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[Alcotholic]

I'll be going back home to visit some old friends and family soon and I haven't talked to many of my old high school mates since college. A lot of them have changed in the past 6 years and I have a general understanding of their personality through Facebook. Many of the girls I was close friends with have become huge activists and spend a lot of their time focusing on feminist theory and protesting. I have no problem with this and support their efforts to spread awareness, but I am a little afraid to actually see them as they seem very aggressive with their viewpoints of "smashing the patriarchy" and "bringing down white supremacy", as well as "abolishing the police".
I've talked to my close friend from home and he says it's kinda awkward to hang around them since they only talk about local politics and find most things offensive. I would feel judged upon by them for not really doing much. I think they would have a "with us or against us mentality"
I consider myself an egalitarian as opposed to a feminist, because it seems much a much more inclusive ideology that considers all issues- men, women, black, white, gay, straight, cis, transgender, etc. without the excessive exclusion of the other movements.

So, just my thoughts.
Are radical anarchist feminists as intense as they seem?

 

[Wallach]

If someone actually tells you they are a radical anarchist feminist, they're probably pretty intense, yeah.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Oh. I thought this would be about Emma Goldman.

 

[TatteredHat]

The more adjectives someone adds to their political stance, the more intense they are. Base+2 is pretty intense, yes.

 

[Lomax]

So, just my thoughts.
Are radical anarchist feminists as intense as they seem?

Is that what they call themselves? Or is that your label based on their Facebook posts? Because that's pretty much your answer.

 

[Chinner]

Ask if they play Pokemon Go. Try and find common ground.

 

[Alcotholic]

If someone actually tells you they are a radical anarchist feminist, they're probably pretty intense, yeah.

Is that what they call themselves? Or is that your label based on their Facebook posts? Because that's pretty much your answer.

She hasn't explicitly stated that, but from what I've gathered from her Facebook posts, photos and other stuff. It's what I've come to the conclusion to.
The words she uses seems to subscribe to that ideology.

 

[ntropy]

there must be better ways to treat boredom

 

[EightBitNate]

She hasn't explicitly stated that, but from what I've gathered from her Facebook posts, photos and other stuff. It's what I've come to the conclusion to.
The words she uses seems to subscribe to that ideology.

I understand that that description was probably just a mistake on your part, but it's about to become the focus of this thread, lol.

 

[Kwixotik]

Ask if they play Pokemon Go. Try and find common ground.

"Why do Nidorina and Nidoran have to be listed separately and ascribe to gendered characteristics?! Ugh, I can't believe you play that filth"

 

[Famassu]

Being a feminist doesn't exclude you from other progressive movements. And a lot of feminist do try to tackle all kinds of problems, not just exclusively female problems. Like trying to demolish some toxic masculinity culture is good for everyone in different ways; men, women, blacks and gays alike.

 

[Lomax]

She hasn't explicitly stated that, but from what I've gathered from her Facebook posts, photos and other stuff. It's what I've come to the conclusion to.
The words she uses seems to subscribe to that ideology.

Yeah, labeling someone in a pejorative manner based on their Facebook posts is not the brightest thing to do. Would you want to be judged purely on your Gaf posts? They probably haven't actually changed that much at all. You just see their political views via Facebook memes and posts and clearly don't otherwise have interaction with them.

I understand that that description was probably just a mistake on your part, but it's about to become the focus of this thread, lol.

As well it should be, it's fundamental attribution bias. If the question is "is this massive assumption I'm making about someone's personality correct" the answer is basically always no.

 

[Platy]

Does THEY use the word Radical or is your idea of being a radical ?

Because "radical feminism" (mostly commonly found on the web as "rad fem") is a sub theory based on the second wave feminist that is full of sex negative transphobic racist weirdos.

I consider myself an egalitarian as opposed to a feminist, because it seems much a much more inclusive ideology that considers all issues- men, women, black, white, gay, straight, cis, transgender, etc. without the excessive exclusion of the other movements.

That is called intersectional feminism. If you have problems with the word "fem" on front you MIGHT not feel as "egalitation" as you might think =P

 

[Chinner]

Thread title reads like the name of a sitcom on TV.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I understand that that description was probably just a mistake on your part, but it's about to become the focus of this thread, lol.

This thread is already a highlight for me because I learned you're still in gaf.

 

[Platy]

Thread title reads like the name of a sitcom on TV.

I would totaly watch a sitcom about a Radical Sports champion, a Punk Anarchist and a Feminist living on the same roof

 

[EightBitNate]

This thread is already a highlight for me because I learned you're still in gaf.

 

[Eumi]

I have a bunch of friends who used to be this way and yeah, it really sucks when you hang around with people who are constanly trying to find ways to be offended or just outright negative on everything in general. It seeps into every conversation and you feel like you're constantly on the edge of some kind of screaming match.

My advice is to basically avoid the subject altogether if it turns out that they're actually bad and not just passionate. Try to find other stuff to talk about.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Thread title reads like the name of a sitcom on TV.

"radical anarchist feminist sometimes speaking with you can be so... Uuuugh I mean man o man"

"don't you mean woman o woman?!"

*audience laughter*

 

[B!TCH]

I don't get it. They're just people. Relax and try not to be so socially inept.

 

[dude]

Most "radical anarchists" are tumblr kids that saw too many memes. They're usually hardly as aggressive in real life.
I'm saying this as a "radical leftist". When you first start describing yourself as anarchist like all about that "Smash the White-cis-hetero patriarchy!" online, but most people cannot summon the audacity to actually say anything like that in real life outside of a protest. Also, it mostly passes once you realize nobody cares about your angry facebook posts because all your friends agree with you anyway.

TL;DR - They're basically like nerds, only with a different group language.

 

[Alcotholic]

Yeah, labeling someone in a pejorative manner based on their Facebook posts is not the brightest thing to do. Would you want to be judged purely on your Gaf posts? They probably haven't actually changed that much at all. You just see their political views via Facebook memes and posts and clearly don't otherwise have interaction with them.

As well it should be, it's fundamental attribution bias. If the question is "is this massive assumption I'm making about someone's personality correct" the answer is basically always no.

I don't think that this is all she is about. I know it's a huge focus of her life and a few other friends, so obviously she is different from when I last hung out with her. I just wouldn't want to be put into an awkward situation.

 

[Kurdel]

So let me get this straight, you are thinking of seeing these friends again? Just do it, instead of stalking facebook and asking gaf.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I don't think that this is all she is about. I know it's a huge focus of her life and a few other friends, so obviously she is different from when I last hung out with her. I just wouldn't want to be put into an awkward situation.

If you were good friends and stick your foot in your mouth for any reason, just apologize. I doubt they're going to attack you if you are apologetic and your friend would probably know from your time together you didn't mean it maliciously. It might be awkward but they can be fixed.

 

[Alcotholic]

So let me get this straight, you are thinking of seeing these friends again? Just do it, instead of stalking facebook and asking gaf.

I'm also just curious about your guy's thoughts.

 

[Dice]

Just ask them about all the accomplishments their activism has resulted in.

 

[Lomax]

I don't think that this is all she is about. I know it's a huge focus of her life and a few other friends, so obviously she is different from when I last hung out with her. I just wouldn't want to be put into an awkward situation.

I mean, if you walk up to her and go "hey, I hear you're a militant feminist now" then you're probably creating the awkward situation. If you think her political views are important to her and you don't agree with them, you may not want to get together. But it almost sounds like you're concerned she won't approve of you, more than that you don't approve of her.

 

[Chinner]

"radical anarchist feminist sometimes speaking with you can be so... Uuuugh I mean man o man"

"don't you mean woman o woman?!"

*audience laughter*

In today's episode, radical anarchist feminist challenges society to remove labels associated with gender.

"Why are manhole covers have the prefix 'man' at the beginning? This only allows systematic control of society and is a metaphor for the middle classes who control us"

"Watch out for that banana peel, radical anarchist feminist!"

Radical anarchist feminist slips on the banana, and goes face first into a freshly baked apple pie that is on a window ledge.

"Not again.... And people say I'm a tart!"

Audience laughter.

 

[Kurdel]

I'm also just curious about your guy's thoughts.

I want the thread AFTER the meet up.

It's not like 6 years and some college will turn her into french canadian feminist and politician Manon Massé.

Spoiler

But what if it did? we have to know

 

[Gilby]

Does THEY use the word Radical or is your idea of being a radical ?

Because "radical feminism" (mostly commonly found on the web as "rad fem") is a sub theory based on the second wave feminist that is full of sex negative transphobic racist weirdos.



That is called intersectional feminism. If you have problems with the word "fem" on front you MIGHT not feel as "egalitation" as you might think =P

I'm totally fine with calling gender-related stuff feminism, but trying to force race and gay rights under that title seems, well, forced.

 

[Lomax]

In today's episode, radical anarchist feminist challenges society to remove labels associated with gender.

"Why are manhole covers have the prefix 'man' at the beginning? This only allows systematic control of society and is a metaphor for the middle classes who control us"

"Watch out for that banana peel, radical anarchist feminist!"

Radical anarchist feminist slips on the banana, and goes face first into a freshly baked apple pie that is on a window ledge.

"Not again.... And people say I'm the tart!"

Audience laughter.

I was disappointed when she didn't slip and fall down the man hole. You set the joke up and didn't deliver!

I'm totally fine with calling gender-related stuff feminism, but trying to force race and gay rights under that title seems, well, forced.

That's the "intersectional" part. It's where those things, you know, intersect.

 

[Lambtron]

Look I totally suggest sitting down and explaining to them why egalitarianism is more inclusive than feminism, that should start things off on the right foot.

My partner is a fairly radical intersectional feminist, we still manage to have a ton of stupid fun.

 

[travisbickle]

They're probably not that radical. They post on Facebook.

 

[Reneledarker]

Oh. I thought this would be about Emma Goldman.

Or Voltairine de Cleyre

 

[Carcetti]

Just ask them about all the accomplishments their activism has resulted in.

Exactly. Any civil rights related activism is useless unless the activist in question has immediately managed to heavily influence their society, right?

 

[Platy]

I'm totally fine with calling gender-related stuff feminism, but trying to force race and gay rights under that title seems, well, forced.

Race enters because the type of sexism black women suffer is different from the sexism white women suffer, for example. Even expectations of what means to be male changes from white boys to black ones.

LGBT rights enter in 728 ways, with patriarchy and toxic masculinity being strong forces of all types of homophobia and transphobia ("be a man !"), the sexism in people seeing lesbians as an invite to threesome or simply how the society has LOTS of problems with women displaying any sexuality.

And that is just the most obvious examples

Exactly. Any civil rights related activism is useless unless the activist in question has immediately managed to heavily influence their society, right?

This.
Which makes Pokemon Go a pretty big social activism movement

 

[Tapejara]

I'm totally fine with calling gender-related stuff feminism, but trying to force race and gay rights under that title seems, well, forced.

Feminism needs to take into account the perspectives of different people; black feminists, white feminists, gay feminists, trans feminists are all going to have different experiences. Feminism can and does overlap with a variety of different issues. I agree that feminism probably shouldn't be the main term for discussing societal issues, but unfortunately the word egalitarian has been hijacked by some rather unsavoury people (this isn't directed at you OP!). Intersectional feminsim is great, but for a more general term I just stick with progressive.

 

[timetokill]

Hmmm

I'm trying to think of how you'd enforce feminist ideals in an anarchist society

 

[sphagnum]

I consider myself an egalitarian as opposed to a feminist, because it seems much a much more inclusive ideology that considers all issues- men, women, black, white, gay, straight, cis, transgender, etc. without the excessive exclusion of the other movements.

So, just my thoughts.
Are radical anarchist feminists as intense as they seem?

Feminism doesn't exclude other movements; if anything, it requires them to be whole, just like socialism requires an understanding of feminism and anti-racism or else it only partially does its job, or anti-racism without feminism is only half effective. Women hold up half the sky.

These people sound pretty cool though unless it turns out they're the type of radems who dislike trans people.

I say meet them!

 

[Lomax]

This.
Which makes Pokemon Go a pretty big social activism movement

Well, it's certainly bringing young adults back to church.

 

[hodgy100]

Look I totally suggest sitting down and explaining to them why egalitarianism is more inclusive than feminism, that should start things off on the right foot.

My partner is a fairly radical intersectional feminist, we still manage to have a ton of stupid fun.

Feminism is part of being egalitarian...

 

[kame-sennin]

I'll be going back home to visit some old friends and family soon and I haven't talked to many of my old high school mates since college. A lot of them have changed in the past 6 years and I have a general understanding of their personality through Facebook. Many of the girls I was close friends with have become huge activists and spend a lot of their time focusing on feminist theory and protesting. I have no problem with this and support their efforts to spread awareness, but I am a little afraid to actually see them as they seem very aggressive with their viewpoints of "smashing the patriarchy" and "bringing down white supremacy", as well as "abolishing the police".
I've talked to my close friend from home and he says it's kinda awkward to hang around them since they only talk about local politics and find most things offensive. I would feel judged upon by them for not really doing much. I think they would have a "with us or against us mentality"
I consider myself an egalitarian as opposed to a feminist, because it seems much a much more inclusive ideology that considers all issues- men, women, black, white, gay, straight, cis, transgender, etc. without the excessive exclusion of the other movements.

So, just my thoughts.
Are radical anarchist feminists as intense as they seem?

It sounds like spending some time with them will be good for you.

 

[Chinner]

I was disappointed when she didn't slip and fall down the man hole. You set the joke up and didn't deliver!

That happens at the end of the episode. It's the big joke which everyone will chuckle at.

 

[stilgar]

Labels. It makes people comfortable.
"I identify as" is already self-labelling territory.
I dunno OP, I think I'd be real tired really quickly from this wannabee toughness.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

What does Feminism have to do with Anarchy? They are polar opposites of each other.

 

[Dice]

Exactly. Any civil rights related activism is useless unless the activist in question has immediately managed to heavily influence their society, right?

I'm not the person to snap back at because mine wasn't a snap, trust me.

If his worry manifests into reality and he gets shit for not doing enough, he can likely point out how his involvement may not have resulted in much even if he gave the majority of his life to it, and thus endear some compassion for his less bold inclination. Yet if it so turns out they have accomplished a lot in their activism, it opens up a lot of conversation for them to talk about themselves, which takes focus off him, and by him showing interest it demonstrates his support even if he hadn't had the same level of action in his own life.

 

[Alcotholic]

Feminism needs to take into account the perspectives of different people; black feminists, white feminists, gay feminists, trans feminists are all going to have different experiences. Feminism can and does overlap with a variety of different issues. I agree that feminism probably shouldn't be the main term for discussing societal issues, but unfortunately the word egalitarian has been hijacked by some rather unsavoury people (this isn't directed at you OP!). Intersectional feminsim is great, but for a more general term I just stick with progressive.

I only judge based on actions, not appearance. My only exposure of feminism is based on what I read or watch online and formulate my own opinions. Tumblr feminists certainly do not represent the full movement as I'm sure majority are extremely reasonable people. But I try to disassociate myself from these modern movements as they could be too exclusionary towards many people. It could be the most in offensive, middle-of-the-road belief, but I'm a fairly non confrontational guy.
Although it's hard to really pinpoint where my political views lie when most of my discussions are with my queer anarchist faerie brother who debates the beliefs of Jesus Christ and the pros and cons of zoophilia and veganism.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

Why do you even speak to people like that?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I actually came into contact with some people who were close to what you're describing. Met my first open Communist too, which was fun. I'm a political nerd, so even if I don't agree with you, I'm still curious to hear about your worldview.

I never really got into it with someone about anything. I'm pretty liberal myself but it was like listening to a parody of liberals on King of the Hill. As wild and off the wall as these people got sometimes, I can't really argue against the basis of their philosophy. Being more inclusive should be something we strive towards. That's why it's hard to take my conservative friends seriously because their argument is usually not coming from a place of understanding. It's the majority telling a minority group how it should be all the time. Which just doesn't seem right.

Also, I never got the scent of any animus against me as a man just for being a man. And I'm talking about some ultra super mega radical feminist. Like these are the women organizing the marches and events. Even if I don't use the same language as them all the time, I think any group is going to appreciate it if you at least try to hear them out. Which I have no problem doing. I'm a guy. I've always been a straight guy. I have no concept of what it's like to be a woman today.

 

[uncelestial]

Are radical anarchist feminists as intense as they seem?

Suprisingly, most of life doesn't boil down to divisive cultural news items that get drudge sirened into a political froth and plastered across social media. You could very well be just fine.

I'm not sure "anarchist feminists" are really a thing. There's basically nice people and angry people. I know some really sweethearted radical feminists, but they aren't "anarchists." Anarchism is an intellectual joke to most people; if that's their vibe then you might find yourself catching some shit.

But you know, feminist or not, a jerk is a jerk and if someone is a jerk to me I just blow them off. If they're jerks to you, do the same. Just because they are trying to support a good thing doesn't mean they are nice people, good friends, or fun to be around, nor does it mean you owe them anything.