"Reactions" on Youtube and being transformative enough to merit monetization

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This issue has cropped up and been addressed by several Youtubers lately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE2tbCfvn4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykaJD7BFPWE

There are a huge amount of people doing 'reaction content' on Youtube now and making money from it.

Basically the idea is that you dedicate a small part of the screen to the "thing you are reacting to" and then having a person watching that content 'react' to it. The most prominent of these ""reactors"" have hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

The question is, is this really transformative in any way? Many of the reaction content I see just puts the ENTIRETY OF THE THING (for example, a 24 minute god damned television episode of something in the corner) and then the larger part of the screen is just the dudes face reacting to the entirety of that content, no editing, no production, just basically a webcam staring at a guy watching something that isn't giving ANY money back to the original creator of the content they're reacting to.

Now, I'll admit. I like seeing people react to stuff, it's cool sometimes. That being said, the fact that so many (the vast majority) of these people are not only making money off of this content, they're basically doing the equivalent of using someone's hard work with zero effort and just copy and pasting it on the side of the window or the bottom or whatever in its entirety without editing.

How transformative, really (which is the argument for not getting your shit taken down for copyright infringement) is putting the work in its entirety up but with your face also in the shot, without editing? You're basically watching something that people worked on (whether it be a full episode of anime, or some youtube video someone made) and re-mirroring it to make money off of it by putting your face on the side of it as it plays the full length.

At least game stuff has a leg to stand on in that playthroughs of games aren't always exactly the same every time.
 
I suppose the "transformative" aspect comes from the reactor doing something different enough with "their" reaction to get people to watch.

I doubt that being transformative is really the goal though.
 
I guess people are watching those videos for the "reactions" so I suppose it's fair they be monetized.

That said, every reaction video is garbagio. The "kids / old people react" thing can at least be argued to be giving you a sample of what x demographic thinks of y, but the MAX REACTS 2 LATEST SMASH CHARACTER videos are beyond bad.
 
I suppose the "transformative" aspect comes from the reactor doing something different enough with "their" reaction to get people to watch.

I doubt that being transformative is really the goal though.

Well, that's the problem. It NEEDS to be transformative if they're making money off of it, otherwise they're just stealing other people's shit and putting their face on the side, basically serving the function of those streaming sites that upload rips of popular TV shows but with a dude watching the video at the same time as you.

I guess people are watching those videos for the "reactions" so I suppose it's fair they be monetized.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjpLvXw0tBY

This is literally the entirety of One Punch Man Episode 12 but with some guy reacting to it.
 
Although i don't have any interest in watching people react to things i don't think it's a problem if they just show snippets of what they are reacting to and/or screengrabs but straight up stealing other people content and showing it from start to finish and making money off that content is complete fucking horse shit and i would of thought YT would have some kind of system in place protecting the people who make them money.
 
Wait, do they not even talk or "snark"? Is it basically them just passively watching with facial reactions?

Does every YouTuber (this guy included) feel the need to have a crappy animeish avatar? This always weirds me out. You think they could at least get a decent one comissioned
 
Lots of people make decent money for doing minor amounts of work. A couple hundred people on YouTube can profit off of reaction videos, so good for them. They wouldn't be making the videos if people didn't like watching them.
 
I guess people are watching those videos for the "reactions" so I suppose it's fair they be monetized.

That said, every reaction video is garbagio. The "kids / old people react" thing can at least be argued to be giving you a sample of what x demographic thinks of y, but the MAX REACTS 2 LATEST SMASH CHARACTER videos are beyond bad.

This one is a shame, because Maximilian puts out solid and entertaining videos about fighting games in general but his reaction videos are terribly overblown and pandering.
 
you remember a few years ago there was that french chick that would do videos talking nonsense but the videos were labeled as discussion on some current event?
 
I guess people are watching those videos for the "reactions" so I suppose it's fair they be monetized.
Not the point.

The point is these reactors are posting the entire video they react to next to their face and making money off of it. The entire video.
 
I want to see Korean girls reacting to this thread.
I think those videos are a good example of where they fulfill the transformative aspect. They're clearly edited and staged, for obvious reasons with the explicit stuff you can't even see the original work, and so it adds to our engagement trying to imagine what they're responding to.

An unedited version of one of those girls responding to western porn would be dumb as rocks and fall under what they're bemoaning.
 
Lots of people make decent money for doing minor amounts of work. A couple hundred people on YouTube can profit off of reaction videos, so good for them. They wouldn't be making the videos if people didn't like watching them.

But in this case, it's profiting off of other people's shit by literally just streaming the entire episode and putting their face on it, as an example. This is popular with recent anime episodes, like the one I linked earlier.

More examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jBLOuJYF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_9i4De5rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRt55ipzaKY

Some of these have hundreds of thousands of views and tons of these have the entire unedited final episode of One Punch Man in them.
 
I really like listening to cinema reaction sound videos.

The someone reacts to (insert whatever) are pretty terrible as it's all become about overacting. The Bayonetta gets revealed in Smash videos was the death knell of those videos to me.

The thing with the cinema sound reaction ones are no one knows they're being recorded.
 
I want to see Korean girls reacting to this thread.

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The question is, is this really transformative in any way? Many of the reaction content I see just puts the ENTIRETY OF THE THING (for example, a 24 minute god damned television episode of something in the corner) and then the larger part of the screen is just the dudes face reacting to the entirety of that content, no editing, no production, just basically a webcam staring at a guy watching something that isn't giving ANY money back to the original creator of the content they're reacting to.

No. If it were transformative, then MST3K wouldn't have needed to focus on public domain movies (or films w/permission).

That's also why Rifftrax can only sell you a synced audio file, rather than a merged file with the original movie and their commentary.

This is not a difficult question.
 
Blame the people that watch it. I don't understand it, personally.

People love knowing that they share opinions, views, and reactions with others. They also like seeing different perspectives from other cultures, like when S. Koreans react to western culture stuff. Also, if people like Twitch and Youtube let's plays I can see this as being a branch from that. I don't see how someone can hate a react video but love a 'minecraft let's play' at the same time.
 
Not the point.

The point is these reactors are posting the entire video they react to next to their face and making money off of it. The entire video.

But in this case, it's profiting off of other people's shit by literally just streaming the entire episode and putting their face on it, as an example. This is popular with recent anime episodes, like the one I linked earlier.

More examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jBLOuJYF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_9i4De5rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRt55ipzaKY

Some of these have hundreds of thousands of views and tons of these have the entire unedited final episode of One Punch Man in them.

Alright I didn't actually know this was a thing.

Why do people watch these lol.
 
But in this case, it's profiting off of other people's shit by literally just streaming the entire episode and putting their face on it, as an example. This is popular with recent anime episodes, like the one I linked earlier.

More examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jBLOuJYF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_9i4De5rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRt55ipzaKY

Some of these have hundreds of thousands of views and tons of these have the entire unedited final episode of One Punch Man in them.


But nobody would watch these videos if they weren't watching for the person talking. Because it is a terrible way to watch the actual episode for the sake of the episode,
 
I like watching Tyrone Magnus.

I also like to see people reactions to trailers that I really like just to see what other people think. Its nice to see people get excited about stuff in a sea of negativity on the net.
 
I never got the appeal of these. Like really, do people think these are genuine?

I believe these are as real as the "audience reacts to horror movie" commercials you see for stuff like Paranormal Activity

Maybe I'm just cynical, but every one I've seen seems so over-the-top that it's impossible to take serious as a real reaction
 
Now every tv channel can legally show any film or tv show they want, as long as they have some dude doing sign language in the corner.
 
I never got the appeal of these. Like really, do people think these are genuine?

I believe these are as real as the "audience reacts to horror movie" commercials you see for stuff like Paranormal Activity

Maybe I'm just cynical, but every one I've seen seems so over-the-top that it's impossible to take serious as a real reaction

Do you know that kid that always watched your face to see how you reacted to a movie you were watching but he already saw?

That's what these are for.
 
You can also blame YouTube itself for basically cultivating a generation of idiots who gobble up unoriginal content. My favorite time of year is when the Mega64 boys spoof the upper echelon of "YouTube comedy week" bacon fart jokesters that are perpetually targeting 12 year olds and 12 year olds in 30 year old man bodies.

Let's Plays seem like art compared to some of this new stuff. It's really desperate.
 
What's crazy is how much these have blown up over the past like 2 years. Even dudes who put out their own content incorporate some sort of live reaction these days. Jeremy Jahns did it with the second force awaken trailer, the double toasted review guys do it with trailers, and Angry Joe has picked it up.

And if most of them are to be believed, their fanbases are the ones who ask them to do it.

You can also blame YouTube itself for basically cultivating a generation of idiots who gobble up unoriginal content. My favorite time of year is when the Mega64 boys spoof the upper echelon of "YouTube comedy week" bacon fart jokesters that are perpetually targeting 12 year olds and 12 year olds in 30 year old man bodies.

Let's Plays seem like art compared to some of this new stuff. It's really desperate.

It marginally more respectable than the "v-logger" age when dipshits like RayWilliamJohnson got double digit million views.
 
What's crazy is how much these have blown up over the past like 2 years. Even dudes who put out their own content incorporate some sort of live reaction these days. Jeremy Jahns did it with the second force awaken trailer, the double toasted review guys do it with trailers, and Angry Joe has picked it up.

And if most of them are to be believed, their fanbases are the ones who ask them to do it.

Too bad this shit wasn't around. when I was coming up

Slayven reacts to Death of Superman

Slayven reacts to Streets of Poisson

Slayven reacts to Galactic Storm.
 
Do you know that kid that always watched your face to see how you reacted to a movie you were watching but he already saw?

That's what these are for.
It's less that and more the actual reactions I can't take seriously. Like if you watch some of the reactions from say, Jeremy Jahns or Chris Stuckman. Interested in the trailer, a grin or smile when something cool happens. That I buy

Screaming, jumping out your chair, tears, all that stuff you see in a lot of reaction videos? Nah, I doubt that's real
 
But in this case, it's profiting off of other people's shit by literally just streaming the entire episode and putting their face on it, as an example. This is popular with recent anime episodes, like the one I linked earlier.

More examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0jBLOuJYF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_9i4De5rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRt55ipzaKY

Some of these have hundreds of thousands of views and tons of these have the entire unedited final episode of One Punch Man in them.
Hmmm, that practice seems a bit less defensible. To be honest, I'm really not sure where to draw the line at what's good content and what's bad content. I think the most important thing is why the viewer is watching the content-are they watching it because it's OPM, or are they watching it because they like the reactor?
 
I'm glad Chris Stuckmann has said straight up that he doesn't do reaction videos because he likes to be quiet and focus on what he's watching.

I also hate YouTube being a place where money goes into peddling random geek movie rumours. Like ComicBookMovie in video form with a good budget.
 
But nobody would watch these videos if they weren't watching for the person talking. Because it is a terrible way to watch the actual episode for the sake of the episode,
You'd be surprised. My cousin basically watched the entire Lets Play of The Last of Us with commentary. She felt like she got the entire experience of the game. Which was probably the worst way to enjoy that content, but that's today for ya.
 
Hmmm, that practice seems a bit less defensible. To be honest, I'm really not sure where to draw the line at what's good content and what's bad content. I think the most important thing is why the viewer is watching the content-are they watching it because it's OPM, or are they watching it because they like the reactor?

How does that matter if they're making money off of it? I don't necessarily have a problem if they're just putting it on YT with their face on the side, that's just normal-ass unlawful redistribution of copyrighted works and I don't think that's AS big of a deal.

If you're making money off of someone elses's shit without editing it at all or making it 'transformative' enough to be considered a separate work from the original, like fanart or a 'recut' or a review with snippets of the original film's footage spliced in, I don't think that's very defensible. You're just putting your face on the side.
 
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