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[siamesedreamer]

What is it that would make you vote for Hillary Clinton right now?

I ask this because of four reasons:

1) In the last several polls released since Kerry's defeat, she has been the fron runner in every poll for being the DEM nominee.

2) Her obvious march to the middle as evidenced by her backing of the DEM proposal to expand military strength today (even though her husband cut the military by 25%).

3) The DEM hardline from Kerry that combat/military experience is essential to being the CinC.

4) Her overall lack of experience (still a junior senator).

I mean, she is as devisive as Bush. Wouldn't it be in the DEM best interest to nominate a moderate from the likes of Evan Byah, etc.?

 

[Belfast]

I'd vote for her just to see what happens!

 

[IntestineBoy]

President Hillary = Co-President Bill Clinton.

He's not going to be spending his time picking out china and seating arrangements. If some crisis comes up, he's gonna get called in and coach her. He'll be there for domestic stuff too. Basically...

TWO PRESIDENT CLINTONS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!



but...

I'd probably vote for Biden if she wasn't around, and Dean if he ran. I loves me my Dean.

 

[ChronoMagnus]

The reason i would vote for hillary has nothhing to do about hillary the politician but rather hillary the person.

1) She is the first woman that has a real chance at becoming president.
2) She is a democrat (which to me will always be better than republicans)
3) She looks like an evil bitch that would lay down the pain
4) She is married to my favorite president. Bill is awesome and you would be suprised how many people would vote to put hillary in office in order for Bill to be in the spotlight again.

And for those who say hillary cant win. Think again. When the awesome forces of Woman voters and minorites team up there is almost no way in hell she can lose. Woman across the country are seeing this as there defining moment where they can claim true equality with men. Blacks will never vote republican and hispanics everywhere (except texas and florida) will mainly vote Democratic.

I will vote for hillary because of what she is not. She is not a republican (i hate how the republicans party used religion to polarize the country) and because she is married to Bill.

I'm not kidding when i say that if Bill could run again, he would win .

 

[Fragamemnon]

I'd be strongly tempted to vote for her in the primaries if there wasn't a viable, far-left insurgent candidate around (like Howard Dean last year). I firmly believe Hilary is a calculating, smart politician, and as such most of her "move to the middle" is less about altering her beliefs and values as it is intelligently controlling and crafting her appearances to give the impression that she's moderate.

In reality, I think her positions on policy are very left-but it's easy to seem like a centrist by making press by taking specific moderate positions on very specific issues and playing the "moral values" card like the current bit with GTA:SA (which I support, not because of the principle, but that GTA:SA is a muddling mess of a game and I <3 the beatdown of Rockstar).

 

[ge-man]

I wonder if the polls are a result of the poor pool of possiblie canidates at the moment? I'm not sure if there are a lot democrats or truly want her to be the on the ticket for all kinds of reasons besides being devisive.

 

[ChronoMagnus]

Republicans have it worse though. Who can run and actually win for the Republican party in 2008? Jeb Bush? Condy Rice? Colin Powell?. All three would lose for various reasons (you already know what they are).

That being said, i seriously cant see the Republicans retaining the white house come 2008. At least here in the north, most people are pissed of at the republican party (Using religion, anti-gay laws, War on iraq). I wish i could vote for Barrack Obama though.

 

[Mandark]

As far as I can tell, there is very little grassroots support for Hillary. During 2003/2004, over 90% of the speculation about a Hillary run (or VP pick) came from conspiracy-minded conservatives, to whom she is some sort of bogeywoman, for whatever reasons.

The one thing she has going for her is celebrity. She's fairly entrenched in people's minds, more than Kerry, certainly more than Edwards (what percent of the population knows who ran with Dole in 96?). In polls like this, that's a big deal. Heck, every GOP ticket since 1976 has had either a Bush or a Dole.

Anyway, your bullet points are silly. When did Kerry say military service was essential? Since when has a long stretch of time in national politics helped someone in a presidential election? Why is "DEM" capitalized like that? Does it stand for something?

 

[Lo-Volt]

I am not a Democratic Party member, but in the previous election, I did vote Democrat... that said,

I don't know if I would vote for Hillary Clinton even for her Senate seat. As a constituent, I don't appreciate her so-called move to the center by supporting the worst kind of Republican senators in moral issues to get away from her image as a socialist or whatever they want to call her. Joseph Lieberman pulled the same stunts against video games, and all he did was fail. I don't want to see Clinton succeed in something I consider as dishonest as targeting video games for the sake of gaining the support of the people who voted on moral values when they couldn't name them half the time.

I am one of the few young people who really take voting seriously, but maybe I should sit out of the midterm elections anyway.

Problem is, though, one of her Republican candidates is Richard Nixon's son-in-law. Uh-huh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Cox

 

[Uno Ill Nino]

I don't think Hillary will be the DEM in the 2008 elections. She'll never get that far simply because she is a woman. People who think minorities and women are garaunteed votes are misguided. All you need to do is consider just how fucking backward most of the US still is. You really think all the black men will vote for a white woman? How about Hispanics? And women in general? It's just not that simple.

The US citizens are stupid. In the 2004 election, they voted over bullshit topics like abortions, gun control, and gay marraiges. Nevermind the economy, I guess. As long as fags can't marry and we gots our guns, that's all that matters, right?

The way the right-wing media just used ugly slimeball tactics, and the way that half of the US fell for them, is a sure sign that people are just not as smart as you'd like to think. So with all that in mind, how the hell is a woman going to become President in THIS America?

That said, if by some miracle she does become the democratic party candidate, I'd vote for her just to get any remaining assholes from the Bush administration the hell out of there.

 

[Bebpo]

I am not a Democratic Party member, but in the previous election, I did vote Democrat... that said,

I don't know if I would vote for Hillary Clinton even for her Senate seat. As a constituent, I don't appreciate her so-called move to the center by supporting the worst kind of Republican senators in moral issues to get away from her image as a socialist or whatever they want to call her. Joseph Lieberman pulled the same stunts against video games, and all he did was fail. I don't want to see Clinton succeed in something I consider as dishonest as targeting video games for the sake of gaining the support of the people who voted on moral values when they couldn't name them half the time.

I am one of the few young people who really take voting seriously, but maybe I should sit out of the midterm elections anyway.

Problem is, though, one of her Republican candidates is Richard Nixon's son-in-law. Uh-huh...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Cox

Despite being a gamer, I think national and international affairs are about 1 billion times more important than video games and would never let a person's stance on gaming effect my vote. Hell if there was a really good candidate that I felt would make the country and overall world a much better place but they wanted to ban all violent video games from ever being made I'd still vote for them. Gaming is just a hobby in the end.

 

[Uno Ill Nino]

Despite being a gamer, I think national and international affairs are about 1 billion times more important than video games and would never let a person's stance on gaming effect my vote. Hell if there was a really good candidate that I felt would make the country and overall world a much better place but they wanted to ban all violent video games from ever being made I'd still vote for them. Gaming is just a hobby in the end.

That's what I'm saying. I'm pro-abortions, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control. But if there is a candidate that has some good plans for restoring the US to more prosperous times, I am more than willing to not care about any of that other shit. Ultimately you gotta look at what really matters. The stuff that will really benefit the US. To hell with everything else. Its just icing on the cake.

 

[fart]

dude i'd hit it

 

[RiZ III]

Having Clinton in the white house again would rock, but either way I wouldn't vote for her.

 

[Zeo]

Yeah, I'd vote for Hilary just because of the comedy that would come from Bill being the First Man.

EDIT: Last time I said this on a forum people took me seriously and said I was retarded for voting for someone because of that, heh. So reality: I would never vote for her because I think she's an untrustworthy idiot.

 

[sc0la]

I would vote for her if I could hear

"Ladys and Gentlemen, First Pimp William Jefferson Clinton!"

broadcast on television

 

[Drinky Crow]

I'd vote for her inna heartbeat.

 

[Matlock]

I'd vote for a third party before I voted for Hilary Clinton.

 

[suaveric]

Republicans have it worse though. Who can run and actually win for the Republican party in 2008? Jeb Bush? Condy Rice? Colin Powell?. All three would lose for various reasons (you already know what they are).

That being said, i seriously cant see the Republicans retaining the white house come 2008. At least here in the north, most people are pissed of at the republican party (Using religion, anti-gay laws, War on iraq). I wish i could vote for Barrack Obama though.

I dunno, I think Colin Powell would have a pretty good shot at winning if he ran. But I doubt he would do it. In my eyes, the rebublicans need someone who is much closer to center if they even want a chance at winning in 08. Powell could be that man. Maybe McCain. He seems reasonable enough.

As for the question at hand, I'd vote for Hilary, hell, if for no other reaon than to see the far-right implode upon her election!

 

[Lo-Volt]

That's what I'm saying. I'm pro-abortions, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control. But if there is a candidate that has some good plans for restoring the US to more prosperous times, I am more than willing to not care about any of that other shit. Ultimately you gotta look at what really matters. The stuff that will really benefit the US. To hell with everything else. Its just icing on the cake.

Of course, I agree with that. And I don't consider the video game issue to be the dealbreaker. It was a pet peeve and was used as an example, not as the the reason not to vote for her.

I intend to post a better response at a better hour if I can.

 

[xsarien]

What is it that would make you vote for Hillary Clinton right now?

I ask this because of four reasons:

1) In the last several polls released since Kerry's defeat, she has been the fron runner in every poll for being the DEM nominee.

I don't know why. She's as polarizing as they come, and Republicans would come out in droves to vote against her, even if it meant killing their own mothers.

2) Her obvious march to the middle as evidenced by her backing of the DEM proposal to expand military strength today (even though her husband cut the military by 25%).

I don't think you're likely to encounter too many "normal" Democrats who are against actually cutting military strength, especially with so many in the field right now. The only ones who are actively suggesting we cut our collective nose off to spite our collective face are the left fringe element. They're just like the right-fringe. You know, the guys who fought so hard to get us into Iraq in the first place. The moderates on both sides need to clean up the Neocon mess, and it's sad, unfortunate, and will likely be the true legacy of the George W. Bush administration.

3) The DEM hardline from Kerry that combat/military experience is essential to being the CinC.

It was a cynical move that backfired. They should've learned from Dole '96.

4) Her overall lack of experience (still a junior senator).

To be fair, she does have White House experience by proxy. By far, she was one of the more involved first ladies; she didn't want to be window dressing, and Bill indulged her. While she didn't have any official power, she has more experience on the national level than simply being a state senator.

I mean, she is as devisive as Bush. Wouldn't it be in the DEM best interest to nominate a moderate from the likes of Evan Byah, etc.?

Oh, I agree. I think it's incredibly stupid to even consider her, if for no other reason than that she's a Senator, and it's damned near impossible to elect one to the Presidency. Republican or Democrat, any Presidential candidate basically needs to be a centrist, so digging up a good governor with party loyalty and Southern approval is paramount.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I'd vote for her inna heartbeat.

Seconded, if only to see the republican's reaction after she won.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Every Republican I know gets a smile on their face thinking of her being nominated. It would probably guarantee them another 4 yrs.

 

[ronito]

No sir. I don't like it.

 

[909er]

Republicans have it worse though. Who can run and actually win for the Republican party in 2008? Jeb Bush? Condy Rice? Colin Powell?. All three would lose for various reasons (you already know what they are).

That being said, i seriously cant see the Republicans retaining the white house come 2008. At least here in the north, most people are pissed of at the republican party (Using religion, anti-gay laws, War on iraq). I wish i could vote for Barrack Obama though.

Colin Powell is a respected moderate. He would win if he ran. The problem is, now he's more likely to run for Democrats than Republicans (ton of stories about how he was not treated all too well in the Bush administration. Figures, he was a smart experienced military man with a level head. Bush only wanted chicken hawks like himself).

The Republicans don't have anybody with nearly the appeal of Bush right now, and then there's the fact that Republican controlled congress has like 30% approval rating and the war in Iraq sure isn't helping. This CIA thing may taint Bush camp too. No, I too can't see the Republicans controlling either the presidency or Congress in 2008/2006.

And I'm a Republican.

 

[Incognito]

Dems better nominate someone worthy, or it's going to be a George Allen sweep.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Every Republican I know gets a smile on their face thinking of her being nominated. It would probably guarantee them another 4 yrs.

They said the same thing about Howard Dean in 2004, when, in reality, he was the last guy that the Republicans wanted to deal with.

Edit: Powell's political career ended when he went before the UN and told lies to the world community. He paid his dues, and he's not coming back, I don't think.

 

[xsarien]

Colin Powell is a respected moderate.

I lost a large part of my respect for him after he spent nearly six years shilling for, and generally sucking up to Bush.

 

[Incognito]

Indeed. It's one thing to be a moderate for the media where all they need is a dissenting viewpoint, but it's quite another to be an actual moderate who puts his money where his mouth is.

 

[AirBrian]

Republicans have it worse though. Who can run and actually win for the Republican party in 2008? Jeb Bush? Condy Rice? Colin Powell?. All three would lose for various reasons (you already know what they are).

That being said, i seriously cant see the Republicans retaining the white house come 2008. At least here in the north, most people are pissed of at the republican party (Using religion, anti-gay laws, War on iraq). I wish i could vote for Barrack Obama though.

John McCain has a legitimate shot for the Republicans. Hell, if it wasn't for the Bush campaign's assault, he'd probably be president.

For the Democrats, I would much rather see Obama than Hillary.

 

[xsarien]

John McCain has a legitimate shot for the Republicans. Hell, if it wasn't for the Bush campaign's assault, he'd probably be president.

I don't know. In the past couple of years, McCain's lost a lot of his independent and Democratic swing support. He's much less of a maverick these days, towing the party line more and more often.

 

[Fragamemnon]

For the ten-thousandth time, there is NO way McCain gets out of the cracker belt primary in South Carolina alive. The Jeebus Saves crowd had a lot of power in 2000 when they torpedoed him there and they have much, much more power now than they did back then in the GOP.

Edit: And the bonafide Republicans don't like him too much either. Too much dissent of Dear Leader and he is on the Gang of 14 = death for a party that demands, above all else, loyalty to the leaders and causes.

 

[AirBrian]

I don't know. In the past couple of years, McCain's lost a lot of his independent and Democratic swing support. He's much less of a maverick these days, towing the party line more and more often.

That's true, but I think he's kept his distance far enough away from Bush & Co. to not be considered part of the ilk. That alone could be worth plenty of votes. 2008 will certainly be interesting for both parties.

 

[Fragamemnon]

That's true, but I think he's kept his distance far enough away from Bush & Co. to not be considered part of the ilk. That alone could be worth plenty of votes.

People who are tired of Bush and his style will have two choices. Baby-killer and Democrat-enabler John McCain (and yes, a decent slice of the base sees him that way), or Newt Gingrich, who has strong support with traditional conservatives, as well as young congressional female interns.