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Reggie talks Revolution

shpankey said:
I did... I was talking about this...

"then x360 will just fade away into history."
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Sadly it looks like a likely future. Other than the games MS has really screwed things up. It really does seem to be a dream cast 2.
 
Monk said:
Sadly it looks like a likely future. Other than the games MS has really screwed things up. It really does seem to be a dream cast 2.
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Eh? I think the launch games were pretty lackluster too. Nothing really stood out like say, Dreamcast's launch, or even SSX on PS2.

Anyway, it's nice to hear a game exec like him actually sounding honest and flatout straightforward. He didn't dance around any of the questions and just came out and said, "No. We have better games than PSP coming up. Simple as that."

I like it.
 
I <3 Katamari said:
Eh? I think the launch games were pretty lackluster too. Nothing really stood out like say, Dreamcast's launch, or even SSX on PS2.

Anyway, it's nice to hear a game exec like him actually sounding honest and flatout straightforward. He didn't dance around any of the questions and just came out and said, "No. We have better games than PSP coming up. Simple as that."

I like it.
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Well it isnt that hard when you are ON THE WINNING TEAM! :P
 
John Harker said:
I'm willing to bet Mario Fantasy Football League is a launch or near-launch title.

They would NOT go through all this trouble of "demonastrating" how the Revmote would work with sports (specifically, they've mentioned football SEVERAL times) without utilizing that time and energy for their own development.

They probably came up with some rude graphics and physics for some demos to show EA that it's possible for Madden 2007, but are secretly using all those resources toward launching their own football game.

Hell, it's a new franchise.
It's a sports title.
It uses the Revmote.
It's innovative.
and it's MARIO.


.... everything Nintendo wants to do.
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I think it was Iwata that said Nintendo was researching every game genre to find out what works/is fun and that they were going to share it with 3rd parties. I have no doubt that there are more Mario Sports games in the works (and Pennant Chase Baseball for that matter), but I don't know if we'll see anything at launch. And if we saw one, I'd guess Tennis.
 
I don't think EA is talented or innovative enough to think of that control scheme for a football game.

Hell, I didn't even know it was possible, how exactly do you track down one reciever and throw accurately with the controller? Does the camera come right behind the Quarterback, giving you the most immersive feeling football game ever?
 
That would be tits if Camelot worked with Sega and made Shining Force 4. That or made some Shining Force knock off (like what Berwick Saga is to Fire Emblem).

New franchises would be great...as long as they're fun.

The under $300 comment upsets me because the machine is just a Gamecube x 2. I'm sure as fuck not going to pay $299 for something that costs Nintendo only $150-175.
 
The Experiment said:
The under $300 comment upsets me because the machine is just a Gamecube x 2.
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Well, as I said in the capcom thread, Xbox360 is also Xbox x 2.

Xbox GPU: 250 mhz
Xbox 360 GPU: 500 mhz

:P
 
The Experiment said:
That would be tits if Camelot worked with Sega and made Shining Force 4. That or made some Shining Force knock off (like what Berwick Saga is to Fire Emblem).
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I agree in theory, as long as Sega doesn't allow Camelot to use emoticons. I know they probably wouldn't in a console game, but playing Mario Tennis GBA, the f'in emoticons really drive me up the wall
 
Yeah I'm starting to get the feeling Revolution will be $299.99. We really don't know how much this technology Nintendo is implementing costs. This is the second time the under $300 comment is mentioned, and is a bit surprising. I always thought $199.99 would be a lock for the system.

Remember when a ton of people speculated Revolution may be $99 at launch?

Nintendo wouldn't price their system above the core system???

Speculated prices holiday 2006:

Xbox 360 core: $249.99
Xbox 360 premium: $349.99
PLAYSTATION 3: $399.99
Revolution: $299.99

????
 
Oblivion said:
Well, as I said in the capcom thread, Xbox360 is also Xbox x 2.

Xbox GPU: 250 mhz
Xbox 360 GPU: 500 mhz

:P
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Yeah but the Xbox was expensive to make and cost Microsoft $400+ at the beginning. The Game Cube was sold for a slight loss at the beginning (wasn't it $225 or so?) and quickly made a profit afterwards. I suppose Nintendo might have lost a little money when it dropped to $99. By the time Revolution comes out, the GC prices probably cost $60-70 at the very most.

It all depends on what the technology entails. For $299, it better come with at least two Revmotes and the Wifi better be included. The Revmotes better be packed to the gills with Bluetooth receivers and have Digital audio output (5.1 sound). Nintendo doesn't make cheap software so I have 100% confidence that the average price of software will be $59 for Nintendo games and maybe $49 for the "budget" titles. I wouldn't doubt Nintendo returns to the N64 days for Player's Choice and have the games cost $39.

The Revolution will be $299, make no mistake. Otherwise, Reggie would say "Its below $250 or $200 or $150". By saying its under $300 and mean $250 that doesn't make any sense. They would try to push a cheaper price point to show their technical prowess "We got this powerful machine and its only just under $xxx". Its $299 guys. Probably even in the $300+ range for Japan (poor bastards). By below, they mean cheaper by one penny. Only time they'll drop it lower for launch is if they get flamed to a crisp for having an expensive system that appears low tech compared to Xbox 360 or PS3. That was a non-issue when everyone thought it was sub $200. The Xbox 360 Premium will probably be $299 in the fall so Nintendo can't get away with a GC x 2 when there's much more powerful hardware for the same price.
 
The Experiment said:
The Revolution will be $299, make no mistake. Otherwise, Reggie would say "Its below $250 or $200 or $150".
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it might be bad pr to say that a new console will be too low. I think he said under $300 just because he didn't want to sound too cheap.
 
The Experiment said:
The under $300 comment upsets me because the machine is just a Gamecube x 2. I'm sure as fuck not going to pay $299 for something that costs Nintendo only $150-175.
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I'm not too good with math, but last I checked 150 to 175 are under $300. Under $300 does not mean it will strictly be $299.99, during the N64 days, Nintendo said the N64 would come out at under $250 and it did, $199.99.
 
The Experiment said:
Yeah but the Xbox was expensive to make and cost Microsoft $400+ at the beginning. The Game Cube was sold for a slight loss at the beginning (wasn't it $225 or so?) and quickly made a profit afterwards. I suppose Nintendo might have lost a little money when it dropped to $99. By the time Revolution comes out, the GC prices probably cost $60-70 at the very most.

It all depends on what the technology entails. For $299, it better come with at least two Revmotes and the Wifi better be included. The Revmotes better be packed to the gills with Bluetooth receivers and have Digital audio output (5.1 sound). Nintendo doesn't make cheap software so I have 100% confidence that the average price of software will be $59 for Nintendo games and maybe $49 for the "budget" titles. I wouldn't doubt Nintendo returns to the N64 days for Player's Choice and have the games cost $39.

The Revolution will be $299, make no mistake. Otherwise, Reggie would say "Its below $250 or $200 or $150". By saying its under $300 and mean $250 that doesn't make any sense. They would try to push a cheaper price point to show their technical prowess "We got this powerful machine and its only just under $xxx". Its $299 guys. Probably even in the $300+ range for Japan (poor bastards). By below, they mean cheaper by one penny. Only time they'll drop it lower for launch is if they get flamed to a crisp for having an expensive system that appears low tech compared to Xbox 360 or PS3. That was a non-issue when everyone thought it was sub $200. The Xbox 360 Premium will probably be $299 in the fall so Nintendo can't get away with a GC x 2 when there's much more powerful hardware for the same price.
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Uh they already said that the revolution will have WiFi out of the box.
 
koam said:
I'm not too good with math, but last I checked 150 to 175 are under $300. Under $300 does not mean it will strictly be $299.99, during the N64 days, Nintendo said the N64 would come out at under $250 and it did, $199.99.
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Nintendo dropped that price point because of increasing competition with the PlayStation.

I'm not content that its bad PR. Reggie rarely has talked with a foot in his mouth. Revolution had somewhat of an edge because of its low price point. With that gone, so is most of its appeal. If Sony prices the PS3 at $299, Nintendo will drop Revolution's price. I'm figuring they're basing the price of the system off of the PS3 and having it $50-100 cheaper than the PS3. So if PS3 is going to be $399, Revolution will be $299. Nintendo does care about competition so don't try to play the "Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about Sony" card because such card does not exist.
 
The Experiment said:
Nintendo dropped that price point because of increasing competition with the PlayStation.

I'm not content that its bad PR. Reggie rarely has talked with a foot in his mouth. Revolution had somewhat of an edge because of its low price point. With that gone, so is most of its appeal. If Sony prices the PS3 at $299, Nintendo will drop Revolution's price. I'm figuring they're basing the price of the system off of the PS3 and having it $50-100 cheaper than the PS3. So if PS3 is going to be $399, Revolution will be $299. Nintendo does care about competition so don't try to play the "Nintendo doesn't give a fuck about Sony" card because such card does not exist.
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gamecube's $99 pricepoint never really gave them the edge. It was good for the holidays, nothing more.
 
It's becoming increasingly difficult to pick revolution's price! I wonder how long till Matt @ IGN has something to say about his previous sources?

If they were wrong i'd like to know what else they were wrong about :)

Although i'm still inclined to be believe 250 or 200 simply because of the N64 launch... and because.. well - it's better to get people thinking about 300 and delivering a console significantly under that price... than to get people thinking about 150-200 and then disappoint them with a $300 console. This way they'll 'seem' cheaper in the public's eyes, despite not being the mystical 99 price point, if you know what i mean.
 
The Experiment said:
Yeah but the Xbox was expensive to make and cost Microsoft $400+ at the beginning. The Game Cube was sold for a slight loss at the beginning (wasn't it $225 or so?) and quickly made a profit afterwards. I suppose Nintendo might have lost a little money when it dropped to $99. By the time Revolution comes out, the GC prices probably cost $60-70 at the very most.

It all depends on what the technology entails. For $299, it better come with at least two Revmotes and the Wifi better be included. The Revmotes better be packed to the gills with Bluetooth receivers and have Digital audio output (5.1 sound). Nintendo doesn't make cheap software so I have 100% confidence that the average price of software will be $59 for Nintendo games and maybe $49 for the "budget" titles. I wouldn't doubt Nintendo returns to the N64 days for Player's Choice and have the games cost $39.

The Revolution will be $299, make no mistake. Otherwise, Reggie would say "Its below $250 or $200 or $150". By saying its under $300 and mean $250 that doesn't make any sense. They would try to push a cheaper price point to show their technical prowess "We got this powerful machine and its only just under $xxx". Its $299 guys. Probably even in the $300+ range for Japan (poor bastards). By below, they mean cheaper by one penny. Only time they'll drop it lower for launch is if they get flamed to a crisp for having an expensive system that appears low tech compared to Xbox 360 or PS3. That was a non-issue when everyone thought it was sub $200. The Xbox 360 Premium will probably be $299 in the fall so Nintendo can't get away with a GC x 2 when there's much more powerful hardware for the same price.
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Stop assuming that it is just a GC x 2. There will be more to it than that. And for the record, I think it'll be no more than $249. And I expect them to include that classic controller shell too.
 
I don't think game prices will go above $49.99 for Revolution. This is supposed to be one of the appeals of the system to make everything cheaper.

I'm interested in the Revolution, but $299.99 is about twice what I will spend on the system. It'll also have a tough time making headway against the Playstaton 3 and lower priced 360. I also think $249.99 is too high for the Revolution.

Of course none of this matters until we get pricing info at E3.
 
Nintendo will deservidly get crushed if they come in at 299. Weak technology and high price point don't ever match well. Besides it will be just a matter of time before Sony/MS see how good N's controller is and bring one out of their own.
 
Monk said:
Sadly it looks like a likely future. Other than the games MS has really screwed things up. It really does seem to be a dream cast 2.
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While I agree MSFT has fux0r3d their launch up completely with the lack of systems, they are not going to "fade away into oblivion next Christmas". I mean other than in a few of your dreams. You guys are too much. :lol
 
Listen saying "Under 300" doesn't mean the Revolution will launch at 299 or close to it. It could very well be an excellent PR move on their part. You set the bar low by suggesting the price of the console will be around 300 bucks (even if that's not explicitly what you said, people take away that impression, as this thread proves), and then when you unveil the console and it's pricepoint a few months down the line and it turns out to be something like 199 bucks everyone goes "HOLY SHIT WHAT A DEAL!!@ I TOTALLY THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LIK 300". Internet price hype has gotten out of hand (some people guessing the console will launch at 99 dollars, please), so this is their way of spinning things back in their direction so they don't get a "big whoop, we knew that" reaction come E3.
 
If Xbox 360 is Xbox times 2....that still puts it more powerful then Revolution (GCx2). And thats a year earlier technology. Sad.
 
Newzboyz99 said:
If Xbox 360 is Xbox times 2....that still puts it more powerful then Revolution (GCx2). And thats a year earlier technology. Sad.
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Yes, but if the gap is also about the same as GC and Xbox, I won't complain too much. :P
 
"If Xbox 360 is Xbox times 2....that still puts it more powerful then Revolution (GCx2). And thats a year earlier technology. Sad."

IMPOSTER. The real Newzboyz would never insult Nintendo.
 
Mrbob said:
Yeah I'm starting to get the feeling Revolution will be $299.99. We really don't know how much this technology Nintendo is implementing costs. This is the second time the under $300 comment is mentioned, and is a bit surprising. I always thought $199.99 would be a lock for the system.

Remember when a ton of people speculated Revolution may be $99 at launch?

Nintendo wouldn't price their system above the core system???

Speculated prices holiday 2006:

Xbox 360 core: $249.99
Xbox 360 premium: $349.99
PLAYSTATION 3: $399.99
Revolution: $299.99

????
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The price is shocking coming from you.
 
I'm certainly happy that the Gamecube outsold the Xbox 360 because of the excellent game lineup Nintendo has produced over the past 12 months.

I'd hate to think Nintendo doesn't have enough developers to supply but a handful of quality games every year until the last year when the system is prematurely dumped on third parties.
 
Mrbob said:
I don't think game prices will go above $49.99 for Revolution. This is supposed to be one of the appeals of the system to make everything cheaper.

I'm interested in the Revolution, but $299.99 is about twice what I will spend on the system. It'll also have a tough time making headway against the Playstaton 3 and lower priced 360. I also think $249.99 is too high for the Revolution.

Of course none of this matters until we get pricing info at E3.
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Or hardware info for that matter.
 
If they wanted to announce the price, they would have announced the price. Nintendo aren't the sort of company to signpost their pricing strategy months in advance.

It's likely to be quite a bit lower than $300, or he wouldn't have mentioned that figure at all.
 
Nash said:
It's likely to be quite a bit lower than $300, or he wouldn't have mentioned that figure at all.
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Bingo. They're not going to show their hand early. If anything, expect the price announcement right after Sony gives one for the PS3.
 
AndoCalrissian said:
I think it was Iwata that said Nintendo was researching every game genre to find out what works/is fun and that they were going to share it with 3rd parties. I have no doubt that there are more Mario Sports games in the works (and Pennant Chase Baseball for that matter), but I don't know if we'll see anything at launch. And if we saw one, I'd guess Tennis.
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Mario Tennis you mean?

I would be very surprised if NPCB wasn't released next season for the Rev.

The game was too far along and too publized for a total-Nintendo scrap. Besides, they have money invested in Baseball. Expect to see a quick Rev release.
 
A lot of people were confused by Pennant Chase was scrapped months before release, but after seeing the revolution controller, it seems like Nintendo will position this title as a major Revolution game, if not a luanch title.
 
littlewig said:
A lot of people were confused by Pennant Chase was scrapped months before release, but after seeing the revolution controller, it seems like Nintendo will position this title as a major Revolution game, if not a luanch title.
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I agree this game has been retooled for Rev, but a baseball game won't be out in Nov 06. Mar 07 or Apr 07.
 
bjork said:
"Also, we're working on new franchises"

This is the part I'm most curious about... they said this for the Gamecube too, and I don't recall any new franchises springing up.
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I can recall quite a few

Pikmin
Odama
Chibi Robot
Donkey KONGA
Giftpia
Kuru Kuru Kururin (GNA->GC)
Animal Crossing (outside Japan)
Doshin the Giant (outside Japan)
Cubivore (funded by Nintendo)
Geist
Batallion Wars
Wario Ware (GBA->GC)

And the unreleased Penant Chase

Youll note a common theme. Besides AC and Pikmin, they all flopped saleswise.


Of course, GBA and DS had its share of new games.
 
Dit you forget the most important 3D incarnation on the Gamecube?

METROID PRIME!!

(the metroid franchise excisted but the prime series is different from the older games)
 
[Nintex] said:
Dit you forget the most important 3D incarnation on the Gamecube?

METROID PRIME!!

(the metroid franchise excisted but the prime series is different from the older games)
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That can be bundled in with Mario Soccer and Donkey Kong Jungle Fever I think.

Oh, and add in Roll'O'Rama and Stage debut with the almost new franchises.
 
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