PS3 is like 7m ahead in Japan? Not that far ahead in Europe believe it or not, actually spring 2011 PS3 was only 1m ahead in Europe.
PS3 shipments surpass 70 million, PSMove surpasses 15 million
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PS3 is like 7m ahead in Japan? Not that far ahead in Europe believe it or not, actually spring 2011 PS3 was only 1m ahead in Europe.
MS just did okay?
Xbox was 24 million. That's better than okay.
Sony really turned it around in the end. No complaints here.
Metalmurphy
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You mean it was 1m ahead for Spring alone? Cause that's the only way I can believe those numbers lol.
-Pyromaniac-
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That reboot some years ago where the price dropped and the marketing campaign went into full gear with the launch of the slim saved the PS3 this gen. A job well done.
Now they just have to continue the momentum rather than kill it with the same mistakes that killed the momentum coming from PS2 leading into PS3.
Now they just have to continue the momentum rather than kill it with the same mistakes that killed the momentum coming from PS2 leading into PS3.
Nah, something like 360 13.5m, PS3 14.5m. Will try and find the link.
Edit - Ah here we go - http://www.joystiq.com/2011/03/31/gamestop-details-u-s-and-european-console-install-base/
In Europe, the total gaming hardware install base is roughly 153 million, according to IDG data from December 2010. The report breaks down that number, too:
Nintendo DS - 46 million
Nintendo Wii - 24.9 million
PSP - 14.8 million
PS3 - 14.7 million
Xbox 360 - 13.7 million
In 2011 Sony reported having sold around 22.5 ps3 in europe, so I'd say that lead has extended big time.
MS did fabulously well in NA, better in Europe (efforts needed still) and nothing else elsewhere. However, if the current japanese trend continues with the shift towards mobile and portable gaming in general, the American firm will be in a better position that Sony to tackle the next round...At least I think so...
What kind of lead are you expecting? Certainly no bigger than Japans 7m that's for sure.
professor_t
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Did I miss something? I haven't read the whole thread, but several posts are announcing that Sony and MS have achieved parity because of the 70 million number.
But isn't MS touting 70 million sold while Sony is touting 70 million shipped?
But isn't MS touting 70 million sold while Sony is touting 70 million shipped?
They're both shipped. The difference is MS is from end of September and Sony is Nov 4th. MS will have shipped a couple to a few mill consoles through October/early Nov as well in time for the holidays. So the gap is likely still 2m~
Metalmurphy
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2010... and still not sure I believe those numbers and there's no source.
As previously posted PS3 in europe increases the gap by like 0.7 million in one quarter alone. (Australia included, but I doubt the difference between the PS3/360 is that big in Australia, 360 might even be ahead there)
And then there's the Nintendo numbers:
Ya I didn't think you would ;-)
Exactly what sort of lead are you expecting in Europe. Bearing in mind 360 has a 13m lead in US, but PS3 has a 7m lead in Japan, bringing it down to 6m (actually 4m, give 360 is 2m~ ahead) parity.
This doesn't include Canada, SA, Asia, Middle East and Australasia. I have no idea how either sell there specifically. But it'd have to be heavily in 360's favour for PS3 to be ahead in Europe by something like 5m, because that would put PS3 ahead WW.
Aren't there Black Ops 2, Assassin's Creed 3, and Uncharted 3 PS3 bundles this holiday? I'm sure the 360 has some hella good bundles too, but don't underestimate the PS3's potential this holiday season. To my understanding, it has been consistently outselling the 360 for a while EDIT: (except for the last week, Halo 4 helped the 360 take a nice jump this past wk/month), regardless of the fact that it's still playing catch up.
Xplatformer
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And for every one of you there are one of me that feel no rumble was a bad decision. Obviously enough people (including those at Sony) agreed with me.
bigtroyjon
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Can't wait until PS3 passes 360, over/under on the number of bans is 10.5
Aika'svyse
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When the dust settles this holiday i'm guessing 360 will be a few million ahead. Pretty close anyways. Considering MS is in way better shape than Sony they seem to have the pricing advantage still, they'll probaly do a drastic cut next year. At the end of the day who cares. who thought 360 would be ahead after all these years lol
OldJadedGamer
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Well 360's best quarter is always Oct-Dec so counting numbers is silly before a big holiday. Japan PS3 numbers may stay steady or go down in Japan depending on how well the WiiU does over there and how much it takes from the PS3's share. That is an unknown. Also it isn't clear if MS drops the 360 price and if Sony reacts. We'll see, lots of stuff can still happen before the generation truely ends next year.
In 2005? Not a single person. The playing field has been leveled and there is no more dominate system that controls userbase and third party support. Sony losing ground and MS gaining ground has been perfect to foster competiton and consumers win.
Next gen all three come to the table on equal footing.
To my knowledge, game has been profitable on an operating basis for several years straight now.
Edit: Actually, I was totally wrong, and Karma was right. Whoops.
AppleSmack
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Great numbers. I hope Sony takes the throne back next gen!
bigtroyjon
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Yes, I saw that. It's kind of a cherry picked stat, though, since it's the only loss in game I can find all the way back through 2010. It has been consistently profitable for several years now.
iamshadowlark
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Not always. The slides for Q2 are in billions of yen.
Sure beats
"MS is dead in Europe!"
"360 is a dudebro console!"
"360 didnt sell before Kinect!"
Parmenides had this in the European Sales Thread
I thought previously we had decided that "Japan" and (predominantly?) "Other" were where the majority of the PS3s clawback of the 360s WW lead, arose.
I thought previously we had decided that "Japan" and (predominantly?) "Other" were where the majority of the PS3s clawback of the 360s WW lead, arose.
Stephen Colbert
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What percentage of the 40 million or so Xbox 360 version 1 consoles do you guys think are still functional right now and how many do you think have RRODed out of warranty?
Metalmurphy
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*edit* Duh, I'm blind -.-
AgentChris
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This gen has been crazy. Last place selling 70M units, wow. During the PS2 day they sold over 100M PS2's while the others sold shit.
pharmboy044
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This is a PS3 thread. Not sure how this question is valid for this thread.
iamshadowlark
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Not to mention the 50 million PS2s sold this gen. But yeah console gaming is dying.
The answer to this doesn't mean much because if you use that you are going to have to go back & find out the percentage of all Consoles that broke down throughout history.
Your info seems to indicate that the PS3 is 2-3 million ahead in Europe (a year old, right?) whereas other people are claiming the gap in Europe is bigger than the one in Japan.
So which is it? Doesn't anybody have a reliable source?
Mikey Jr.
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& it was funny to watch people talk about how Sony was failing when Sony was selling the most home consoles this gen with the PS3 & PS2 both selling well.
since the Xbox 360 came out Sony has sold about 120 million Consoles.
H_Prestige
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They were failing because they were losing a shit load of money. Would you rather sell fewer things and make billions of dollars or sell more and lose billions?
Infinite Justice
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I wonder how much they would have sold if they didn't have their head up their ass for so long.
staticneuron
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And what is other?
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps3-passes-22m-european-sales/083710
So if these are the numbers back in late 2011. Then what is not being counted in the europen threads? The middle east? SCEE counts australia, africa, india and the ME as well right?
EDIT: I can't believe this needs to be explained because there are so many math geniuses in the thread. About the confusion of Europe it is simply because we "know" the numbers in Japan put the PS3 7 million ahead. The last numbers I have seen for the US was a 14 million gap, which obviously has grown thanks to the 360's stellar sales in the region. But how does the gap seem to close every year? obviously that means the number in the territories outside of japan must be higher to close the gap.
From Sony IR:
Classification of Geographic Information shows sales and operating revenue recognized by location of customers.
Major areas in each geographic segment excluding Japan, United States and China are as follows:
(1) Europe: United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, Spain and Sweden
(2) Asia-Pacific: India, South Korea and Oceania
(3) Other Areas: The Middle East/Africa, Brazil, Mexico and Canada
bigtroyjon
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They lost money in two consecutive quarters as they also had a loss in Q4 of the previous fiscal year.
The earnings releases themselves always have dollars in them. Here's Q2
staticneuron
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Thanks! I thought they changed things around.
Obviously people are debating over discrepancies. Which means the classification of who counts what.
In all these number counting threads, they will all be at odds with shipment values because of who the trackers don't count right?
I guess the better question to ask is if any trackers count the "other" territories?
bigtroyjon
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2011 Game info
It's the 15th slide, 11.5 billion yen. They did yet another re-org this year and gave us last years numbers when they did.
Exchange rate on the 4Q earnings was about 80.5 so in dollars its $143 million.
Apeopleman
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Playstation should have good momentum through 2013.