama just didn't want to get Harry and Louised by the health insurance industry.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

Obama just didn't want to get Harry and Louised by the health insurance industry.

It just seems like it would be a lot harder to demagogue something everyone is already familiar with.

 

[mckmas8808]

Nope. And well said.


This is something I've thought about a lot. It seems as though most of the attacks that were leveled against PPACA wouldn't have gotten any traction if we'd simply taken the parsimonious and easy-to-understand tack of saying, "let's give Medicare to everyone." And we would have gotten much better results for it.

And you think the country wouldn't have called that a government take over?

 

[GhaleonEB]

Early years? I'd say we have pretty much had a lost decade already . . . . it will just continue.

True. I was referring to post-recession.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

And you think the country wouldn't have called that a government take over?

Depends on the salesmanship. They could call it a government takeover, but given the popularity of the existing institution, I'm not sure it would have been as effective a charge. I think there's definitely a way of framing it that insulates it from that specific criticism.

 

[Appleman]

I could be totally off base here, but why is this debate about cutting spending OR increasing revenue? Why not some of both? It seems like Obama has conceded to some spending cuts, so why is it unfair to ask the other side the same?

Of course, common sense and politics don't often go hand in hand....

 

[Chichikov]

It just seems like it would be a lot harder to demagogue something everyone is already familiar with.

I agree.
I didn't say it was a smart decision...

 

[Cyan]

I could be totally off base here, but why is this debate about cutting spending OR increasing revenue? Why not some of both?

The short version:

 

[PhoenixDark]

The short version:

que? Reagan raised taxes and lowered spending in his deals

 

[Invisible_Insane]

que? Reagan raised taxes and lowered spending in his deals

Not in the minds of most Republicans, which is really all that matters.

 

[Dan]

No tax increases and/or lowering taxes is the Republican religion.

 

[Chichikov]

I could be totally off base here, but why is this debate about cutting spending OR increasing revenue? Why not some of both? It seems like Obama has conceded to some spending cuts, so why is it unfair to ask the other side the same?

Because practically all the republican lawmakers signed that retarded Norquist pledge.
So increasing revenue is off the table for them.

Which is why they came up with weird shit like the McConnel's plan.

 

[speculawyer]

que? Reagan raised taxes and lowered spending in his deals

Yeah . . . as pointed out above, it isn't Reagan . . . it is the mythological Saint Reagan. A collection of apocryphal stories about Reagan. The truth is not at a relevant.

Wouldn't it be nice if you really could always cut taxes and that would raise revenue? Well, many just will themselves to believe it. They also believe that Iraq had WMDs, climate change is a liberal hoax, drilling in ANWR will solve our energy issues, torture was critical in tracking down Bin Laden, cutting government spending will save the economy, and whole host of other unproven but more desirable for them than reality things.

 

[polyh3dron]

que? Reagan raised taxes and lowered spending in his deals

don't tell that to republicans

 

[SomeDude]

secession soon

 

[Appleman]

Because practically all the republican lawmakers signed that retarded Norquist pledge.
So increasing revenue is off the table for them.

Which is why they came up with weird shit like the McConnel's plan.

Ugh, I know. I hate this whole special interest group thing (and also the GOP for signing a pledge against increasing revenue).

 

[polyh3dron]

Because practically all the republican lawmakers signed that retarded Norquist pledge.
So increasing revenue is off the table for them.

the motherfucker's name is Grover

who the fuck names their son Grover

the fact that he has a retarded name like Grover should invalidate all those contracts for fuck's sake

i mean, GROVER

 

[Invisible_Insane]

the motherfucker's name is Grover

who the fuck names their son Grover

the fact that he has a retarded name like Grover should invalidate all those contracts for fuck's sake

i mean, GROVER.

You'd think a dude named Grover would have the decency to be blue.

 

[speculawyer]

the motherfucker's name is Grover

who the fuck names their son Grover

the fact that he has a retarded name like Grover should invalidate all those contracts for fuck's sake

i mean, GROVER

Me thinks you are too hard on that name!

 

[NullPointer]

secession soon

You really are a broken record. A very, very broken record.

 

[Clevinger]

secession soon

If it gets you to stop posting, I'm all for it.

 

[zero_suit]

secession soon

Is the South racist?

 

[NullPointer]

My local militia group isn't planning on seceding until 2014, when Obamacare really shoves itself down our throats. Also gives us time to regain our numbers after that mini-rapture in May.

 

[Invisible_Insane]

My local militia group isn't planning on seceding until 2014, when Obamacare really shoves itself down our throats. Also gives us time to regain our numbers after that mini-rapture in May.

Now That's What I Call Conservatism, Volume MMXI

 

[Dan]

Romney is getting a lot of bad press in Mass.

Story:
There is a facility near the harbor that has been running a day camp for underprivileged kids (literacy + tennis) for years and years.

For all these years, parents have used a nearby parking lot for loading/unloading because the street is narrow. Basically, 15 minutes a day. No parking, just drop-off and pick-up. The owner of the lot has always allowed this.

Romney comes in, rents an office for his campaign and...

After complaints all around Romney says...

No.

http://www.universalhub.com/2011/romney-campaign-parents-take-hike#new

To be fair though, the owner of the lot must have caved to Romney's campaign, right? Why'd the owner give Romney's crew control over who enters the lot?

 

[Cyan]

From the NotW thread: Fox and Friends reacts to 9/11 hacking.

It's times like these I really miss the :lol.

 

[Chichikov]

i mean, GROVER

Good point.
But you know, it's all relative.

To be fair though, the owner of the lot must have caved to Romney's campaign, right? Why'd the owner give Romney's crew control over who enters the lot?

To be really fair, Romney most likely had nothing to do with it personally.

From the NotW thread: Fox and Friends reacts to 9/11 hacking.

It's times like these I really miss the :lol.

I also think it's a crying shame that no one talks about how Lizzie Borden hacked her parents to death.

 

[Jackson50]

the motherfucker's name is Grover

who the fuck names their son Grover

the fact that he has a retarded name like Grover should invalidate all those contracts for fuck's sake

i mean, GROVER

Hey, mang. Show some respect. RIP

So why is he performing well already in polls against Obama, raising good money, and avoiding mistakes (for the most part..)? Considering the economy's decline, the WH is basically Romney's to lose. If he wins the primary he wins next November, unless the economy takes a magical turn for the better.

Romney has respectable prospects. Dismissing his candidacy, as many are, is unfounded. I do not think he is a political Juggernaut, but he is competent. If he is nominated, he will present a challenge. He is a conventional partisan that mostly conforms to the party's orthodoxy. Yet he has not said or done anything too malodorous that will alienate moderates. Again, dismissing Romney is unfounded.

Similarly, I disagree with the notion that the election is his to lose-or any Republican, for that matter. It will not take a magical turn for Obama to win. It would take a magical turn to ensure his reelection. The economy is improving, but the growth is inconsistent. Thus, the election forecasts to be close; currently, at least.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

the motherfucker's name is Grover

who the fuck names their son Grover

the fact that he has a retarded name like Grover should invalidate all those contracts for fuck's sake

i mean, GROVER

"Some day I will be better remembered."
Grover Cleveland

Some more great Grover quotes:

"Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote. The relative positions to be assumed by man and woman in the working out of our civilization were assigned long ago by a higher intelligence than ours."

"Though the people support the government; the government should not support the people."

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

secession soon

I don't mean to be rude but do you have some type of mental handicap? It's the only thing that I could come to that would explain your inability to discuss anything else but secession.

 

[sc0la]

Early years? I'd say we have pretty much had a lost decade already . . . . it will just continue.

Lost Generation...

And I don't mean people who like JJ Abrams

 

[polyh3dron]

Hey, mang. Show some respect. RIP

mad respek but come on he's from a different era where grover was a cool name

they had all types of crazy names back then that were acceptable

 

[Dan]

To be really fair, Romney most likely had nothing to do with it personally.

Oh I know that. That's why I only referred to his campaign, not himself directly.

 

[sc0la]

secession soon

The new secessionist craze is to add new states to the union!
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/14/california.secession/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The South

Spoiler

California

will rise again!

From the NotW thread: Fox and Friends reacts to 9/11 hacking.

It's times like these I really miss the :lol.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "Really guys this happened ten years ago, in LONDON, and the the CEO said sorry. Let's put thus behind us!" also SMH at lack of full disclosure on who Fox parent company is

Lol at "Martians landing again" sounded like it had happened before.

 

[Cyan]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "Really guys this happened ten years ago, in LONDON, and the the CEO said sorry. Let's put thus behind us!" also SMH at lack of full disclosure on who Fox parent company is

Lol at "Martians landing again" sounded like it had happened before.

"The real question is, are people piling on too much?" Lawdy.

Really reminded me of the apology to BP.

Also, to quote BR, "I would rather laugh than cry." If you've got a choice, choose laughter.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Republicans don't even really give a rat's ass about taxes or spending, it's all about, "shrinking government".

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Republicans don't even really give a rat's ass about taxes or spending, it's all about, "shrinking government".

Democrats don't even really give a rat's ass about taxes or spending, it's all about, "growing government".
So?

 

[sc0la]

Also, to quote BR, "I would rather laugh than cry." If you've got a choice, choose laughter.

Good point. Advice taken

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Democrats don't even really give a rat's ass about taxes or spending, it's all about, "growing government".
So?

lolz.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Democrats don't even really give a rat's ass about taxes or spending, it's all about, "growing government".
So?

And false equivalency rears its ugly head yet again.

 

[besada]

secession soon

I would like to punch you in the brain, but I can't seem to find yours.

who the fuck names their son Grover

Eric Cantor's parents made his middle name Ivan. In the sixties. In the middle of the cold war. Obama should continually refer to him as Eric Ivan Cantor.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I would like to punch you in the brain, but I can't seem to find yours.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

And false equivalency rears its ugly head yet again.

Do you really stand by that statement?

 

[Baraka in the White House]

Do you really stand by that statement?

Are you suggesting that in the past few decades it has NOT been both a stated and implied goal of Republican/conservative policy to, "get government out of the way"?

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Are you suggesting that in the past few decades it has NOT been both a stated and implied goal of Republican/conservative policy to, "get government out of the way"?

Sure they want to shrink a lot of government's reach. But not when it comes to things like national defense- And (unfortunately) prying into personal business where government doesn't belong.

 

[worldrunover]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. "Really guys this happened ten years ago, in LONDON, and the the CEO said sorry. Let's put thus behind us!" also SMH at lack of full disclosure on who Fox parent company is

Lol at "Martians landing again" sounded like it had happened before.

The worst part is they were trying to make it seem like this hacking scandal is part of a larger global hacking phenomenon. I can't even fathom how that makes any sense. To anyone.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I could be totally off base here, but why is this debate about cutting spending OR increasing revenue? Why not some of both? It seems like Obama has conceded to some spending cuts, so why is it unfair to ask the other side the same?

Of course, common sense and politics don't often go hand in hand....

It is about both. Democrats are proposing both, Republicans only want cuts.

 

[mckmas8808]

The worst part is they were trying to make it seem like this hacking scandal is part of a larger global hacking phenomenon. I can't even fathom how that makes any sense. To anyone.

So that's why my tea partying co-worker was trying to make it seem like other media companies do this all the time and it wasn't a big deal.

Hell he even said it shouldn't be called hacking because all they did was push 4 digits over and over until they found out the person's pin number. He even blamed the cell phone companies for making it so easy to figure out someone's voice mail pin number.

And yes he even stated that this is only a big story because all of the media companies are targeting News Corp because Ailes has made Fox News so good to combat the liberal left media in America.

 

[besada]

Hell he even said it shouldn't be called hacking because all they did was push 4 digits over and over until they found out the person's pin number.

When the real hacking laws came into effect in '87, that's about how difficult everyone's security was. Didn't stop Operation Sundevil from targeting phreakers, confiscating their systems, and charging them.