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Question for Smokers..
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I mostly just smoke when I drink -- Marlboro Menthol Lights. I don't really care about the recent anti-smoking laws in FL since I only smoke when I'm out drinking (in bars, the only workplace where it's still allowed). I do feel like a lot of restaurants and pubs got totally screwed over though. Idiotic proponents of the laws said "Oh well if we stop smoking in restaurants then business will increase from non-smoking customers!" That shit never happened, and most places have been forced to either take a hit in revenue or build an outside patio that still only gets a fraction of the business that they did before.
Note to whiny non-smokers: The "dangers" of second-hand smoke are bullshit.
Note to whiny non-smokers: The "dangers" of second-hand smoke are bullshit.
wandering goat
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When I smoked (Canadian) I usually rolled my own, in which case I smoked Export A. As far as regular cigarettes went, I like Marlboro (Canadian version, I heard it was inferior to the American) and occasionally Camels. Rolling your own is so much better than smoking cigarettes though:
1) It tastes better.
2) No stale cigarettes.
3) Roll whatever size you want.
4) Much cheaper.
Among other things, I quit buying cigarettes after getting one too many stale packs. Of course, I haven't smoked tobacco for about a year and a half now. I mainly quit because I couldn't stand the taste anymore. I was an occasional smoker for somewhere between a year or two and never got addicted.
1) It tastes better.
2) No stale cigarettes.
3) Roll whatever size you want.
4) Much cheaper.
Among other things, I quit buying cigarettes after getting one too many stale packs. Of course, I haven't smoked tobacco for about a year and a half now. I mainly quit because I couldn't stand the taste anymore. I was an occasional smoker for somewhere between a year or two and never got addicted.
robertsan21
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Zensetsu said:That doesn't make it cool
well depends on who is wearing it!
if its a guy who does not have confidence enough to wear something that sticks out in a crowd,"oops there goes 98% of GAF members out the window!" then no it does not make it look cool. but if its a guy who feels comfortable in it the people react to it and then it looks cool and girls see stuff like that and they respond and your the king of the night!
oh and smoking kills so does Snus! so stop it now people!!!
funkmasterb
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border said:
Are you seriously quoting penn and fucking teller as a reliable source of scientific information. Get a brain, and go research second-hand smoke in what we call 'a Library'.
My grandpa has throat cancer - diagnosed as a result of chewing tobacco
My other grandpa had emphasema and eventually died of lung cancer - diagnosed as a result of smoking
My grandma had initially lung -> breast -> brian and then bone cancer - diagnosed the intial lung cancer as a result of smoking
I have asthma, which real doctors and scientist attribute in part to pregnant women being around second hand smoke (my grandparents).
So after being told by around 20 doctors and doing research on my own - second hand smoke is as, if not more, dangerous than first hand - and smoking will bring you a horrible death.
Have fun! :lol
border said:
Haha our new anti-smoking laws EU forced to us, lasted one month. After that we adopted the "fuck you" attitude and started smoking wherever we wanted. The only thing I respect about my country (since we suck at pretty much everything else) is that we don't put up with stupid Nazi laws.
Yeah I can't believe how misinformed some of them are. I just can't.
:lol Yeah sure man. I wonder though why there isn't much evidence of this bullshit rumor though? Even the usual "researches" that try always to make things look bad don't have much evidence.
PS. Unlike what happens in Hollywood movies, no everyone who smokes does NOT die of lung cancer and no everyone who smokes isn't usually a bad person...
PS#2. I'm not implying that smoking is good or anything, but attacking it like ignorant idiots and supporting fascistic laws, is way worse than smoking in my book.
funkmasterb
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border said:A guy on a forum....now there's a reliable source of scientific information
I'm not quoting P&T, just the experts and studies covered on the show.
Lol...I'm sure the average 'expert' who appears on the show is well compensated for his view. Also, I was encouraging you to look to places other than MAGICIANS for your information - like a real library, or a university class.
funkmasterb
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Che said:
There is evidence you knob - unfortunately you have to read books and understand words with more than two syllables to undertand it - which is why people like you are coming in here and calling people 'ignorant'.
:lol
funkmasterb
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I'm gone for the day.
I encourage all the smokers in here to light up and extra one (or five!) for me to bring their horrible decent into death a bit quicker.
I encourage all the smokers in here to light up and extra one (or five!) for me to bring their horrible decent into death a bit quicker.
Manabanana
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funkmasterb said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
I don't know if that was enough.
border said:Note to whiny non-smokers: The "dangers" of second-hand smoke are bullshit.
I call Bullshit on Penn & Teller's Bullshit on this one, just from my own personal anecdotal evidence.
Living at home, with my two parents who smoke, my asthma is bad. Without taking my inhalor, I can't run for a minute without hacking and weezing.
After 8 months at university, without being around cigarette smoke at all, I was able to run for a full 12 minutes before I started weezing, without taking my inhalor.
So shut the fuck up about the nonsense that second-hand smoke isn't harmful. That goes double for you, Che, you raving lunatic.
funkmasterb said:
what? so the smoke that goes into my lungs, gets filtered, then blown back out into the air is more dangersous than the smoke I took into my lungs to begin with? You're some kind of crazy. I just don't get you anti-smokers, I appreciate you telling me that smoking is harmful to my health, though anyone who smokes already knows that, but to tell me what to do in my personal life is going to far.
funkmasterb said:
And you have? If you had you would actually know that these studies are full of generality and ridiculous conclusions trying to push you the idea of second hand smoking being undeniably dangerous while having little evidence. And guess why. Maybe it's because these "researches" are always funded by anti-smoking organizations and goverments? And yeah they might have been deaths but there are also have been deaths from coconuts falling in people's heads. Should we cut down all coconut trees?
And btw I bet you haven't read any of these researches. You're just talking out of your ass just because the doctors who absolutely love spreading and enhancing these rumors told you so.
Manabanana
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Boogie said:
It's not that it isn't harmful, it's that second hand smoke is no more harmful than smoke from a fireplace. Still not something you want gathering in a closed space, though. It will make your eyes itch, it will make breathing a bit more difficult, and it will trigger asthma. Just like normal smoke.
Well Bullshit focuses on cancer risks for second-hand smoke, which are supposedly nill (or statistically insignificant). Incidence of asthma was not really addressed, as I recall. I probably wouldn't be too surprised that smoke flares up asthma in people that already have it. It tends to bother my eyes and if it's real dense it'll make me throw up if I've been drinking.Boogie said:
The point was that you're sitting here laughing at me, but I'm at least citing sources whereas you're just telling people to go to a library. The "Oh those experts get paid for testimony" angle kinda goes both ways, n'est-ce pas?
Man, you people suck. I don't care for smoking and I personally don't smoke, but if there's one thing worse than smokers, it's self-righteous, intolerant assholes that preach all this anti-smoking rhetoric. It's a legal substance and nobody is hurting anyone but themselves for the most part if they smoke. So leave them the fuck alone.
Funny thing is, I think virtually all my friends smoke. Seriously. My mom gets upset and she's like, "Why don't you make friends with people who don't smoke?"
BECAUSE SMOKING IS COOL AND I ONLY HANG OUT WITH COOL PEOPLE.
Funny thing is, I think virtually all my friends smoke. Seriously. My mom gets upset and she's like, "Why don't you make friends with people who don't smoke?"
BECAUSE SMOKING IS COOL AND I ONLY HANG OUT WITH COOL PEOPLE.
This is what I get for going out on a Friday night...sheesh. I missed all the fun.
The original poster explicitly asked SMOKERS to discuss their favorite brands of cigarettes. I don't know how some of you construed that to mean, "What he REALLY wants is for me to come into this thread and preach about how bad/disgusting/dangerous/etc. smoking is," but I strongly encourage you to knock off that bullshit NOW.
If you want to start another thread discussing the pros and cons of smoking, or the economic/social impact of anti-smoking laws for public places, go nuts. I don't want to hear any more about those topics in this thread, though.
And no, I have never smoked in my life.
The original poster explicitly asked SMOKERS to discuss their favorite brands of cigarettes. I don't know how some of you construed that to mean, "What he REALLY wants is for me to come into this thread and preach about how bad/disgusting/dangerous/etc. smoking is," but I strongly encourage you to knock off that bullshit NOW.
If you want to start another thread discussing the pros and cons of smoking, or the economic/social impact of anti-smoking laws for public places, go nuts. I don't want to hear any more about those topics in this thread, though.
And no, I have never smoked in my life.
the year 20XX
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Tops aren't for men.robertsan21 said:and that pink top that you are refeering to is for men
aoi tsuki said:
There's certainly a difference in brands, just like with anything else. I've tried a number of cigarettes, and Camel Turkish Golds are just among the smoothest ones out there that have a good taste to it. If you can be so lucky as to find the Rare's when they put them out, those are even better yet with an even smoother flavor (they use the top 0.5% of the crop or some such special treatment). Marlboro's, American Spirits, Winston's, and co. just don't stack up As far as cloves go, I love Sampoerna's, although Djaurm Blacks are also good. And smoking flavored tobacco out of a hookah is probably tops for me, but that's provided you find a nice little hookah bar or have one handy on the patio, good music, and good company. Just a side note here, as a bonus, if you're a coffee drinker, smoking, aside from being fantastic after a good meal, during a game of pool, or at a bar, helps metabolize coffee a lot quicker so if you're doing some studying and stressing out, have a nice cup, catch a little smoke break, and you'll feel the kick.
But like I said, I quit smoking and I admittedly never did altogether that much (probably smoked 5 packs tops total so far); I just made sure I branched out while I was doing it. People need to lay off the smokers here....though I understand if you've never smoked I know why it's so unappealing. I'd never date a smoker, 'less it was merely an occasional indulgence, and I'm actually voting for the smoking ban here in Austin, but there's nothing wrong with indulging a bit. Some of us, despite engaging in the habit a bit sporadically are in great shape to boot -- I can safely say I'm in the best shape of my life at the moment. It's not a good habit to keep around, but it's not the worst of things to partake in when needed.
teh_pwn said:
There is really no such thing as 'clean' air unless you're living in a bubble. I understand many people do not wish to deal with the smell of smoke, as it is a rather unpleasant odor to a non-smoker. However, there are many other danger pollutants in the air that we need to worry about.
Second hand smoke, while certainly being unhealthy, is just a convienent scapegoat for all the other shit we breath in daily.
Late Stage Marxist
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Even if second hand smoke is harmless (it isn't), it still smells like shit and stinks up the threads of everyone in the room. People have died as a result of second hand smoke, so the burden of proof is on the people who say it's harmless. I'm afraid "Bullshit" just doesn't cut it.
End of story.
End of story.
Manabanana
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trippingmartian said:
Prove someone has died of second hand smoke first
Re-Back on Topic...
Flavored Camel Turkish Golds are remarkable. I've had the pleasure of smoking Vanilla... but I'm a sucker for any type of vanilla flavored tobacco.
Truth is, however, if you want flavor, look towards cigars (robust, full) or pipes (tasty, relaxing). I love smoking... seriously.
And it's so fucking cool driving around with a fucking Pipe in your mouth. The looks I've gotten... just priceless.
Flavored Camel Turkish Golds are remarkable. I've had the pleasure of smoking Vanilla... but I'm a sucker for any type of vanilla flavored tobacco.
Truth is, however, if you want flavor, look towards cigars (robust, full) or pipes (tasty, relaxing). I love smoking... seriously.
And it's so fucking cool driving around with a fucking Pipe in your mouth. The looks I've gotten... just priceless.
Red Scarlet
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I've had some of those flavored Camels..mainly the Twists (orange), Izmir Stingers (can't tell what it is), and the Crema ones. They're pretty good, but at least you get a case out of it.
I can't smoke cigars, I smoke them like normal cigarettes and that's bad and stuff.
And if 2nd hand smoking is more harmful, then might as well smoke then, since it's less harmful! :lol
I can't smoke cigars, I smoke them like normal cigarettes and that's bad and stuff.
And if 2nd hand smoking is more harmful, then might as well smoke then, since it's less harmful! :lol
Red Scarlet
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Rorschach said:
Anyone know how to smoke filterless cigs? I just end up eating half the tobacco.
Ninja Scooter
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crack-cocaine
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If this thread was about alcohol it would be totally different. You people are such tools.
And yes, i love smoking while drinking coffee.
i just got some Camel Turkish Silvers, and i guess it's the alcohol, but i don't detect much difference, other than a mellower yet less pleasant flavor than the Golds. i tried the flavored Camels as well, but the flavors felt very artificial and unsatisfying, especially for the price. i've been resisting the urge to roll my own or get a pipe or hookah because i don't want to further my expenses in this habit, but i have a habit of diving into my interests moreso than the average person, so it's only a matter of time. i've had a few handrolled cigs from my uncles and some of the blends i've tried are amazing. Like coffee, it's about much more than just feeding an addiction.
i don't mean to glorify smoking. My dad died of oral cancer just over two years ago, and while that would drive a lot of people to steer clear of it, it drove me in the opposite direction. i used to only bum a smoke or two while drinking at the club because it just felt really good, but after his death, i guess i was just in a mourning stage where i just wanted to kill whatever pain i felt and drank and smoked until i passed out. i think it's a disgusting habit, but like a lot of things you hate but do frequently, you become numb to it after a while. It doesn't help that i live in what was once the tobacco capital of the US. i've worked with people who say that menthols are good for colds. i'd almost wish for colds more often, because i'd only smoke one a day, at most. i want to quit, but i just don't want it badly enough.
aoi tsuki said:And yes, i love smoking while drinking coffee.
i just got some Camel Turkish Silvers, and i guess it's the alcohol, but i don't detect much difference, other than a mellower yet less pleasant flavor than the Golds. i tried the flavored Camels as well, but the flavors felt very artificial and unsatisfying, especially for the price. i've been resisting the urge to roll my own or get a pipe or hookah because i don't want to further my expenses in this habit, but i have a habit of diving into my interests moreso than the average person, so it's only a matter of time. i've had a few handrolled cigs from my uncles and some of the blends i've tried are amazing. Like coffee, it's about much more than just feeding an addiction.
i want to quit, but i just don't want it badly enough.
Flavored cigarettes aren't worth the price of admission in my experience. A hookah is, save for the fact that given the cost of investment, the array of tobacco you could use it with, and the ecstasy of using it, it'll only propagate your smoking habits further. My friend gave me his when he opted to quit, and I've only used it a handful of times, but it's pulled me through a rough spot or two as it is. Were you nearby, I'd offer it to you since I don't use it anymore.
That said, if you want to quit, I'd suggest doing it sooner rather than later. Of course, you have to want to do it, as no amount of small talk will do it otherwise. It was simple enough for me since I never really began the habit; I just bummed cigarettes off my good friend intentionally to avoid buying a pack and would just compensate him later by buying coffee or something similar. That and I just envision myself as a married father of two and being diagnosed with lung cancer -- the prospect of that alone is enough to scare me straight. If you want to stop smoking, I'd recommend just flat out stop buying packs of cigarettes and potentially just kindly bumming them off people to ween yourself off having an abundant supply at hand. Carry some gum or mints instead and you could, although not necessarily ideal, simply supplement the addiction with something else, such as coffee (although that in itself is only good in moderation thanks to kidney stones and the like). A better alternative would be teas, which are far better for you, pack a mild dose of caffeine and have hundreds of varieties to try out. Moreover, recent research, at least according to a recent issue of Men's Health from a few months ago, suggested that regularly drinking green tea could potentially help reverse or neutrallize some of the effects of smoking.
If you want to quit, quit. Just don't pull any punches about it...and if you don't, well, just keep your eyes open to the consequences. There's nothing to glorify about smoking really; it's an enjoyable, but hazardous habit. People here who complain about smoking aren't wrong, but I assure you no one would be as vengeful to the habit if they ever smoked flavored tobacoo out of a hookah. It's a far cleaner smoke and it smells and tastes like fruit (or flowers, etc), and a bowl generally lasts about 40 minutes depending.
Late Stage Marxist
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OMG I'M GOING TO GET LUNG CANCER FROM 2ND HAND CORONA :lol :lol :lolCerebral Palsy said:
Cerebral Palsy
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Sigh, this thread is filled to the brim with retards.
No, but maybe get hit by a drunk driver.
Each year over 100,000 people in the U.S. die from alcohol related causes. Definitely not as many compared to smoking, but I'd argue there are a lot more innocent victims.
trippingmartian said:
No, but maybe get hit by a drunk driver.
Each year over 100,000 people in the U.S. die from alcohol related causes. Definitely not as many compared to smoking, but I'd argue there are a lot more innocent victims.
Late Stage Marxist
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So you're for drinking and driving laws but against smoking by-laws?
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trippingmartian said:
I merely pointed out the hypocrisy that is running rampant in this thread. Don't put words in my mouth.
And comparing secondhand smoke to drunk driving is laughable.
Late Stage Marxist
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Yeah and that's exactly what you did.Cerebral Palsy said:
Cerebral Palsy
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trippingmartian said:
Okay, I'll try this again since you seem to be a bit slow.
Compare this thread to the "Favorite Alcohol" threads that always pop-up in OT. See the difference? See the hypocrisy? Good boy! And it isn't just this forum.
And I never compared smoking laws to drunk driving laws. Try again. Your word games aren't working.
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