Oh shit, yea... I got mixed up with who I was responding to.
In that case, McHuj... same question.
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Oh shit, yea... I got mixed up with who I was responding to.
In that case, McHuj... same question.
I'm saying that if the split with RotTR shows that there is a preference for the Steam version above the WinStore version, then it strikes me as likely that MS will release its paid games on Steam in addition to the WinStore as that's evidently where the mindshare is. Gears UE PC still lacking any sort of release date beyond a vague "Spring 2016" gives MS a few months of sales data to sift through.
You and I have a history of back-and-forths that you suddenly bailed out of, I presume because you don't permit yourself to admit when someone else has even a vaguely valid point (which is not to be misconstrued as a personal insult -- if I believed talking to you to be a hopelessly lost cause, I wouldn't have made this post), so let's just agree that time will tell. I could very well be wrong.
What the difference? It's the same PC just a different store.
Heh, you are more optimistic than me!
I'm too much of the belief that moneys gotta be made first for the vast majority of large game companies, but would be an awesome gesture to have a cross buy deal in.
CyberPunked
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For definitive versions of games? Yes.
Your Windows Store account can be different from the XBL account you use to play. So there's actually a lot more scope for cross-buy to be exploited than you may think.
Yeah, I also think these may be the first steps towards replacing or turning XOne with/into a kind of Win10 machine.
But still, even if that ends up being a masterplay and getting MS tons of money, it will have come at the expense of the XOne. I´m not saying it´s a bad move for MS as an enterprise, I´m saying that it´s a bad move for the XOne. Today, the XOne has one reason less to convince me to get one and if this trend continues it will have none at all. If Demon´s Souls, Bloodborne and Last of Us got ported to PC I would have no interest in getting someday a PS4.
Of course there are cases where people can´t play them on PC, but some other people will opt out of a XOne for a PC. There are two scenarios:
1-XOne exclusives only in XOne = 100% of people who want to play those games have to buy a XOne.
2-XOne "exclusives" also in Win10 = X% people will decide to upgrade their PC, Y% will buy a XOne and Z% will just get the games for their already capable PC.
As long as X+Z > 0% XOne will have less sales in scenario 2 than in scenario 1.
Yeah if this happens I'll be happy as shit. Will save me the trouble of buying an Xbox One on launch day!
McHuj
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I don't think it's a question of strengthening the other platform, just increasing their own revenue and profit by reaching the widest possible audience. You don't have to win by making the other guy lose.
iNvid02
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why are they using mustard race as an insult? i fucking love mustard
Console gamers seem to with all these remasters..
I really don't get why people are complaining about this. In the end it's better for consumer..
So now my Xbox is officially a Sunset Overdrive machine.
Mustard race! Slightly better then those PiiU users.
Mustard race! Slightly better then those PiiU users.
Yea, but what you're describing isn't an ecosystem play.. .and in this case the other guy has reasons to make you lose in order to win (again, see EA Access). When you cut out the money they see from their own ecosystem (made from other people's games more than their own) the tradeoff doesn't look very favourable at all. So Halo goes from selling 5mil to selling 10mil again... that's nice and all... but small fry compared to taking a cut of every Xbox game ever sold. Hell, even without the cut obtained from other publishers EA has seen fit to try and remove themselves from their competitors ecosystems, despite the reduced audience that would imply. Creating games as a third-party publisher isn't the way for MS to maximize revenue... having a widely present Xbox ecosystem is.
Not officially confirmed, plus there are console exclusive games rated for PC on the Brazilian board.
It's probably a mistake on their part.
So what, you are going to wait a few years to play a game you want to play? I wish I had your patience.
If the game is already getting ratings for the PC version then we won't be waiting "years and years".
I don't use Steam so what features?
Lol just checked the actual site, just some games which were rated for pc in addition to xbox by them I could find within 20 secs:
halo 3, halo 4, halo reach, gears of war 3, gears of war judgement, forza 4
So this rating says absolutely nothing unfortunately...
Edit: Damn, beaten....
I guess you don't get the mindset of a lot of PC gamers then :/
Also, when you have a catalog that runs into the 100s, as well as a plethora of timesink online games, it becomes a lot easier to wait for things...
Pretty much. I've been burned on Microsoft services before and after GFWL, I'm not putting my money there until I'm thoroughly convinced that the service won't completely fuck itself. That will take several years. I avoid Uplay games for similar reasons and have been avoiding Origin, although that is no longer due to the service as that seems to have improved over the years, just eggergious pricing, dlc and broken games for years at a time remain the issue.
I am happy to see more competition, but Microsoft have a lot to prove to me first.
thehillissilent
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I don't mind this being exclusive to Windows 10 store. I love Steam, but I'm not afraid to use other stores such as Origin and Uplay. Cross buy would be awesome too. I'm just glad it coming to PC.
The Artisan
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source?
BakkaGames
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I think it's coming as well to PC, but they do not have a good record (Brazilian here) they also rated Gears of War 3, Halo 4 and Halo ODST, Forza Horizon 2 for PC a long time ago, example:
I would take this as a grain of salt
Forza Horizon 2 wasn't rated for PC, only FH 1.
Recently they have a solid record. There are no PC ratings for Halo 5, The Master Chief Collection, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2 or Rare Replay.
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Awesome, it's the one game X1 had that I wanted and now I can get it.
dgrdsv
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They don't need any test case to know that a title launching right now will sell better in Steam than in WinStore, that's just common sense. It is also common sense for them to lock down their IPs beyond WinStore exclusivity to promote and test the platform this way - I mean I don't expect Valve to release DOTA2 in WinStore no matter how many copies it would sell there, why would MS do anything differently here?
I have no issues admitting that I'm wrong - when I'm clearly wrong. With you it's mostly a difference of opinions from which I tend to bail out at some point when there's nothing more to explain to each other -)
Gotcha. Make sense.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Less and less reasons to keep my Xbox One are coming about. If this is true and Gears 4 comes to PC, then my Xbox One goes bye-bye.
Outrun
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What about Halo 5?
Still this is hardly evidence, they have been wrong so many times, just because they got 4 games right doesn't instill a whole lot of confidence in them.
shortsFortallPeople
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you make patience sound like a bad thing
McHuj
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The thing is I don't think MS has an ecosystem play. They'll probably try, but I don't think it will be successful, especially, on an open platform like PC. I think it will be limited to first party games only. I don't think any third party would put their software on the MS store when Steam is such an established platform or other publishers have their own (Origin, Uplay)
undu
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If by waiting you mean pick, choose and play among thousand of nice games before playing once exclusive Xbox 1 games, yes.
This would be awesome if true. Hopefully it starts the cross-buy stuff. I'm still keeping my XBO (I need to upgrade my PC though) as it provides more than just games to me (I love using Kinect for my TV...I hope they have an option for it in the next Xbox). Maybe it's something that MS announces at the February event.
For those saying the next Xbox is basically a win10 machine...well that's what the Xbox One is now (it was previously an Win8 machine). I just want the cross-buy for MS IPs to start happening with PC. I see a lot of posts about devaluation of Xbox One and all that jazz but who cares? MS has to figure it out. The biggest thing to any business is having and getting customers. Even if you have to give stuff away or even if you gotta take some sort of loss, you got to get and keep customers. If cross-buy and day and date of XBO/PC release for MS IP is some good will ish, then so be it. MS needs to be customer driven, PC customers want some of the MS IP. Well, they'll give it to you and to the xbox one customer because those are their platforms. People who are in their "garden" should be rewarded for being there (in my opinion).
Personally, I want cross-buy because I want to be able to go use the PC if I'm not on the couch playing games and my lady wants to use the main TV. I don't want to have two gaming PCs and most of the time I don't want to sit a desk to play games. I did the same when I didn't have my lady. Xbox One was in a different room than my PC. Some reasons of releasing games on both platforms go beyond devaluation.
For those saying the next Xbox is basically a win10 machine...well that's what the Xbox One is now (it was previously an Win8 machine). I just want the cross-buy for MS IPs to start happening with PC. I see a lot of posts about devaluation of Xbox One and all that jazz but who cares? MS has to figure it out. The biggest thing to any business is having and getting customers. Even if you have to give stuff away or even if you gotta take some sort of loss, you got to get and keep customers. If cross-buy and day and date of XBO/PC release for MS IP is some good will ish, then so be it. MS needs to be customer driven, PC customers want some of the MS IP. Well, they'll give it to you and to the xbox one customer because those are their platforms. People who are in their "garden" should be rewarded for being there (in my opinion).
Personally, I want cross-buy because I want to be able to go use the PC if I'm not on the couch playing games and my lady wants to use the main TV. I don't want to have two gaming PCs and most of the time I don't want to sit a desk to play games. I did the same when I didn't have my lady. Xbox One was in a different room than my PC. Some reasons of releasing games on both platforms go beyond devaluation.
Did you really miss all the excitement on the forum of the recent release of the Dragon's Dogma PC port?
I can see the next Xbox being a PC/Console hybrid with the W10 wrote being the unifies storefront.
It's great that more people get the chance to play the game. Personally I'll stick with my Xbox as it sits under my TV where I want it.
People who keep howling this mantra that Xbox is losing it exclusivity don't seem to be seeing the bigger picture.
It's great that more people get the chance to play the game. Personally I'll stick with my Xbox as it sits under my TV where I want it.
People who keep howling this mantra that Xbox is losing it exclusivity don't seem to be seeing the bigger picture.
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Well, if they're Windows platform and the Xbox platform become one and the same, then I think plenty of publishers would. That's kinda the whole point of having a unified platform rather than simply creating a Windows gaming platform to challenge Steam directly.
But sure, it's possible that they'll fail at this, and that the Xbox platform itself also fails to be sustainable in the form that it is. But if such a drastic situation were to occur, then I would expect MS to focus on things that actually do strengthen their ecosystem (their primary focus in all areas), rather than bother to operate as a publisher. They have little incentive or desire to act in that fashion. Look at Xbox Video for example... hardly the most successful video service on the planet, but what got dropped first, their attempt at an ecosystem play, or their attempts to compete, creating original video content? One of these will consistently be deemed not worth their time when push comes to shove, and it'll never be the ecosystem option.
Of course there's no debate as to which service will sell more copies, especially when you take into account GeForce bundles. But Microsoft no doubt has expectations and if those expectations are not met, then it's not outlandish to believe there's a strong possibility that MS will release its own paid games on Steam in addition to the WinStore. An attempt to position the WinStore as "The place to get Microsoft games" won't work if people aren't using it.