PoliGAF Jan 26 Debate/Florida Primary Topic

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The two party system is broken. I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a plurality voting system.

There is this website called WikiPedia...

I don't trust Wikipedia. For stuff I'm knowledgeable about I often go there and see plenty of exaggerated things.

Dude. Just Google CIA involvment and Latin America during the Cold War.

Alright.

EDIT - What's GAF's consensus on the film "South of the Border"? Looks interesting and search brings up nothing.
 
The Democrats didn't oppose ANWR because of some principled belief. It's because it would be a boon to an area that is largely Republican.

Bahahaha. And this from a guy who loves to take "liberals" to task for so much as questioning the motives of Republicans. Fucking pathetic.
 
it's not just during the Cold War, it proceeds even before hand in the late 19th century and early 20th century about US involvement in Latin America

AT&T, United Fruit Company blablabla
 
I don't trust Wikipedia. For stuff I'm knowledgeable about I often go there and see plenty of exaggerated things.



Alright.

Wikipedia is neither trustworthy nor untrustworthy, accuracy in an article, like all articles everywhere should be verified by further research using the citations provided to you by the author.
 
Wikipedia is neither trustworthy nor untrustworthy, accuracy in an article, like all articles everywhere should be verified by further research using the citations provided to you by the author.

Pretty much. Not to mention GAFers have family and friends regarding real-world experiences. I found it odd that people jumped on me with the Vietnam thread because I got people discussing and PMing me about their family members and their involvement and lives in South Vietnam.

it's not just during the Cold War, it proceeds even before hand in the late 19th century and early 20th century about US involvement in Latin America

AT&T, United Fruit Company blablabla

Yeah I've heard of the UFC. Horrible stuff.
 
Gingrich is not taking his debate loss well.

First, he's now calling Romney's performance the "most blatantly dishonest performance by a presidential candidate I’ve ever seen."

Then, his campaign is saying that the GOP stacked the crowd with Romney fans.

This guy is a massive douche and a slimeball.
 
Gingrich is not taking his debate loss well.

First, he's now calling Romney's performance the "most blatantly dishonest performance by a presidential candidate I’ve ever seen."

Then, his campaign is saying that the GOP stacked the crowd with Romney fans.

This guy is a massive douche and a slimeball
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Indeed. As amusing as Newt's run has been, I admit I'm enjoying watching him flameout. It was pretty much inevitable.
 
Gingrich is not taking his debate loss well.

First, he's now calling Romney's performance the "most blatantly dishonest performance by a presidential candidate I’ve ever seen."

Then, his campaign is saying that the GOP stacked the crowd with Romney fans.

This guy is a massive douche and a slimeball.

Poor guy, he must not have seen the tapes of his own debates.
 
You're right, my point does remain, The Democrats whiffed twice (and possibly three times if you count Carter) on true Universal Health Care.
 
So if Newt really does have a meltdown, this will be the third(?) time he's gone from frontrunner to the back of the pack?

I'd say it was the third meltdown with the caveat that his first campaign meltdown (When everyone quit and a bunch went over to Perry's camp) happened without him ever really being in the lead.
 
Even if Newt loses in Florida, he still has a chance of making some noise in other states. The caveat being that Santorum needs to drop out.


I saw a recent poll, from some small group, that put him within single digits of Romney in Michigan.
 
You're right, my point does remain, The Democrats whiffed twice (and possibly three times if you count Carter) on true Universal Health Care.

A whiff? It set the groundwork, and for most reasonable people, that was enough for now. It was certainly a victory achieved with good will, in spite of a political process that makes enacting such a far reaching legislation a nearly impossible task in the face of such rabid opposition. I haven't seen your guys come close to doing something significant for the people like that.
 
Can you post or PM me some information about what the US did to Latin America?


I'd be very interested.

You can start with the US splitting Colombia in two, for the express purpose of corporate and military profiteering. Its why we have McCain.

CIA? Look at Chile with Allende - > Pinochet
US Corporations? Look at the fruit companies and central america
Actual war? Look at Grenada.
Attempted coups? Castro and Chavez

The list goes on. And on. And on. And on.



Then, his campaign is saying that the GOP stacked the crowd with Romney fans..

Newt: "I refuse to debate if the audience can't participate"
*debates*
Newt: "Fuuuuuuck the audience!"



Although I do think CNN did have it out for him because of the King incident. The questions were sort of stacked against him, and Wolf actually called him out more than once. You could see how unsteady that made him.
 
Funny how bad Newt combusted at the debate. Romney was still as crappy as ever, but Newt was even worse - which is hilarious.

This crowd of candidates is just the most inconsistent in history, probably
 
Newt: "I refuse to debate if the audience can't participate"
*debates*
Newt: "Fuuuuuuck the audience!"



Although I do think CNN did have it out for him because of the King incident. The questions were sort of stacked against him, and Wolf actually called him out more than once. You could see how unsteady that made him.

Agreed, but I'm glad they did it. Blitzer was ready and it made Gingrich look like a fool.

Still, though, I thought the biggest damage to Gingrich was when he accused Romney of having stock in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as if it was a bad thing and then Romney turned it right back around on him, saying he did the same thing. All Newt could respond with was, "Yeah."
 
Newt is the type of person you would never ever want to have a beer with. He's arrogant, sleezy, and an asshole. Now Ron Paul OTH, seeing him drunk and listening him talk libertarianism would be a HOOT.
 
I can't believe the woman in red who asked a question on Latin American, and their left-leaning governments, implying that we should do something to promote free market democracy.

HOLY SHIT some people are batshit insane. Our government has meddled in those countries in the past, and we royally fucked up big time. People like her are scary.
Apparently, engagement entails either subversion or intervention. Otherwise, it's appeasement. It's a fairly disingenuous and puerile method of foreign policy. Moreover, Santorum's overwrought diatribe on Obama's Latin American policy was the most noisome moment in a debate replete with them.
Should have clarified, I meant in the general.
Right. And with good reason. Debates are less consequential in the general election because the preponderance of voters make partisan decisions. But in the primary election where every candidate is from the same party, they cannot rely on that heuristic. Thus, debates, advertisements, and, most importantly, elite support are useful signals for voters.
 
Apparently, engagement entails either subversion or intervention. Otherwise, it's appeasement. It's a fairly disingenuous and puerile method of foreign policy. Moreover, Santorum's overwrought diatribe on Obama's Latin American policy was the most noisome moment in a debate replete with them.Right. And with good reason. Debates are less consequential in the general election because the preponderance of voters make partisan decisions. But in the primary election where every candidate is from the same party, they cannot rely on that heuristic. Thus, debates, advertisements, and, most importantly, elite support are useful signals for voters.

By "elite support" who are you referring to?
 
A whiff? It set the groundwork, and for most reasonable people, that was enough for now. It was certainly a victory achieved with good will, in spite of a political process that makes enacting such a far reaching legislation a nearly impossible task in the face of such rabid opposition. I haven't seen your guys come close to doing something significant for the people like that.

The groundwork is definitely laid for a state by state transition. If CA doens't fuck up, the rest of the country will follow within a decade.
 
Why doesn't Sarah Palin officially announce her support for Newt if she truly wants him to win the nomination? Newt needs support and she could boost his numbers heading into the Florida primary or at least put a stop to his current slide.
 
Why doesn't Sarah Palin officially announce her support for Newt if she truly wants him to win the nomination? Newt needs support and she could boost his numbers heading into the Florida primary or at least put a stop to his current slide.

Palin hasn't been relevant for months, her endorsement wouldn't have any measurable effect.
 
Palin hasn't been relevant for months, her endorsement wouldn't have any measurable effect.

I'm not so sure about that. I think she has supporters who would listen to her/support Newt if she came out for him. She hasn't pushed for much of a presence in the media lately outside of fox news but if she and Newt wanted to, they could get a big splash out of her endorsement. But I'm not sure how relevant it would be to Florida primary voters.
 
I'm not so sure about that. I think she has supporters who would listen to her/support Newt if she came out for him. She hasn't pushed for much of a presence in the media lately outside of fox news but if she and Newt wanted to, they could get a big splash out of her endorsement. But I'm not sure how relevant it would be to Florida primary voters.

Pretty sure her supporters are largely the people jumping from one NotRomney to the next in the first place. Palin pretty much fell off the face of the Earth as soon as Bachmann rose to prominence.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-obama-boost/2011/03/04/gIQARh49VQ_blog.html

Presidents talk a good game about improving the economy and helping business. But we end this week learning that President Obama has proven to be a one-man economic engine. Well, only if you’re a rude governor of a border state or a legendary soul singer.

Turns out, the now-infamous confrontation between Gov. Jan Brewer (R-Ariz.) and the president has done wonders for sales of her book “Scorpions for Breakfast.” According to Amazon.com, sales have gone up 200 percent over the last 24 hours. Last night, Brewer’s book ranked 21 in sales. It’s now No. 7.

Meanwhile, Al Green literally got a shout-out from Obama at the Apollo Theater in Harlem last week.

According to Billboard.com, Obama’s little soul-stirring performance of Green’s classic “Let’s Stay Together” resulted in “a 490% weekly sales increase for the song.” Amazing. If only the economy as a whole would respond as well to Obama’s boosting.

Heh
 
Man, this idea of supply side just seems so old school.

Give the means and power to the rich people so they can further control where our tax dollars go, effectively giving them control of the country. Great idea...

Also I hate Hollywood. You're so old fashioned that you want to block people instead of evolve? For one thing that will never help you, you're shit won't be bought and secondly you can't control it all and you can't compete in all areas that involve elements of what you do. Give it up, you can never be good enough. No one can, shit moves too fast.
 
Funny how bad Newt combusted at the debate. Romney was still as crappy as ever, but Newt was even worse - which is hilarious.

This crowd of candidates is just the most inconsistent in history, probably

He thought he could shoot the messenger again. Unfortunately for him there is a huge difference between a moderator starting a debate with a personal attack (however justified it may be) and asking a candidate to be consistent during a debate.

Probably everybody on my Facebook that was so proud of her for wagging her finger in the president's face.

I live in a red state. And specifically that asshole Brewer's red state.

Tuscon and the Santa Terasa Mountains more than make up for the shittiness of Brewer.
 
I get the sense that she doesn't want to back a candidate who might lose the nomination.

Her recent Facebook rant is as close to a Newt endorsement we'll get until he starts winning again. My favorite part:
And I question whether the GOP establishment would ever employ the same harsh tactics they used on Newt against Obama. I didn’t see it in 2008. Many of these same characters sat on their thumbs in ‘08 and let Obama escape unvetted. Oddly, they’re now using every available microscope and endoscope – along with rewriting history – in attempts to character assassinate anyone challenging their chosen one in their own party’s primary. So, one must ask, who are they really running against?
 
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