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[ghibli99]

My friend emailed me this morning and in it was a short blurb about Sony requiring devs/pubs to show their games in 1080p HD, outputting via HDMI only.

They said movies/non-interactive content had to be in HD only as well... anyone know if this is true/false?

Anyway, this doesn't surprise me, but figured it was worth sharing for the graphic whores out there. MGS4 and GT5 playables would be a great thing, although I'm not holding my breath.

 

[PhoenixDark]

My friend emailed me this morning and in it was a short blurb about Sony requiring devs/pubs to show their games in 1080p HD, outputting via HDMI only.

They said movies/non-interactive content had to be in HD only as well... anyone know if this is true/false?

Anyway, this doesn't surprise me, but figured it was worth sharing for the graphic whores out there. MGS4 and GT5 playables would be a great thing, although I'm not holding my breath.

How would this effect the framerates of the games though? Or would it not matter?

 

[Ghost]

HDMI only for HD output..maybe, more likely HDCP only (so DVI as well).


Forcing 1080p is a waste imo but im sure a whole bunch of poster are about to go crazy about this.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Some games are being made in 720p so I would have to deny that, unless they are going to show more videos in 1080p...which I doubt.

 

[snatches]

My friend emailed me this morning and in it was a short blurb about Sony requiring devs/pubs to show their games in 1080p HD, outputting via HDMI only.

They said movies/non-interactive content had to be in HD only as well... anyone know if this is true/false?

Anyway, this doesn't surprise me, but figured it was worth sharing for the graphic whores out there. MGS4 and GT5 playables would be a great thing, although I'm not holding my breath.

Bull Shit

with the amount of time devs have had this is either total crap or don't expect anything to be actual gameplay at e3.

 

[gofreak]

How would this effect the framerates of the games though? Or would it not matter?

I reckon they mean scaled to 1080p. On 1080p displays. Doesn't mean they're rendering at 1080p.

It makes sense to insist games are shown on the best displays via the best connections. (Displaying on a 1080p display implies scaling, either on the PS3 or TV side, probably PS3 side).

with the amount of time devs have had

What, about 16+ months?

There'll be playables at E3, I've no doubt about that.

 

[Goreomedy]

 

[ghibli99]

I asked my friend for the source... here's what they sent me, and said it was straight from the PSI newsletter, grammar/formatting errors and all:

PlayStation®3 for E3 purposes:
Code may be shown in 1080 P on HD TV's only, with HDMI quality output.
If non interactive code ( i.e. video) is being shown, it should should also be demonstrated
on HD.

 

[VictimOfGrief]

News is not from Sony, thus not offical. Thanks for trying GAF.

 

[meltpotato]

Forcing 1080p is a waste imo but im sure a whole bunch of poster are about to go crazy about this.

oh come on. this is almost certainly true based on next gen doesnt start until 1080p. They are going to push that as much as they possibly can. You can call it a "waste", but the fact of the matter is, they will lose a lot of face if games arent being shown at 1080p, regardless of ACTUAL difference in image quality.

 

[SolidSnakex]

"PlayStation®3 for E3 purposes:"

See its false, Sony always spells the PS3 like this "PLAYSTATION 3".

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Bull Shit

with the amount of time devs have had this is either total crap or don't expect anything to be actual gameplay at e3.

they've had like over a year now so if they can show any gameplay or a real time demo for some devs. You can bet money on that Sony is gonna aim toshut down all doubts that people have about their system as of recent at E3.

 

[ghibli99]

See its false, Sony always spells the PS3 like this "PLAYSTATION 3".

Oh God, not that again. :lol

 

[gofreak]

Again, I think they're talking about outputting at 1080p, not rendering at 1080p. In the same way MS talks about "outputting" at 720p. I think they will push that, as MS did with 720p.

If you have a 1080p display, PS3 no doubt will be able to scale the image to 1080p for you (and hopefully it does this well). I guess Sony wants publishers to use 1080p screens for their PS3 demos - not very surprising.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I asked my friend for the source... here's what they sent me, and said it was straight from the PSI newsletter, grammar/formatting errors and all:

Gofreak is probably right with his scaling answer and HDMI is no different in picture quality to DVI or Component.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Oh God, not that again. :lol

It's true though

At a press conference held in Los Angeles, California, today, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) revealed the outline of its PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3) computer entertainment system, incorporating the world's most advanced Cell processor with super computer like power.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PressReleases.aspx?id=279

 

[Goreomedy]

Again, I think they're talking about outputting at 1080p, not rendering at 1080p.

Ah.

 

[ghibli99]

Gofreak is probably right with his scaling answer and HDMI is no different in picture quality to DVI or Component.

Agreed... rendering and outputting @ 1080p are two completely different things. Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding in May.

 

[koam]

PlayStation®3 for E3 purposes:
Code may be shown in 1080 P on HD TV's only, with HDMI quality output.
If non interactive code ( i.e. video) is being shown, it should should also be demonstrated
on HD.

keywords are fun

 

[kaching]

What's the PSI newsletter?

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Agreed... rendering and outputting @ 1080p are two completely different things. Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding in May.

Mmmm thats sounds like some tasty pudding

 

[BlueTsunami]

Agreed... rendering and outputting @ 1080p are two completely different things. Anyway, the proof will be in the pudding in May.

If it IS true, what I find interesting is how they make a distinction between interactive and NON interactive demonstrations. So if its to be believed, there will be gameplay demonstrations at E3.

 

[Swat]

I'm guessing that running a game in 1080p will require more resources than the same game running at 720p. Seeing as the majority of HD sets sold over the past few years are 720p/1080i, do you think developers will want to optimize their games for the majority?

Also, unless your nose is pressed against the screen I'm hearing that the difference between 720p and 1080p is minor if at all noticeable. Do we have any a/v geeks here that can confirm or deny this? We're talking regular viewing distance, and true 1080p content (ie. Microsoft WMV-HD, like the Terminator 2 edition).

The reason I'm asking is, I've been holding off on getting another HD set, and if 1080p is truly that much more phenominal (and really, I find 720p to already be amazing) it might be worth the wait.

 

[ghibli99]

It's true though

http://www.us.playstation.com/PressReleases.aspx?id=279

Fine, but does that in itself guarantee that everything that comes out of Sony will be written as such? Just because it's not all caps doesn't mean it's somehow automatically false. It's not a press release, and sounds like it was simply an internal memo to third parties.

If it IS true, what I find interesting is how they make a distinction between interactive and NON interactive demonstrations. So if its to be believed, there will be gameplay demonstrations at E3.

Yep, I sure hope so, too!

 

[Lord Error]

Gofreak is probably right with his scaling answer and HDMI is no different in picture quality to DVI or Component.

He's probably right about the scaling answer (altough I'd imagine nothing is stopping anyone who can make the game run at 1080p smoothly to do so). However, note that HDMI is better picture quality output than component (same quality as DVI though)

 

[Mrbob]

Some games are being made in 720p so I would have to deny that, unless they are going to show more videos in 1080p...which I doubt.

All PS3 games are targetting 720P as the main resolution for gaming. Perhaps some will offer a 1080P mode as well.

Probably will output the video at 1080P.

 

[fse]

All PS3 games are targetting 720P as the main resolution for gaming. Perhaps some will offer a 1080P mode as well.

Probably will output the video at 1080P.

I hear games will be 720p across the board. 1080p native nope, only the game will be upped from 720p so it would look kinda... weird.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

By the way, this article says that Blu-Ray players will limit output resolution if component cables are used. Has there been any word on whether or not this applies to PS3 games as well, or just movies?

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/early_hdtv_adopters_screwed_by_hddisc_rules.html

 

[gofreak]

By the way, this article says that Blu-Ray players will limit output resolution if component cables are used. Has there been any word on whether or not this applies to PS3 games as well, or just movies?

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/early_hdtv_adopters_screwed_by_hddisc_rules.html

Just movies.

 

[Mmmkay]

Just movies using the ICT flag.

Fixed

 

[maximum360]

Scaling is the new blast processing.

PS3 does it better at 1080p.

I'm sure you'll still find a bunch of games this gen (lower tier most likely) that will fall below even the 720p resolution standard and have to be scaled. Sad but true.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

By the way, this article says that Blu-Ray players will limit output resolution if component cables are used. Has there been any word on whether or not this applies to PS3 games as well, or just movies?

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/early_hdtv_adopters_screwed_by_hddisc_rules.html

I thought you had to use HDMI b/c blu ray wouldn't work with component

 

[DSN2K]

Sony were asking alot to get all games at 1080p, maybe a few years down the line you will see PS3/360 titles output at 1080p.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Sony were asking alot to get all games at 1080p, maybe a few years down the line you will see PS3/360 titles output at 1080p.

360 can't do 1080p unless they release a whole different version of the console

 

[gofreak]

I thought you had to use HDMI b/c blu ray wouldn't work with component

It'll work, but movies using ICT (Image Constrain Token) will have resolution limited to 50% more than DVD (IIRC).

 

[Geoff9920]

Why would you require 1080p just so you could limit yourself to 24fps/30fps?

 

[Chittagong]

Well, at least this almost confirms that there is a possibility of playable code or new videos in E3. Which is good, it would have sucked to see the same ones for the fourth time.

 

[gofreak]

Why would you require 1080p just so you could limit yourself to 24fps/30fps?

I don't think you would. According to the HDMI site, all versions of HDMI support 1080p/60 but it's up the manufacturers to support it. PS3 would appear to support it, given the Blu-ray demo at CES which noted support for 1080p/60. I don't know if your TV has to explicitly support that, or if any TV that can accept a 1080p signal will accept all variants of it.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

I don't think you would. According to the HDMI site, all versions of HDMI support 1080p/60 but it's up the manufacturers to support it. PS3 would appear to support it, given the Blu-ray demo at CES which noted support for 1080p/60. I don't know if your TV has to explicitly support that, or if any TV that can accept a 1080p signal will accept all variants of it.

In the most recent podcast of Major Nelson, Hryb interviews one of the people responsible for the whole HD development in Microsoft. He says that current cables can't handle the bandwith of 1080p. According to him HDMI can't relay the signal because sound also takes up a big piece of the bandwith.

Secondly, he said that there is no 1080p/60 standard yet. I guess it is a bit dangerous of Sony to go ahead with 1080p/60 while there is no concensus regarding the standard.

Rendering or outputting in 1080p/60, I doubt the PS3 is going to that by digital means.

 

[gofreak]

In the most recent podcast of Major Nelson, Hryb interviews one of the people responsible for the whole HD development in Microsoft. He says that current cables can't handle the bandwith of 1080p. According to him HDMI can't relay the signal because sound also takes up a big piece of the bandwith.

Well, the HDMI site disagrees..

..though the 1080p/60 demo at CES was using two cables. Perhaps that's a good reason for dual-video out

Secondly, he said that there is no 1080p/60 standard yet.

They don't need a standard for movies to allow 1080p/60 for games.

 

[BlueTsunami]

In the most recent podcast of Major Nelson

...

 

[aparisi2274]

yeah I am calling a FAKE!!!

There is no way Sony is going to eliminate potential users... Currently I have my cable box hooked via HDMI... and my brand new sony only has one HDMI port on it, I bet you will see an HDMI, and component options for it.

 

[Geoff9920]

...

While it may be a major nelson podcast, the guy he interviewed new wtf he was talking about.

 

[dynamitejim]

yeah I am calling a FAKE!!!

There is no way Sony is going to eliminate potential users... Currently I have my cable box hooked via HDMI... and my brand new sony only has one HDMI port on it, I bet you will see an HDMI, and component options for it.

I think you missed the "@E3" part.

Doesn't make any sense either way though.

 

[Stinkles]

yeah I am calling a FAKE!!!

There is no way Sony is going to eliminate potential users... Currently I have my cable box hooked via HDMI... and my brand new sony only has one HDMI port on it, I bet you will see an HDMI, and component options for it.

You missed the point completely.

1. According ot ths fishy article - Sony simply wants 3rd parties to connect to HD sets with HDMI and play stuff at 1080p. That's the part that won't fly.

2. Sony's PS3 and all other Blu Ray players will only play HD content through HDMI thanks to flagging on the Blu Ray movie discs - and most will incorporate this flag unless public outcry kills that stupid-ass idea dead.

3. PS3 games will all work fine through HDMI at any resolution the game developer includes.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

Well, the HDMI site disagrees..

The faq on HDMI.org says it supports 1080p but it doesnt specify wether it is 1080p/30 or 1080p/60. Maybe you meant another site?

They don't need a standard for movies to allow 1080p/60 for games.

I don't know enough about the technology when a standard is needed or not so I can't really comment on that.



But I would recommend downloading the podcast. Of course it is pro Xbox, but the technical aspects that are covered are quite specific.

 

[BlueTsunami]

While it may be a major nelson podcast, the guy he interviewed new wtf he was talking about.

Even then, I would not really go to Major Nelson for my source of anything pertaining to the PS3. You could argue that this wasn't about the PS3...just HDMI but reading between the lines you could see why they brought this to everyones attention.

Also, as Gofreak stated the HDMI site disagrees (and Kleegamefan has stated the same about HDMI not being limited). I've heard that some of the belief that HDMI is somehow limited is FUD being released by a certain company.

 

[gofreak]

The faq on HDMI.org says it supports 1080p but it doesnt specify wether it is 1080p/30 or 1080p/60.

From the manufacturers' FAQ:

Does HDMI support 1080p/60Hz?
Yes, every version of the HDMI standard supports 1080p/60Hz. However, as discussed below, this is not a requirement, and manufacturers may choose to only implement 1080i, for example. For some types of devices (e.g. DVD players), this has not historically resulted in a reduction in quality as there has been relatively little true 1080p/60Hz content available, and 1080i can deliver all of the visual information available from the source.

I don't know enough about the technology when a standard is needed or not so I can;t really comment on that.

For a closed games box, you don't really need "standards"..what you provide yourself becomes the standard for that platform. The standards issues you hear about only relate to blu-ray movie playback..that standard is the hands of others.

 

[Geoff9920]

Even then, I would not really go to Major Nelson for my source of anything pertaining to the PS3. You could argue that this wasn't about the PS3...just HDMI but reading between the lines you could see why they brought this to everyones attention.

Also, as Gofreak stated the HDMI site disagrees (and Kleegamefan has stated the same about HDMI not being limited). I've heard that some of the belief that HDMI is somehow limited is FUD being released by a certain company.

I agree there, major nelson isn't a good source for any of that kind of stuff and 1080p was definitely brought up for the reasons you stated(among other things). I was just pointing out that this wasn't some random home theater nut.

All that said, I'll still remain extremely skeptical about 1080p/60 being done on anything right now. Let alone a sub $500 home videogame console.

 

[PjotrStroganov]

For a closed games box, you don't really need "standards"..what you provide yourself becomes the standard for that platform. The standards issues you hear about only relate to blu-ray movie playback..that standard is the hands of others.

But for a TV to understand the signal that is outputted by the PS3, TV manufacturers have to know what they can expect, don't they? If the industry also hasn't even decided wether to use 1080p/60 or even 50, it wouldn't be very smart to go ahead with your own standard.

Also, my initial interpetation of there not being a standard, was that manufacturers haven't come to a unified language in which a high bandwith signal like this is going to be transmitted. Again, this is from the eyes of a layman.