Rasheed Wallace on meeting George W. Bush...

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Good job Sheed! He's always been the ideal citizen. ;p

But seriously, it's good that he has the balls to speak his mind.
 
I had the chance to meet Jimmy Carter. I didn't agree with much that he did but that didn't stop me from shaking his hand and introducing myself. If Wallace doesn't want to meet Bush, he can always pull a John Elway and not go.
 
I like how they shook hands anyway. Bush probably whispered into Rasheed's ear "You know, I can have you killed"
 
Manics said:
I like how they shook hands anyway. Bush probably whispered into Rasheed's ear "You know, I can have you killed"
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you know what makes it funnier? I read it like this: "You know, I can have killed you" :lol
 
Even some of the most adamant democrats have said that they enjoy George W. on a personal level. Friendships happen between people with opposing views all the time. I don't agree with my brother on a single thing and I'm disgusted with some of the stuff he does, but we still get along great. I'm sure he feels the same way about me.

And are you really comparing our president to Satan? Give me a break. Some people on this forum have gone too far off of the deep end.
 
olimario said:
Even some of the most adamant democrats have said that they enjoy George W. on a personal level. Friendships happen between people with opposing views all the time. I don't agree with my brother on a single thing and I'm disgusted with some of the stuff he does, but we still get along great. I'm sure he feels the same way about me.
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Believe it or not, some of the most ardent Democrats in this country are in the same boat as president Bush (nothing possible without God, morals, values, etc.). I can personally say that I don't think I'd be comfortable around anyone who makes claims that they "communicate with the Lord on a daily basis" or that "leading this country without belief in God is impossible." Therefore, I can pretty much say, without hesitation, that I don't think I'd get along with George W. Bush. I'm sure Rasheed has his own reasons for saying that.

And Oli, I'm sure you've never pre-judged someone based on their reputation and past actions. Guys like Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson are probably A-OK in your book.
 
Nerevar said:
Believe it or not, some of the most ardent Democrats in this country are in the same boat as president Bush (nothing possible without God, morals, values, etc.). I can personally say that I don't think I'd be comfortable around anyone who makes claims that they "communicate with the Lord on a daily basis" or that "leading this country without belief in God is impossible." Therefore, I can pretty much say, without hesitation, that I don't think I'd get along with George W. Bush. I'm sure Rasheed has his own reasons for saying that.

And Oli, I'm sure you've never pre-judged someone based on their reputation and past actions. Guys like Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson are probably A-OK in your book.
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Completely baseless, closed-minded claim. You never know until you spend time with somebody.
And you know what, I give everyone the same chance. I'm friends with people all over the spectrum.
 
I'm not comparing Dubya to Satan, no. What I'm saying is that a person is initially based on his actions. Say that Wallace didn't like the Iraqi War- he's immediately taking into account what Dubya has been doing there and takes bias based on that. It's nearly an unconscious decision- if you think about it, I'm sure there's somebody you could think about that you don't particularly like due to their actions.
 
Jim Bowie said:
I'm not comparing Dubya to Satan, no. What I'm saying is that a person is initially based on his actions. Say that Wallace didn't like the Iraqi War- he's immediately taking into account what Dubya has been doing there and takes bias based on that. It's nearly an unconscious decision- if you think about it, I'm sure there's somebody you could think about that you don't particularly like due to their actions.
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There have been people I don't like in theory based on their views or actions, but I've learned through my life that you can't judge a book by its cover. I'm friends with people now that I've really disliked before getting to know them, so I make it a point now to give everyone a chance. I've found life is a lot easier without baseless bias and hatred towards people.

I know it doesn't reflect on the forum all the time, but this isn't the purest form of interaction. Something about being online makes the jackass side of me flare up.
 
Anyone who would trample over my rights, or rights I would otherwise have, could never be a friend in my book. That's obviously very personal. Besides anything else I may not like Bush for.
 
Dsal said:
"Both candidates played hard"
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:lol

Man, I'm glad he's out of Portland. Detroit's the perfect place for him, he's like this generation's Bill Lambeer, only more of an asshole.

Nathan
 
gblues said:
:lol

Man, I'm glad he's out of Portland. Detroit's the perfect place for him, he's like this generation's Bill Lambeer, only more of an asshole.

Nathan
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I actually really like the guy. His years in Blazerland were always... interesting, but he was his own Man with a capital M and the man can ball. Off the court, he's a quiet devoted family man who does a lot of community service.

I thought the both teams played hard thing was a brilliant satire of the insipid forced media post-game interview sessions.

I was really happy for him when he won his championship. It's too bad he couldn't do it back here in Portland but I don't hold a grudge.
 
olimario said:
Completely baseless, closed-minded claim. You never know until you spend time with somebody.
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My, you're arrogant. How do you feel about Osama Bin Laden? He might not be a bad guy, gotta give him a chance. And Saddam Hussein - he might've killed thousands of innocent people, but you never know until you spend time with someone. And hell, Hitler probably wasn't so bad, except for that whole "kill all the Jews" thing. I mean, you never know until you meet someone.

olimario said:
And you know what, I give everyone the same chance. I'm friends with people all over the spectrum.
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See above post. My two best friends are a devout Christian and a devout Muslim. I also know certain topics are off-limits when I speak to them, which sucks, but it's just the way things are. However, we share certain opinions that are contrary to their dogma (alcohol, recreational drug use), as well as a lot in common that can override our differences (we play video games together, we share similar interests in sports), that it is easy enough to find an "out". Everything I've heard from the mouth of GWB has been contradictory to that though. I can honestly take stock of my beliefs and opinions, compare those to the public persona of a man like George W. Bush, and derive that I wouldn't like the guy. My values on almost every subject are contrary. I'm sure Rasheed Wallace can do the same thing. Stating that "you give everyone the same chance" is not only completely unbelievable (see above examples, as well as more benign ones - child molestors? Rapists? Murderers? At what point do you think it's ok to prejudge someone Olimario?), it's completely out of line with the opinion of every human being I've personally known.
 
olimario said:
There have been people I don't like in theory based on their views or actions, but I've learned through my life that you can't judge a book by its cover.
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What about a man who raped his children before drowning them in a bathtub. Would you give him a chance to show how nice a guy he was, and if it turned out he was cordial, would you accept that impression as a benchmark for his personality and how you view him?
 
Mike Works said:
What about a man who raped his children before drowning them in a bathtub. Would you give him a chance to show how nice a guy he was, and if it turned out he was cordial, would you accept that impression as a benchmark for his personality and how you view him?
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It's hard to say, of course, but that's a radical example. My neighbor pulled a rifle on his wife and was arrested, but he turned out to be a pretty nice guy once I got to know him.
 
So I guess you can't dislike someone based on their stupid actions, instead having to dislike them personally beforehand. Otherwise, the dislike isn't grounded in reality.

:lol
 
"I don't agree with him, but of course I'm grateful for the honor of meeting the President of the United States" or something like that would have been more appropriate. If I met Bill Clinton and someone asked me what I thought about it, I might say any number of things but "I don't have [expletive] to say to him. I didn't vote for him. It's just something we have to do" would not be one of them.
 
olimario said:
It's hard to say, of course, but that's a radical example.
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hahahaha

You think THAT is a radical example?

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There was a death and murder and tyranny in Iraq long before George W Bush invaded. But if you think the raping and murder of 2 or 3 children is radical compared to what Bush has done, you need a reality check.
 
Olimario, go post more nude pictures of yourself on OA. You're being a dick. Wallace may, as millions of other people do, have have a deep hatred for what he perceives as the evil atrocities that Bush and Co. have committed. Do you think he would give a fuck how much charisma the guy has in person? I myself don't give a shit how nice Bush may be in person (in public). If I met him and it weren't for the Secret Service, I'd spit in his face and walk away. His actions as commander in chief mean far, far more to me than his personality.
 
olimario said:
There have been people I don't like in theory based on their views or actions, but I've learned through my life that you can't judge a book by its cover. I've found life is a lot easier without baseless bias and hatred towards people.
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That's just naivete and blind optimisim. There's hardly anything baseless about disliking a man who's largely directly impacting 250 million lives on a daily basis and, in my opinion, in a generally negative way. Besides, I'm sure Bush is loads of fun one-on-one. Just think: unfiltered gaffes all day long.
 
I was going to say the same thing, Mike. Of all the examples of radical beings, olimario singled out the hypothecial murderer of 2 over OBL, Saddam, and Bush.

"Well, that murder is a RADICAL example."

:lol
 
demon said:
Olimario, go post more nude pictures of yourself on OA. You're being a dick. Wallace may, as millions of other people do, have have a deep hatred for what he perceives as the evil atrocities that Bush and Co. have committed. Do you think he would give a fuck how much charisma the guy has in person? I myself don't give a shit how nice Bush may be in person (in public). If I met him and it weren't for the Secret Service, I'd spit in his face and walk away. His actions as commander in chief mean far, far more to me than his personality.
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Dude, it's all good and well. As Bush "doesn't see how you can operate as commander in chief without God."

:lol
 
This reminds me of an argument a friend and I had once. He mentioned something about some dude wearing a Che shirt and how it pissed him off. He goes on about how he was an executioner and blah, blah and all sorts of evil. I made some comment about how people believe the ends will justify the means. He went into some sort of fit and I asked him if he supported the Iraq war and he said yes.
 
Maybe 'Sheed should have just done what Michael Jordan did in 1991 when he blew off Bush Sr. and went golfing with friends instead.
 
olimario said:
Very classy, Rasheed. Don't give the guy a chance on a personal level. :\
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Olimario, I hope you out of all people are not making a judgement on Rasheed Wallace. After all, you have never met him in person
 
ghostface said:
Olimario, I hope you out of all people are not making a judgement on Rasheed Wallace. After all, you have never met him in person
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To be fair to olimario, I once saw Wallace commit a flagrant foul on an opposing player who was driving to the hoop.

Granted, that is a radical example.
 
What about a man who raped his children before drowning them in a bathtub. Would you give him a chance to show how nice a guy he was, and if it turned out he was cordial, would you accept that impression as a benchmark for his personality and how you view him?
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As long as his daughter din't have an abortion, he got the death penalty, and he didn't let them watch Spongebob, yes.
 
olimario said:
It's hard to say, of course, but that's a radical example. My neighbor pulled a rifle on his wife and was arrested, but he turned out to be a pretty nice guy once I got to know him.
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OH FUCKING SHIT!!!! :lol
 
olimario said:
It's hard to say, of course, but that's a radical example. My neighbor pulled a rifle on his wife and was arrested, but he turned out to be a pretty nice guy once I got to know him.
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This may well be the most mindblowing defense of your statements I've seen here. It is even more mindblowing taking how everybody can remember your history of self-righteous prejudges bassed largely on your moral and political views.
 
Funky Papa said:
This may well be the most mindblowing defense of your statements I've seen here. It is even more mindblowing taking how everybody can remember your history of self-righteous prejudges bassed largely on your moral and political views.
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well maybe the neighbor was a rightwing Christian Republican. possibly.
 
Dsal said:
I thought the both teams played hard thing was a brilliant satire of the insipid forced media post-game interview sessions.
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Exactly...the media are full of fucking morons, so it fills my heart with joy when the athletes mock 'em for being so.







soundwave05 said:
Maybe 'Sheed should have just done what Michael Jordan did in 1991 when he blew off Bush Sr. and went golfing with friends instead.
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:lol Just for that, I'm now a MJ fan.








Mike Works said:
To be fair to olimario, I once saw Wallace commit a flagrant foul on an opposing player who was driving to the hoop.

Granted, that is a radical example.
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:lol :lol :lol

I wouldn't even shake Bush's hand, nevermind say anything to him. I've never understood this brainwashed mentality of always loving and respecting the President regardless of what you believe. If you don't like the guy, why be a phoney and pretend otherwise? The US is all about freedom after all...or so I'm told.

That doesn't just go for Bush either...if I don't like a company CEO, union leader, co-worker or whoever, I'm not gonna play all nice, shake their hand and smile as part of some meet and greet, as if to validate their own public stance. Which means I'm either gonna tell that person that they're a dickweed, or I simply won't say anything at all. The latter option is obviously the better choice.
 
Well, I believe that Bush is an evil trickster, and even i wouldnt be rude to him like that, just avoid himm all together.
 
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