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[Kacho]

I wanted to clarify because sometimes people exchange my drive for anger.

Nothing but love, man

 

[BennyBlanco]

Easy to say what you would've done as you fart in an office chair at work a week later. Now consider youre a drunk carney in a ref uniform. You have been watching guys pretend to punch each other for hours. You probably wouldn't even think a person would do what Raja did. In all your years of a being a drunk carney watching this junk it has never happened before.

I thought the same thing when I first watched it. Why did nobody stop it? But you have to put yourself in the disgusting shoes of the people who were standing there in arm's reach. I also think I wouldn't have been scared to stop it. Just wrap him up from behind and hold him there until his murderous rage subsides. But who knows. Easy to say now.

 

[nbcjr]

So instead of getting arrested he gets a new job https://www.tmz.com/2025/08/29/quinton-rampage-jackson-son-booked-wrestling-show/

 

[Grildon Tundy]

So instead of getting arrested he gets a new job https://www.tmz.com/2025/08/29/quinton-rampage-jackson-son-booked-wrestling-show/

Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown/LA.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

So instead of getting arrested he gets a new job https://www.tmz.com/2025/08/29/quinton-rampage-jackson-son-booked-wrestling-show/

10:16 AM PT -- The venue slated to host the upcoming Danger Pro Wrestling event tells TMZ Sports ... Raja Jackson will not be allowed in.

Additionally, the event space tells us to its knowledge, Jackson was never part of the card ... and the org. merely used Thursday's post as a way to drum up interest.

 

[violence]

So instead of getting arrested he gets a new job https://www.tmz.com/2025/08/29/quinton-rampage-jackson-son-booked-wrestling-show/

He should wrestle the guy that booked him

 

[GymWolf]

nobody is saying it's the only option, simply that it's a matter of fact that humans will behave differently in various situations because humans are not a hive mind or programmed to behave exactly the same; and since it's not the actors' job to handle the situation in such a manner, it's unreasonable to place any blame on them, the only one that has any fault is the animal that committed the attack.

My point is that it doesn't need to be your job to try and save a human life, that type of defense doesn't resonate with me, everything else is fair play, kinda...

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

My point is that it doesn't need to be your job to try and save a human life

nobody is saying this either, just that you can only put that burden on someone if it's actually their job, not simply because they were around and you now have all the hindsight in the world to dictate their actions.

 

[GymWolf]

nobody is saying this either, just that you can only put that burden on someone if it's actually their job, not simply because they were around and you now have all the hindsight in the world to dictate their actions.

I understand but i can't fully agree. if that was my friend and i didn't helped at all and just watched someone raining almost 30 punches on him, his mother would have all the reasons to shit on me and i would not have anything to say in my defence, this is how i feel.

 

[Fermbiz]

Get your tickets while their hot!

 

[poodaddy]

I understand but i can't fully agree. if that was my friend and i didn't helped at all and just watched someone raining almost 30 punches on him, his mother would have all the reasons to shit on me and i would not have anything to say in my defence, this is how i feel.

Life is simpler than people make it out to be brother.

You're either a force for good, or you're part of the problem. I agree that this ref proved he is not a force for good, so.....

 

[GymWolf]

Put him against ngannou, and double team of referees with mazzagatti and yamasaki

 

[GymWolf]

Life is simpler than people make it out to be brother.

You're either a force for good, or you're part of the problem. I agree that this ref proved he is not a force for good, so.....

no dude, i don't wanna sound like an extremist, i can understand reizo point of view.

life is not always black and white even if in this particualr case, it really feel like it...

I'm sorry guys.

 

[FeralEcho]

Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown/LA.

Seems like this outcome will be as devastating as that of that incredible movie....

The rich guy just gets away with it...

Unfuckingbelievable,a disgrace to whatever the hell justice represents in the USA!

EDIT: NEVERMIND,seems like they won't let him in. Hopefully LAPD can take a break from their 7 day donut run and start doing their goddamn job by then.

 

[poodaddy]

no dude, i don't wanna sound like an extremist, i can understand reizo point of view.

life is not always black and white even if in this particualr case, it really feel like it...

I'm sorry guys.

You have nothing to be sorry for at all brother, and I'm not saying Reizo is wrong necessarily, but I do think that right is right and wrong is wrong. I've taught my daughter the same. I don't care for extremism, but when someone's getting their face caved in by a maniac, even if that maniac is dangerous, you fucking help and that's that. I'm not saying the ref should be arrested or anything, but he should have helped and that's simply a fact. If humans showed more compassion for each other and tried to always do the right thing without overthinking the "why" and "how" of it all, this world would be a much better place.

You're alright brother, don't ever apologize for a strong moral compass, it's why you're a good goddamn person and I find it laudable in literally all situations.

 

[Trilobit]

Get your tickets while their hot!

Bro's going to end up killing someone if he doesn't get locked up. If he went off like that on a wrestler who apologized then it's just a matter of time. It might be someone in a ring or someone in a pub, but the trajectory is pretty much set in stone.

 

[rkofan87]

all you ref Defenders need to see this.

 

[demigod]

You all not blaming the referee more is disgusting. The referee should be fired maybe even sued, if not arrested.

A) The modern pro wrestling ref absolutely has duty towards the safety and health of the wrestlers.
B) "wElL iT'S nOt HiS jOb To StOp A mAn BeInG bEaTeN tO dEaTh SiX iNcHeS aWaY fRoM hIm" is a cancerous position, and if you think like that congrats you make the world a worse place.

In Seinfeld it would have been the good Samaritan law.

I would think this ref will have a hard time getting work in this industry after this.

Then again, seems like very action is taking place. WWE severed ties with them but I would have thought knocx pro would have made some official statement that they were clearing house.

Still no news on Raja Jackson being arrested , if LAPD is going to be this slow to act can't we get Dog the Bounty Hunter or someone to go after him?

A dude on reddit proclaimed himself to be an amateur referee for wrestling for the past 10 years and the list of things these dude have to do is pretty long, and a good part of that is related to maintaining fighters healthy is some way, i'm trying to find the post because it was a very big ass list.
Maybe it's not the same for every organization vut i wanted to point out that.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that nobody is gonna go out of their way to offer a job to this dude, he has to hope that this thing doesn't explode even more and his face\name doesn't become public enough.

The whole promotion is looking sketchy and amateurish to say the least and i bet rumors travel between these amateur wrestling organizations...

I hope stu sue the whole promotion to oblivion, they are acting like turds, but it doesn't look like the vindictive type.

It's not the fake refs job to stop these. You guys have been told repeatedly that even Doug was getting punched by Raja. He could've been fucked up as well. You might as well blame the crowd while you're at it because they didn't "intervene".

We don't even know if the ref knew the punches were real or if he knew about the late changes to the script. If he went away from the script he could potentially be fired. The only ones to blame is Raja, his shitty dad Rampage, Cowboy and the organization.

Well, the ref isn't stupid. The guy that ended up breaking up the fight got punched in the face. Everybody there is probably only doing this as a hobby.

I know this organization is more amateur, but I'm thinking they bent the rules a little bit because they felt bad about the can incident. Cowboy hat guy was telling Raja to stiff him but I'm sure only once at most. The guy that ended up breaking up the fight (Doug) was approached by people that said "something isn't right" and and asked him to help out just in case. So I think somebody there was watching the Raja stream and Doug was the only one that had real fighting experience.

Again, I'm really curious to see how this all lands legally. One of the lawyer videos that I saw made me think he's going to get single-digit prison time at most, since attempted murder is harder to prove.

Raja would have murdered that ref if he tried to intervene

 

[CokeDiet]

It's not the fake refs job to stop these. You guys have been told repeatedly that even Doug was getting punched by Raja. He could've been fucked up as well.

We don't even know if the ref knew the punches were real or if he knew about the late changes to the script. If he went away from the script he could potentially be fired. The only ones to blame is Raja, his shitty dad Rampage, Cowboy and the organization.

The ref didn't do anything. He froze up on the spot. He could have tackled him off, he could have put an arm around his neck and pulled him off. He presumably knew Stu well and didn't have the balls to stop it. If he acted quickly on the spot other guys would have been in there before Raja turned around and faced him.

They honestly should have never even let Raja get in the ring to begin with. Didn't anyone noticed him yelling at his 12 year old following on his phone and think this shit shouldn't go any further. Not to mention how he was in the initial encounter in the back area.

 

[rkofan87]

The ref didn't do anything. He froze up on the spot. He could have tackled him off, he could have put an arm around his neck and pulled him off. He presumably knew Stu well and didn't have the balls to stop it. If he acted quickly on the spot other guys would have been in there before Raja turned around and faced him.

They honestly should have never even let Raja get in the ring to begin with. Didn't anyone noticed him yelling at his 12 year old following on his phone and think this shit shouldn't go any further. Not to mention how he was in the initial encounter in the back area.

I've seen a lot of people defending this ref giving him grace. He's an actor he's an actor I've never heard of a rough, being an actor before never heard of that c***, but it doesn't matter. The referee froz and he should be fired from The wrestling business

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I've seen a lot of people defending this ref giving him grace. He's an actor he's an actor I've never heard of a rough, being an actor before never heard of that c***, but it doesn't matter. The referee froz and he should be fired from The wrestling business

Yup.

Makes no difference or sense for a ref to stay on the sidelines.

If there's a fist fight at school, work or at a bar, as long as it's not something lethal like a guy waving a guy or slashing a knife, the right thing to do is gang tackle the guy to stop it. And the more people to help the better. Unfortunately, it took some time for the wrestlers to run in from the locker room to help out while dumbass ref stood there and did zero. No different than once in a while you hear about a wacky guy on an airplane and a bunch of guys jump in and subdue him. They dont just sit there and wait for cops to show up at the gate 2 hours later to get him.

You dont just stand there and let the guy punch a guy to death waiting for the cops to show up in 10 minutes.