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PoliGAF 2011: Of Weiners, Boehners, Santorum, and Teabags

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eznark said:
I think if he does enter my mind changes significantly on the ease of Obama's victory (as of now, I still think he beats him, but tight race). Perry is going to have a ridiculous amount of money to spend on the campaign. Those Texas boosters go freaking nuts. Plus, the national papers already ran their dirt on the execution thing, unless there is more to it I don't see that being a factor. He apparently loves God and talks like a preacher, I don't think the country is yet at the point where those are absolute negatives.

It'd be halfway decent if a Presidential campaign actually came down to positions for once.
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It certainly becomes a tougher race for Obama. The money portion of it alone assures that. In addition, Perry is a skilled politician. He knows exactly how far to go to appease the base, and how to then turn around and court moderate Republicans (hint: it involves money). I don't think the Willingham case will have national legs that matter to the election, and he's been fighting off the gay rumors for more than a decade now without anyone coming forward.

His biggest problem with Republicans is going to be the Trans Texas Corridor, which was a huge land-grab and also a dismal failure and waste of state resources. Not to mention that his desire to build trains puts him on the opposite side of the debate from the rest of his crew.

And someone will make hash out of the vaccine mandate. I'm guessing it will be Bachmann, because it's right up her alley. "Rick Perry forced little girls to protect their vaginas from disease! He's a socialist pedophile!"

Honestly, I think he's waiting on the results of his back surgery before jumping in. It's supposedly routine, but no one wants to start their campaign slugging down Vicodin in constant pain. Assuming he recovers nicely, I think we'll get an announcement by the end of July.

Edit: I have to admit that there was a tiny part of me that wanted the TTC to come to fruition. Mostly the part that would love high-speed rail between DFW and Austin, but also the part that loves a giant, ugly disaster cutting through the heart of a state. The plans were really outrageous. It would have been like something out of Mad Max.
 
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mckmas8808 said:
But right now they aren't even at 18%. That's the problem. The last time I looked they were at 16% or so.
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sure but that's most probably due to the economic down turn. Let's start cutting the budget to closer to the historical average and see what happens when the economy actually bounces back. Revenues are down historically right now, but spending is ALSO at a historic high. I'm not saying there is a direct connection but you can only do so much about revenue levels, you have pretty direct control over how much you choose to spend and how you spend the money you do.
 
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Dinokill said:
I wast driving home from college and I found this car sticker

http://imageshack.us/f/708/photogwj.jpg/

So much for nationalism and your are driving a Japanese car.
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They've got that rationalized. American cars are built by dirty socialist union workers whereas these Japanese cars are build by non union American workers.


Never mind that the extra profits made by squeezing these American workers helps pay for the union workers back in Toyota Japan.
 
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besada

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Kosmo said:
FYI, we already burned through that 30 million barrels of oil today - it was projected to last 1/2 a day.
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Since they're releasing a million barrels a day for thirty days, I can only assume you're keeping up your streak of not knowing what you're talking about. And we (I presume you meant the U.S) use closer to twenty million barrels of oil a day than thirty (and certainly not the sixty you implied).
 
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Moody’s: Political Ad Revenue To Smash Records In 2012
David Taintor | June 23, 2011, 1:10PM



The 2012 election season promises to be a boon for broadcasters.

Moody's Investment Services predicts political advertising revenues will grow 9 percent to 18 percent above the record-breaking 2010 election levels, according to a report released Tuesday.

Moody's describes the "near-perfect political storm" of 2012:

No one loves a good political brawl like a US broadcast company. The fiercer the fight, the more money broadcasters can expect from campaign advertising--particularly in an era when political rhetoric grows more heated every day. There are good political years, and then there are years like 2012, when speculative-grade, pure-play television broadcasters expect an unprecedented frenzy of political advertising amid an intense battle for control of both the White House and a closely divided Congress.
The Supreme Court's ruling on Citizens United -- opening the flood gates for corporate political spending -- will "show viewers a barrage of campaign ads," the report says.

Television broadcasters will attract the most political advertising, according to the report, but other media will also see record revenue from the election.

Swing states, of course, will be hot ad markets, as will Washington D.C., Boston and Las Vegas, according to the report. For a taste of TPM's favorite political ads of 2010, check out these "TPM Approved Messages."
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This crap is so terrible!
 
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Atramental

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Dinokill said:
I wast driving home from college and I found this car sticker


http://imageshack.us/f/708/photogwj.jpg/


So much for nationalism and your are driving a Japanese car.
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Oh wow.
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I hope I never run into that person in a dark alley.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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Huff said:
NEW YORK -- House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-Va.) decision on Thursday to leave ongoing debt ceiling negotiations seemed to bring those talks to an abrupt standstill. But aides on the Hill and a statement from White House Press Secretary Jay Carney seem to suggest that Cantor's absence means, simply, that the discussions will now get picked up by President Barack Obama and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio).
As the heavier hitters get set to pick up the slack, the contours of a grand bargain are once again emerging, and it may not be to the liking of either party. In exchange for revenue-raisers (most likely in the form of siphoned off tax breaks or the closing of loopholes) Democrats will agree to Medicare cuts -- not on the beneficiary side, which would have produced deafening howls from within the caucus, but on the provider side.
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Sorry, can't link atm.
 
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Bachmann/Obama

RCP Average 5/5 - 6/6 -- 51.0 33.3 Obama +17.7
Reuters/Ipsos 6/3 - 6/6 1132 A 53 33 Obama +20
ABC News/Wash Post 6/2 - 6/5 RV 51 40 Obama +11
Rasmussen Reports 5/5 - 5/6 1000 LV 49 27 Obama +22
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LOL...worst of the bunch.
 
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eznark said:
Weird that so few of those polls have him above 50%. If I took anything from those (outside of how fucking terrible the GOP field is) it's that should a decent candidate emerge Obama should be pretty concerned.
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Huntsman is as decent candidate on paper that the GOP is likely to field this cycle. the problem is that the GOP primary is tilted to reward a crazed base that has little desire to pick a political moderate that just finished serving the Obama administration. Huntsman is measured with his words and seems to have a supreme grasp of policy, especially vis-a-vis China-US relations. that doesn't work for soundbites, and he has little to offer a rabid base fixated between Santorum, Cain, Bacchman and now Perry. i'm also unsure how he can overcome Romney's name recognition at this point.
 
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scorcho said:
Huntsman is as decent candidate on paper that the GOP is likely to field this cycle. the problem is that the GOP primary is tilted to reward a crazed base that has little desire to pick a political moderate that just finished serving the Obama administration. Huntsman is measured with his words and seems to have a supreme grasp of policy, especially vis-a-vis China-US relations. that doesn't work for soundbites, and he has little to offer a rabid base fixated between Santorum, Cain, Bacchman and now Perry. i'm also unsure how he can overcome Romney's name recognition at this point.
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You act like someone who was in the bush administration would be just loved in the democratic primary. Party primaries don't like moderates.
 
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scorcho

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elrechazao said:
You act like someone who was in the bush administration would be just loved in the democratic primary. Party primaries don't like moderates.
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but you realize such a scenario didn't and never could happen under Bush. The administration was pilloried for pushing out career civil servants in favor of partisan cronies, and skewing their hiring practices to reward ideological purity to conservative causes above all else.

not-so-stealth edit: Obama was always a moderate.
 
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LovingSteam said:
Sorry, can't link atm.
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Pure politics. Republicans got what they wanted, which are cuts in spending. Now when it came to negotiate tax increase, they expertly bow out of the committee and want Obama to come in, preferably to take the heat for the inevitable tax increases. This way Cantor and his cronies get to play both sides: they got cuts in spending and opposed increasing taxes, whereas democrats are forced into one side: they cut spending and side with increasing taxes.

Anyone with half a brain can see this. Cantor is a pure, classic partisan hack.
 
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Pelosi Blames Cantor’s Exit On Tax Cut Tantrum
Benjy Sarlin | June 23, 2011, 1:49PM


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Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) attributed Republicans' exit from deficit talks on their refusal to budge on tax cuts and said their intransigence on the issue threatened to derail a deal.

Pelosi and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), the ranking member of the Budget Committee, said at a press conference that they were told of Cantor's exit only after they left a morning meeting at the White House on the debt ceiling vote.

"We left the meeting to find that Leader Cantor had walked out of the meetings....because Democrats want to raise taxes," Pelosi said. "Yes, we do want to remove tax subsidies from big oil, we want to remove tax breaks from corporations that send jobs overseas. That list goes on."
Van Hollen told reporters he was "disappointed" by Cantor's exit, saying the talks "had been proceeding well, although there is no doubt that there were some very difficult issues" that needed to be resolved.

"The reality here is until our Republican colleagues are more concerned about our need to reduce the deficit than they are worried about what Grover Norquist will say, were going to have a really difficult time reducing the deficit," he said.

The DCCC joined in on the "inflexible Republicans" line, sending out a statement saying the GOP "have no interest in compromise."

But House Democrats' account of Cantor's departure raise as many questions as it answers, offering yet another differing version of exactly what is driving the Majority Leader's move.

While Cantor said taxes were the main obstacle to talks, he noted that he and Vice President Joe Biden were making significant progress and indicated that the current sticking points were merely beyond his authority to negotiate without Speaker Boehner's participation. Reading between the lines, the suggestion was that he wasn't blowing up the talks at all -- one might even speculate that Republicans were budging from their no-taxes position, but needed Boehner's approval to clear the way forward forward.

That idea seemed dashed, however, as Boehner doubled down on his anti-tax rhetoric on Thursday, redrawing his party's line in the sand.

But Boehner's intransigence fed into a third possible narrative of a behind-the-scenes power struggle in the House GOP, in which Cantor deliberately is tagging in the Speaker to complete the politically unpopular task of conceding tax increases necessary to secure any major deal. Boehner did little to tamp down speculation over Cantor's move on Thursday, offering a less then enthusiastic response to a reporter's question on whether he supported the decision. Asked by TPM about the timing of Cantor's exit, a spokesman for Boehner did not address whether he had been informed of the decision prior to its announcement.
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This shit is starting to make my head hurt. Lets make a deal and get past this debt crap. Geez.
 
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It would be pretty funny if Perry were elected. Would really drive home the idea that Americans have a stupidly short attention span.
 
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thekad said:
It would be pretty funny if Perry were elected. Would really drive home the idea that Americans have a stupidly short attention span.
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Don't worry. Perry's too closely linked to Bush for him to win.
 
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So Cantor walked out eh? Let me guess, something to the effect of,

"Hey, we're all going to have to make sacrifices here. And by, 'all', I mean middle class people and by, 'sacrifices' I mean go fuck yourself."
 
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scorcho said:
Huntsman is as decent candidate on paper
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Problem is the whole "public speaking" thing that politicians need to be decent at.

How can a guy who has agitated for secession run for president of the USA?
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But....he didn't do that at all. Sooo, no problem there, I guess? Unless there was more than just the if shit keeps going like it is secession starts to look appealing stuff he was saying. I haven't read anywhere that he ever directly pushed for secession.
 
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eznark said:
But....he didn't do that at all. Sooo, no problem there, I guess? Unless there was more than just the if shit keeps going like it is secession starts to look appealing stuff he was saying. I haven't read anywhere that he ever directly pushed for secession.
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THat doesn't really matter if the media makes it stick (I don't think they will with this though). Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. Gore never said he invented the internet.
 
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Dude Abides said:
THat doesn't really matter if the media makes it stick (I don't think they will with this though). Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. Gore never said he invented the internet.
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It's all about the "narrative" the media builds around a candidate. If it fits the narrative, it sticks.
 
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eznark

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Dude Abides said:
THat doesn't really matter if the media makes it stick (I don't think they will with this though). Palin never said she could see Russia from her house. Gore never said he invented the internet.
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Outside of internet cesspools like this one, I haven't heard it brought up much. Of course, he isn't in the ring yet, either.
 
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eznark said:
Outside of internet cesspools like this one, I haven't heard it brought up much. Of course, he isn't in the ring yet, either.
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ez, ez. You do us disservice.

There are no internet cesspools quite like this one.
 
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eznark said:
Outside of internet cesspools like this one, I haven't heard it brought up much. Of course, he isn't in the ring yet, either.
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Google Rick Perry and the autocomplete recommends "Rick Perry Secession". If he is googlebombed like Santorum (first search for santorum shows a website with the definition of santorum), he will be tagged with secession in no time. We always have this to go back to:
"There's a lot of different scenarios," Perry said. "We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot."
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So I have a question if anyone would be so kind as to guide me in a direction that would be helpful. Currently I am attempting to dip my toes into the deep waters of politics so that I may have a better understanding of all of the major happenings going on both on a domestic, and global scale. Much of my youth i've never really payed much attention to politics for numberous reasons but mostly because with all of the back stabbing, double talking, and flat out lying that many politicians do for obvious reasons it can be quite a bit confusing as to where to even start looking for some real answers to anything.

As crazy as I suppose it may sound i'm not even entirely sure where I stand on the Demo/Rep sides issue, mainly because I see issues on both sides where I agree with one over the other, but on a seperate issues I lean the other direction.

Really I just want to get informed and am hoping someone might be able to point me to some places where I can help myself do so. Thanks in advance for any suggestion advice given.
 
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eznark said:
Outside of internet cesspools like this one, I haven't heard it brought up much. Of course, he isn't in the ring yet, either.
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That's why it won't hurt him. Only despicable leftists like those who hang out in PoliGAF even know about it. The gay rumors, though, sound like something the lamestream media might like to titter about.
 
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ReaperXL07 said:
Really I just want to get informed and am hoping someone might be able to point me to some places where I can help myself do so. Thanks in advance for any suggestion advice given.
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Print media would be a good place to start (and stop). New York Times, Washington Post (though their editorial blows), The Economist. BBC News, PBS, and NPR for TV and radio stuff.
 
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Clevinger said:
Print media would be a good place to start (and stop). New York Times, Washington Post (though their editorial blows), The Economist. BBC News, PBS, and NPR for TV and radio stuff.
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Looks like you found your first victim.
 
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Clevinger said:
Print media would be a good place to start (and stop). New York Times, Washington Post (though their editorial blows), The Economist. BBC News, PBS, and NPR for TV and radio stuff.
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The Economist, IMO, is probably the best out of those.
 
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Macam

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TacticalFox88 said:
The Economist, IMO, is probably the best out of those.
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The Economist is quality stuff, but they're not wholly consistent a lot of the time either. I think the sources provided in full are actually top notch and I'd recommend them all (being mindful to largely steer clear of editorials).

In terms of PBS specifically, Washington Week is a good weekly program that does a good job summing up the week in politics; it's not exciting material, but it's so neutral, it's dry.
 
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